“The permafrost is thawing so fast, we scientists can’t keep up” - Politics Forum.org | PoFo

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“Scientists estimate that the Earth’s Yedoma regions contain between 327 billion and 466 billion tons of carbon. Were it all released into the atmosphere, that would amount to more than half of all human-caused emissions from greenhouse gases and deforestation between 1750 and 2011."

Can you say hell on Earth?

Knew you could...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... e-siberia/
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late wrote:“Scientists estimate that the Earth’s Yedoma regions contain between 327 billion and 466 billion tons of carbon. Were it all released into the atmosphere, that would amount to more than half of all human-caused emissions from greenhouse gases and deforestation between 1750 and 2011."

What a silly load of disingenuous scaremongering. No such thing is even physically possible. Ask yourself how the carbon got there. Hello? When these areas are not frozen, they are bioactive carbon sinks.
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Isn't the methane emitted from the permafrost regions even a bigger problem? Recent reports also suggest that methane emissions from fracking in the US is far worse than the industry wants to admit. That's probably why Trump slashed regulations requiring monitoring of methane emissions from fracking wells.
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Truth To Power wrote:
What a silly load of disingenuous scaremongering. No such thing is even physically possible. Ask yourself how the carbon got there. Hello? When these areas are not frozen, they are bioactive carbon sinks.



"In the northern circumpolar region, permafrost contains 1700 billion tons of organic material equaling almost half of all organic material in all soils.[15] This pool was built up over thousands of years and is only slowly degraded under the cold conditions in the Arctic. The amount of carbon sequestered in permafrost is four times the carbon that has been released to the atmosphere due to human activities in modern time.[60] One manifestation of this is yedoma, which is an organic-rich (about 2% carbon by mass) Pleistocene-age loess permafrost with ice content of 50–90% by volume."

A buildup of carbon from the Ice Age, that covers many thousands of years is now being released.

IOW, they were carbon sinks.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permafrost
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The capitalism has also for this a solution solar panels get cheaper and cheaper, same counts for windenergy.


Electric cars will also get cheaper with new battery made of graphene.


The dumbest thing is alarmism, which manifests in EU by huge medling of the state in economy. Therefore is the EU the green lame duck.
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Political Interest wrote:What is the solution?

We keep hearing this but as Thunberg is saying no one is finding any solution.


Transition away from fossil fuels as rapidly as possible. The only thing that should slow us down is keeping people healthy by maintaining services.
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Political Interest wrote:
What is the solution?

We keep hearing this but as Thunberg is saying no one is finding any solution.



Actually, I could have told you this 20 years ago, when science reached consensus.

You start with an incrementing Carbon Tax, do R&D, set a schedule for improving and requiring efficiency standards, develop and deploy a Smart Grid.
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SaddamHuseinovic wrote:The capitalism has also for this a solution solar panels get cheaper and cheaper, same counts for windenergy.


Electric cars will also get cheaper with new battery made of graphene.


The dumbest thing is alarmism, which manifests in EU by huge medling of the state in economy. Therefore is the EU the green lame duck.


The blind faith in scientific miracles is ironic in climate change deniers who reject climate science in order to spread their conspiracy theories.

When your ship is on collision course with an iceberg, the intelligent thing to do is to change course. Hoping that the iceberg will have disappeared due to some miracle by the time of impact is what Lemmings do, but not people endowed with intelligence.

Capitalism is part of the problem not part of the solution. The invisible hand is to accumulate capital by turning nature into consumer goods. Leaving it to the private sector will increase emissions even with green technology.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:How does this relate to what I said?


this is the logical consequence, the people in Asia have no time to think about the climate they want to eat beaf and drive cars

Climate alarmism is just in Europe and a bit in North America popular. So you can forbid just in this regions fossil fuels, but then moves the capital and the production to Asia, later the consumption

Greta Thunberg reminds me on the leader of the Children Crusade, same hysteria and passion
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late wrote:A buildup of carbon from the Ice Age, that covers many thousands of years is now being released.

No it isn't. And even if it were, it would have a negligible effect on climate.
IOW, they were carbon sinks.

And once thawed, they become bioactive carbon sinks again.

Like I said: this Big Thaw nonsense is just silly scaremongering with no basis in empirical fact.
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Truth To Power wrote:
No it isn't.



Not what scientists say.

The Northwest Passage was frozen solid for millennia.. Now, suddenly, it's navigable. That is because the Arctic is warming faster than anywhere else on the planet.

SO... the permafrost isn't perma or frosty.

But it has started to burn.

Could you be slightly less hallucinatory?
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late wrote:Not what scientists say.

Scientists, or political hacks like Lyin' Michael Mann?
The Northwest Passage was frozen solid for millennia.. Now, suddenly, it's navigable. That is because the Arctic is warming faster than anywhere else on the planet.

False. It was frozen during the Little Ice Age due to low solar activity, but it is not known if it was open during the Medieval Warm Period, or other millennium-scale warm periods like the Holocene Optimum. The first recorded single-season transit of the Northwest Passage occurred in way back 1944, following the cyclical warming of the 1920s and 30s. Then it froze again due to the cyclical cooling of the 1950s-60s.
SO... the permafrost isn't perma or frosty.

Sure it is.
But it has started to burn.

Nonsense.
Could you be slightly less hallucinatory?

Right back atcha.
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