[SolarCross]

Indeed they do. So why have you played into their hands by choosing to have Brexit without previously sitting down and thinking it through? You really didn't know what it was you were asking for, did you...?

You are being wilfully stupid, try harder next time.

The Spanish will make a nuisance of themselves regardless of whether we are in the EU or out of it, so that is not even a consideration worth a moment's deliberation. At least out of the EU they can not be so sure that we will not settle up with them in a way they would regret...

There is no reason at all for British people to enslave our selves to the EU just for the vain hope the Spanish will be slightly less petulant and irritating.

Gibraltar is not even a complicated prospect for Brexit because it is a self-governing territory, they set their own taxes and economic regulations, such matters are not even up to the UK government. If they want to harmonise their customs regs with the EU in the hope of a fewer complications with Spanish crybabies they are free to do so. The only thing regarding Gibraltar that is the responsibility of Westminster is Defence and Foreign Policy and that will not change and does not need to.

Northern Ireland is more complicated but Gibraltar might be a model for solving it. Let the UK devolve more authority for economic regulations and taxes to the Northern Ireland local governors and they can choose for themselves if they want to harmonise with the UK or EU as they like. Let Northern Ireland be an Overseas Territory like Gibraltar, then apart from Defence and Foreign Policy Westminster is freed of any responsibility for whatever goes on there in terms of customs, border control and whatnot.

Simples.

[Presvias]

You've completely ignored every shred of evidence that I and no doubt, others have presented to you; and appear to almost..be talking at, rather than with us; all of us.

It ceases to be a multi way discussion when one person decides to ignore what everyone else says, and simply keeps asserting their points over and over.

I'm not trying to be rude, or start trouble (a ban is probably just round the corner for my belligerent prickishness anyway) but you might as well engage us, if you're gonna post on my thread.

[Potemkin]

You are being wilfully stupid, try harder next time.

The Spanish will make a nuisance of themselves regardless of whether we are in the EU or out of it, so that is not even a consideration worth a moment's deliberation. At least out of the EU they can not be so sure that we will not settle up with them in a way they would regret...

You like to rattle that sabre, don't you? But what if somebody calls your bluff some day?

There is no reason at all for British people to enslave our selves to the EU just for the vain hope the Spanish will be slightly less petulant and irritating.

Gibraltar is not even a complicated prospect for Brexit because it is a self-governing territory, they set their own taxes and economic regulations, such matters are not even up to the UK government. If they want to harmonise their customs regs with the EU in the hope of a fewer complications with Spanish crybabies they are free to do so. The only thing regarding Gibraltar that is the responsibility of Westminster is Defence and Foreign Policy and that will not change and does not need to.

There has to be a border between the UK and the EU somewhere, SC.

Northern Ireland is more complicated but Gibraltar might be a model for solving it. Let the UK devolve more authority for economic regulations and taxes to the Northern Ireland local governors and they can choose for themselves if they want to harmonise with the UK or EU as they like. Let Northern Ireland be an Overseas Territory like Gibraltar, then apart from Defence and Foreign Policy Westminster is freed of any responsibility for whatever goes on there in terms of customs, border control and whatnot.

Simples.

That would go down like a lead fucking balloon with the DUP. Make NI an Overseas fucking Territory? Oh really? Can you imagine what the leadership of the Ulster Unionists would say to that jolly wheeze of yours?

[SolarCross]

You like to rattle that sabre, don't you? But what if somebody calls your bluff some day?

Who is provoking who? I think it is a little bit presumptious to just assume Brits will just capitulate for no reason.

There has to be a border between the UK and the EU somewhere, SC.

Gibraltar is not in the UK. It is a British Overseas Territory.

That would go down like a lead fucking balloon with the DUP. Make NI an Overseas fucking Territory? Oh really? Can you imagine what the leadership of the Ulster Unionists would say to that jolly wheeze of yours?

Well don't call it that. Call it devolution, transferring more powers to Stormont or whatever. What gang of politicians would refuse more powers?

[Potemkin]

Who is provoking who? I think it is a little bit presumptious to just assume Brits will just capitulate for no reason.


Gibraltar is not in the UK. It is a British Overseas Territory.


Well don't call it that. Call it devolution, transferring more powers to Stormont or whatever. What gang of politicians would refuse more powers?

Spoken like a true taxi driver!



"You talkin' to me?"

[SolarCross]

Spoken like a true taxi driver!

Snob. Anyhoo I have checked out of the taxi trade now, doing other projects.

[fokker]

Gibraltar can be offered EU membership, similarly like Scotland if they decide to leave the UK after Brexit. For Gibraltar it would mean independent territory, not being part of Spain. That is out of question.

