- 20 Oct 2019 19:40
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In simply don't recognise this interpretation.
The EU offered a backstop in the Irish sea and Theresa May negotiated a whole UK backstop to appease the DUP. Boris reverted back to the original offer and has left Northern Ireland in the customs Union.
The 2016 referendum to me is history, all be it interesting history. The people were asked if they wanted to leave and the government said it would implement their decision. Many read this as giving people the power but I see the opposite, it removed any further say on the matter as politicians could call on the 'will of the people' as their mandate. They could claim the need to nuke mainland Europe as being the only way to properly leave and you nor I could question because we had ticked a box saying it was for them to decide on our behalf.
So into brexit itself. I am in favour of the proposal by brexiteer Richard North.
http://www.eureferendum.com/Flexcit.aspx
He proposes a phased withdrawal, no need to leave customs Union or single market immediately. Leave the political body and work on each area over time. The idea that no deal solves problems or delivers what was promised is simply untrue, we would need to negotiate all the things we didn't before leaving regardless.
Labours policy is more in tune with this, remain in customs Union and single market, benefit from all the 100s of agreements already in place and regulatory alignment. Then once we have a customs agreement with the EU and other key trading partners, look to move away should we wish.
Will BoJo get a big majority? Maybe but I doubt it. They will lose seats in Scotland and to Lib Dems, then it becomes a trade off between labour and Tories with the brexit party being the fly in the ointment that could undermine it.
I'm not in favour of a second referendum but if I was the labour party and looking for support to stop a Tory version of brexit then I can see exactly why they would be in favour of it.
Nonsense wrote:
Well, no, it's not 'sensible' at all.
The 'backstop' was a device,meant to keep the U.K in the Customs Union, now that the new deal has eliminated that possibility, along comes Labour(again)with their irrational desire to wind back the clock, they have completely lost the plot & are totally disorientated by those deceitful 'plots'.
We had a referendum in 2016, that was democratic, it was final,that was, as the in-fashionista's of Labour might assert, 'confirmatory'(final..fineto), with no desire or necessity to rewind the clock at all.
The idea to 'close any 'loophole' at the end of the transition period' is pie-in-the-sky, because Labour will have lost a general election by a wide margin & BoJo may,just may, have a 'landslide' victory,not quite 'Thatcherite', but significant nonetheless by that time.
As with rewinding the clock,the last example is to attempt to shackle a future government with an outdated piece of fractious legislation that will simply be dismissed by a new Tory government with a decent working majority.
That scenario is down to CORBYN's Liberal tactic, of sitting on the fence, then, when under pressure by the 'BLAIRITE's' within his 'remain' party, he scrapes himself off the fence, only to fall flat on his face into the 'remain' camp,then, into political oblivion for himself & the party that he 'leads'.
In simply don't recognise this interpretation.
The EU offered a backstop in the Irish sea and Theresa May negotiated a whole UK backstop to appease the DUP. Boris reverted back to the original offer and has left Northern Ireland in the customs Union.
The 2016 referendum to me is history, all be it interesting history. The people were asked if they wanted to leave and the government said it would implement their decision. Many read this as giving people the power but I see the opposite, it removed any further say on the matter as politicians could call on the 'will of the people' as their mandate. They could claim the need to nuke mainland Europe as being the only way to properly leave and you nor I could question because we had ticked a box saying it was for them to decide on our behalf.
So into brexit itself. I am in favour of the proposal by brexiteer Richard North.
http://www.eureferendum.com/Flexcit.aspx
He proposes a phased withdrawal, no need to leave customs Union or single market immediately. Leave the political body and work on each area over time. The idea that no deal solves problems or delivers what was promised is simply untrue, we would need to negotiate all the things we didn't before leaving regardless.
Labours policy is more in tune with this, remain in customs Union and single market, benefit from all the 100s of agreements already in place and regulatory alignment. Then once we have a customs agreement with the EU and other key trading partners, look to move away should we wish.
Will BoJo get a big majority? Maybe but I doubt it. They will lose seats in Scotland and to Lib Dems, then it becomes a trade off between labour and Tories with the brexit party being the fly in the ointment that could undermine it.
I'm not in favour of a second referendum but if I was the labour party and looking for support to stop a Tory version of brexit then I can see exactly why they would be in favour of it.