This is a classic fight or flight situation for Republicans, and you can see them hesitate, and start to think about life after Trump.
Smoke 'em while you got 'em.
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Rancid wrote:As I've said, the issue isn't profit. Even if it's 100% verifiable that it's a loss for him, this should still not be done. The optics are bad.
It sets a bad precedent for future presidents, etc. etc.
the fact you guys can't see this verifies my theory that guys like you really want the USA to turn in Mexico.
oh the irony.
Rancid wrote:Is there difference between law & what is morally/ethically right?
Stormsmith wrote:Perhaps. Perhaps not. As I said earlier, Speaker Pelosi is clever. She knows what happened with President Nixon. Lather, rinse, repeat.
JohnRawls wrote: More than 50% of US population is for impeaching Trump and this number will inevitably grow so it will be a decision for the senate to block the impeachment or not.(Same as with same-sex marriage. Nobody was for it until the opinion of the public changed and then almost everyone was for it)
Stormsmith wrote:Most of them, I think, are frightened of being primaried.
Stormsmith wrote:Your president doesn't treat his adversaries with respect, does he?
blackjack21 wrote: Do you disagree?
Rancid wrote:So you can't in anyway conceive why it might be ethically wrong to host (hypothetically speaking now that we know it will not happen) something like the G7 at Trump property?
I'm saying you need to agree that it is wrong, but can you even understand why a valid argument could be made as to why it's ethically wrong?
blackjack21 wrote:If you have other concerns, what are they specifically?
jimjam wrote:The top American diplomat in Ukraine on Tuesday gave impeachment investigators a vivid and impassioned account of how multiple senior administration officials told him that President Trump blocked security aid to Ukraine and refused to meet the country’s leader until he agreed to publicly pledge to investigate Mr. Trump’s political rivals.
jimjam wrote:So not only was there a quid pro quo, but it had nothing to do with investigating actual corruption; Trump just wanted an investigation to be announced publicly to sow doubt about his likely opponent.
jimjam wrote:He used the powers of his office not to benefit the United States, but to advance his personal political fortunes. That's the definition of a high crime.
jimjam wrote:If this isn't impeachable, nothing is.
blackjack21 wrote:media fodder
jimjam wrote:Poor Donald. He's getting seriously outplayed.
Look how many Republicans lost seats in 2018. Is it that Democrats suddenly became popular? It's because many of them lied their asses off to the electorate about repealing ObamaCare. The establishment works across party lines. RomneyCare was supposed to pave the way for ObamaCare. People were supposed to like it. They wanted to run it for 10 years or so and then push for single payer. Yet, the Tea Party was not having it. They threw Republican leadership like Cantor out of office, not unlike AOC throwing out a Democratic party leadership candidate. That surprised the shit out of the establishment. Yet, the establishment still didn't listen. They bashed the Tea Party until the name "Tea Party" was gone, but the voters aren't gone. They aren't on the left with AOC and her ilk either. The middle is collapsing because the establishment has betrayed working and middle class voters, and the voters know it. The establishment's hold on power is tenuous.
Ukrainegate isn't simply about getting Trump out of power. It's about hanging on to power themselves by whatever means necessary, since it has become clear to them that they cannot win at the ballot box.
Tainari88 wrote:what is most likely to happen is that there will be serious fiscal and internal political consequences to a lack of ethics for many decades and there will be a serious decline in power for the USA.
Tainari88 wrote:The big bully nations can go to hell. They deserve it.
Rancid wrote:This pretty much hits it perfectly.
I agree, but the problem is, when one bully nation goes to hell, another quickly replaces it.
Tainari88 wrote:there will be a serious decline in power for the USA. The power vacuum will be filled with other actors and the world will continue turning with a multipolarity of powerful nations. The USA will go the way of many ex empires. Having to just be accepting of losing nationalistic primacy.
Tainari88 wrote:The USA will go the way of many ex empires. Having to just be accepting of losing nationalistic primacy.
Tainari88 wrote:I think the best thing is to be living correctly and be always improving oneself. To think you control what is happening in these places with abusive selfish people making bad decisions? Take care of your own life. That is true change.
jimjam wrote:This is rapidly happening. Also, i'm sure China will not waste any time after a year of insults and bullying by Obese Donald. And it seems the rest of the world is less than anxious to engage with a lunatic. They will largely sit back and watch.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia meeting in Sochi, Russia, on Tuesday
I have frequently drawn a parallel between the fall of the Roman Empire and the fall of the American Empire. There is an uncanny resemblance.
This is what I have done throughout my life. I have a good measure of control over my life but no control over mass insanity lorded over by a band of lunatics.
Tainari88 wrote: nothing corrupts more thoroughly than power and the state.
jimjam wrote:Sir John Dalberg-Acton is perhaps best known for the remark, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men...", which he made in a letter to an Anglican bishop.
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