[Presvias]

^ Simplistic and untruthful analysis.

Moreno warns that Brexit endangers 2.4 billion in Andalusia
If there is a coveted character these days in Brussels, he is the chief negotiator of Brexit, the Frenchman Michel Barnier, who yesterday had a moment - an hour long the meeting - to meet with the president of the Andalusian government, Juanma Moreno, on his first visit official to the community capital. The date of this visit coincides with one of the most delicate moments of the process of leaving the United Kingdom from the EU and transitioning from the current community executive, whose term ends on the 31st.

It is not usual for this type of runion to be carried out with regional presidents. Proof of the importence of the Andalusian president's interview with the community leader is that after his meeting Barnier had a new appointment with the British delegation.

In addition to Barnier, Moreno met with the current Commissioner of Agriculture, Phil Hogan, who is expected to be responsible for Commerce in the next term and as such responsible for negotiations with the United States on tariffs, another problem that They talk the Andalusian economy.

An hour with Barnier
With Barnier, the Andalusian president spoke about the situation of the negotiations to avoid a Brexit without agreement and of the repercussions that the different options can have for the case of Gibraltar. As he explained to journalists after his meeting with the European negotiator, he is "perfectly informed" of the specific situation of the land border with the British colony and its repercussions for the Gibraltar countryside. As for the prospects of an agreement to avoid a traumatic break, Moreno said that Barnier complains about "constant volatility" in British politics, which does not allow for a reassuring forecast regarding Brexit, which in any case "will be a bad thing for the United Kingdom, bad for Gibraltar but also bad for the EU ”so after the separation has occurred“ we must work to rebuild what has broken in our relationship ”.

The Andalusian president handed over to the negotiator of Brexit in the EU the document of 122 measures that the Andalusian Government has prepared in anticipation of the repercussions that could have the rupture of the United Kingdom in the Andalusian economy. In Brussels, Moreno transferred to Bernier that some 2.4 billion euros are at stake, which is the approximate amount of trade from Andalusia to the United Kingdom and could be limited. The Minister of Economy, Rogelio Velasco, estimated between 500 and 1.2 billion the impact of the community break with the United Kingdom according to whether it is negotiated or occurs without agreement. Especially at the meeting it was about the impact on the Campo de Gibraltar since, according to the president, "there are ten thousand Andalusians who work daily in the British colony."

The Andalusian president has also transferred to Barnier the malaise of the Andalusian Government with the unilateral decision to break with the European Union and has shown his support to the negotiating team so that if Brexit finally occurs it is as orderly as possible.

«We will keep in touch so that there is fluidity of information between the Negotiating Commission and the Government of Andalusia. We are sure that Barnier is making a very clear and transparent negotiation and that is essential for EU citizens to know the degree to which the negotiations are, ”said the president.

"I have seen Barnier very sensitized to the situation in the European Union and with extensive knowledge of the issues affecting Andalusia and Spain," he added.

Moreno has assured that we are facing a critical week in the negotiations between the United Kingdom and the European Union, indicating that it is necessary to be prudent and hope that the final negotiations are as positive as possible for the interests of the EU, of Spain and from Andalusia.

Tariffs and United States
Regarding his meeting with Phil Hogan, who is still the Commissioner of Agriculture and will be coming soon from Commerce, Moreno was able to confirm that there will be European funds for the promotion of Andalusian agricultural products in the search for new markets, such as China, to compensate the harmful effects of Brexit and United States tariffs.

The Andalusian Government opts to study formulas that cushion the effect of the commercial war that the Trump Executive announces as of October 18 and to begin working on a "direct dialogue" with the US Administration to avoid new tariffs. Thus, he has been convinced that the European Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development will work "in a determined way" by knowing perfectly well a situation that is not good for all of Europe. There are funds related to agricultural promotion to which the Andalusian Government will benefit from expanding Andalusian products to new markets.

Moreno also asked Hogan to advocate for a more "simplified" future Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) and to maintain sufficient funds to support the Andalusian countryside.

In addition to the CAP, which is now in the process of negotiation, President Moreno has dealt with Hogan issues such as the execution of European funds in rural development. Andalusia had only executed 25% of the funds from the previous Andalusian Administration upon the arrival of the new Government. However, Moreno has pledged in Brussels that his Executive, within the framework of implementation of European funds that he has set in motion, will expedite "to the maximum" the process so as not to lose such aid.

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[Puffer Fish]

There must be some way for Gibraltar to remain under the governance of the UK while being in a separate trade zone from the UK.

A nations laws don't have to apply the same to all parts of that nation. But the UK has so much centralized control mentality that likely that thought didn't even occur to them.