JohnRawls wrote:This is true although it misses the point a bit. As I mentioned in Maduro thread that there is a problem with left leaders in South America. Most right wing leaders or centrists agree to follow the democratic process while the left does not. It's obviously not a 100 percent situation in all cases but when the left wins then centre or right steps aside or just finish their terms whatever it might be by law. While the left violates term limits, doesn't step aside when they are doing badly or loose elections. So what is the modern right/centre supposed to do?
In this sense Morales did a great and the right thing. As much shit as he will get, he was actually a pretty competent leader even until the end. He wasn't a zaelot of the left who doesn't compromise, doesn't admit mistakes and clings to power forever. The cheating is irrelevant honestly. It doesn't mean that he didn't do any mistakes though that made him unpopular.
You don't get it John Rawls. I am not surprised you don't get it.
Do you know how many poor people without an education, decent wages, exploitation, no welfare, no hope live in Latin America? A lot.
The history of Latin America is about colonialism and elites who sell out the natural resources to first world banks and powers and sellout their own nations in order to live well. They use blood and intimidation tactics in order to hold on to power.
The right and the center don't get any real opposition to their power from the ones running the show from OUTSIDE of Latin America. The hard LEFT gets the fury of the thing completely. Why? Because the hard LEFT in Latin America is the only political platform that is willing to fight hard for the working class. The issue then becomes can they survive the elites in their own nation? The super powerful elites in multinational corporations from the Imperial nations? And the military powers who many times are filled with the elite in a country or has many of their people embedded there?
It is not about the Left being power drunk psychos trying to hold on to power JohnRawls....it is about the many who profit from the misery of the humblest people in these nations because the reason they are wealthy is by making sure those people don't improve in life.
I happen to think that the dynamics are changing.
JohnRawls, what the issue is that many don't understand is that for you to be able to make something hard to do like real socialism that is humanist and not authoritarian in the world? Is that the people who oppose you have enough of a conscience to not use violence and intimidation to overtake popular leaders because the people will it.
No one really respects the realities that democracy is a fragile thing. And can be destroyed and to get it to function you got to realize that you have to stop believing that some are superior and others are inferior. If you hold on to that bullshit thing? You won't ever believe in democracy. Most people in the world are people who never got educations, never got high paying stable jobs, never got really any kind of real security. They place their faith in the socialists, the communists and the LEFT....because the right and the moderates never DO THE JOB of defending the interests of the lower classes. They never defend the interests of those people JohnRawls.
Do the job of making a good life in their own nations. Do the job of dealing with the underclass already!! Don't live off of them.
It is not about the moderates stepping down JohnRawls. It is about the right and the moderates forcing a change via ballot box for the LEFT. Because the LEFT are the ones who keep shouting about equality.
If equality is not possible? And you hate it? You will have another popular wave and another popular wave, etc and another, and it is all from the hard left. The rest of the political spectrum doesn't care. They don't.
Deal with that issue or you will have another socialist wave, and another one in 10, 20 or 30 years. It won't stop. Especially in Latin America.
You are even getting the socialists in the USA with AOC and Bernie....because? The middle liberals and the moderates are sellouts who again, don't respond to the ones who don't see movement or improvement in their life circumstances.
You would think everyone would learn something now. They don't.
This is a very long thing that will take time and constant back and forth til their is finally an acceptance that populism is about large groups of people being upset that things are not working for them in their own nations. And that the lack of will to serve a democratic paradigm and catering to small elites won't work for the future.