- 16 Oct 2019 20:43
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Depends on how it's implemented. I think it should left up to the local community to decide how their neighborhoods are policed and which problems are prioritized.
I think we need to go beyond just oversight and give local communities full fiscal and administrative control.
I think all patrol cops should be stripped of their firearms and tactical teams should be under the control of elected community councils where they can only be activated with direct council approval.
Police departments should not have internal affairs divisions, there should be a separate and independent organization that investigates police misconduct. There should also be a separate office independent of the DA that is solely responsible for prosecuting cops.
The problem is the police departments still control the video, local communities should be in control of the video.
Not nearly enough.
That would be a good start but we also need to abolish quotas and bullshit fees and fines.
I think just going back to the old style uniforms with shiny shoes and big hats and bowties would curb a lot of that urban commando shit.
Police unions have used their influence to establish unfair protections for police officers in their contracts with local, state and federal government and in statewide Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights. These provisions create one set of rules for police and another for civilians, and make it difficult for Police Chiefs or civilian oversight structures to punish police officers who are unfit to serve.
These provisions:
Remove barriers to effective misconduct investigations and civilian oversight
Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:
allow officers to wait 48 hours or more before being interrogated after an incident
prevent investigators from pursuing other cases of misconduct revealed during an investigation
prevent an officer's name or picture from being released to the public
prohibit civilians from having the power to discipline, subpoena or interrogate police officers
state that the Police Chief has the sole authority to discipline police officers
enable officers to appeal a disciplinary decision to a hearing board of other police officers
enable officers to use the contract grievance process to have an outside arbitrator reverse disciplinary decisions and reinstate officers who have committed misconduct
prevent an officer from being investigated for an incident that happened 100 or more days prior
allow an officer to choose not to take a lie detector test without being punished, require the civilian who is accusing that officer of misconduct to pass a lie detector first, or prevent the officer's test results from being considered as evidence of misconduct
Keep officers' disciplinary history accessible to police departments and the public
Remove contract provisions, local and state policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that allow police officers to:
expunge or destroy records of past misconduct (both sustained and unsustained) from their disciplinary file
prevent their disciplinary records from being released to the public via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request
Ensure financial accountability for officers and police departments that kill or seriously injure civilians
Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:
require officers to be given paid administrative leave or paid desk-duty during an investigation following a police shooting or other use of deadly force
prevent officers from receiving unpaid suspensions as discipline for misconduct or allow officers to use vacation or discretionary time to pay themselves while on suspension
allow officers to receive paid leave or paid desk-duty after being charged with a felony offense
https://www.joincampaignzero.org/contracts
blackjack21 wrote:1. Broken window policing works.
Depends on how it's implemented. I think it should left up to the local community to decide how their neighborhoods are policed and which problems are prioritized.
2. Community oversight is a good idea, and is supposed to be what democracy is about to begin with.
I think we need to go beyond just oversight and give local communities full fiscal and administrative control.
3. It's already limited, but it's possible to use more non-lethal force--although it's not always effective either.
I think all patrol cops should be stripped of their firearms and tactical teams should be under the control of elected community councils where they can only be activated with direct council approval.
4. This would work if combined with #6. We need the surveillance footage, because both perpetrators and police lie constantly.
Police departments should not have internal affairs divisions, there should be a separate and independent organization that investigates police misconduct. There should also be a separate office independent of the DA that is solely responsible for prosecuting cops.
6. This has been a great improvement, and something Obama should get credit for.
The problem is the police departments still control the video, local communities should be in control of the video.
7. Already lots of that.
Not nearly enough.
8. Eliminating civil asset forfeiture; and/or, eliminating sovereign immunity for its abuse would help.
That would be a good start but we also need to abolish quotas and bullshit fees and fines.
9. Yes, and that can go back to training. It wouldn't surprise me if this recent incident was military training overriding police training.
I think just going back to the old style uniforms with shiny shoes and big hats and bowties would curb a lot of that urban commando shit.
10. I'm not sure what that would do, but I'm mostly for eliminating government employee unions.
Police unions have used their influence to establish unfair protections for police officers in their contracts with local, state and federal government and in statewide Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights. These provisions create one set of rules for police and another for civilians, and make it difficult for Police Chiefs or civilian oversight structures to punish police officers who are unfit to serve.
These provisions:
Remove barriers to effective misconduct investigations and civilian oversight
Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:
allow officers to wait 48 hours or more before being interrogated after an incident
prevent investigators from pursuing other cases of misconduct revealed during an investigation
prevent an officer's name or picture from being released to the public
prohibit civilians from having the power to discipline, subpoena or interrogate police officers
state that the Police Chief has the sole authority to discipline police officers
enable officers to appeal a disciplinary decision to a hearing board of other police officers
enable officers to use the contract grievance process to have an outside arbitrator reverse disciplinary decisions and reinstate officers who have committed misconduct
prevent an officer from being investigated for an incident that happened 100 or more days prior
allow an officer to choose not to take a lie detector test without being punished, require the civilian who is accusing that officer of misconduct to pass a lie detector first, or prevent the officer's test results from being considered as evidence of misconduct
Keep officers' disciplinary history accessible to police departments and the public
Remove contract provisions, local and state policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that allow police officers to:
expunge or destroy records of past misconduct (both sustained and unsustained) from their disciplinary file
prevent their disciplinary records from being released to the public via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request
Ensure financial accountability for officers and police departments that kill or seriously injure civilians
Remove contract provisions, local policies, and provisions in state Law Enforcement Officers' Bills of Rights laws that:
require officers to be given paid administrative leave or paid desk-duty during an investigation following a police shooting or other use of deadly force
prevent officers from receiving unpaid suspensions as discipline for misconduct or allow officers to use vacation or discretionary time to pay themselves while on suspension
allow officers to receive paid leave or paid desk-duty after being charged with a felony offense
https://www.joincampaignzero.org/contracts
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