Negotiator wrote:Maduro and Fernandez already call this one a coup.
It's got some fingerprints of a coup--all the flag waving in the square is generally for media consumption.
Potemkin wrote:The election was legal, since the Bolivian Supreme Court abolished term limits before the election.
What makes you think a high court can strike down a provision of the constitution from which it gets its power? Court officers get bribed too. The left wants to abolish the Second Amendment in the US, but they can't because it is express. However, the court does read things into the constitution that are clearly not there like abortion and gay marriage.
Potemkin wrote:This constitutes a coup, in my opinion.
More or less. It's like the CIA trying to overthrow the president of the United States right now.
Rugoz wrote:You can call it a coup if you like, I don't care. When those in power blatantly violate the democratic order, it's up to everybody else to restore it by whatever means necessary. AFAIK Corbyn not only calls it a coup, he's supportive of Morales.
Corbyn is a communist. It's to be expected.
Tainari88 wrote:I think the whole thing with Evo Morales is about the liberals being upset that their models of neo-liberalism has had a populist backlash.
Well, it's clear Evo Morales was getting very fond of power and wanting to hang on to it for a bit too long. That's why Roosevelt overstaying his welcome was the impetus to formalize term limits for US presidents.
Tainari88 wrote:The liberal pro corporate people have a deep hatred of populist Leftism.
Do you find the timing interesting? With Nixon, Washington wanted to end the Vietnam war. With Clinton, they wanted bombing in Iraq and action against Al Qaeda. Trump's impeachment hearings are this week, and low and behold...
Heisenberg wrote:I'm sure it's purely coincidental that the coup happened just days after the Bolivian government cancelled a deal with a German lithium mining corporation because the local indigenous population wasn't benefiting enough from it.
It's also very reassuring that various dead-eyed rogues in the Trump administration have been on hand to confirm that it definitely wasn't a coup and that actually, a right-wing military junta is the most democratic thing that can happen.
Ibid. Notice that Trump is under a bit of pressure this week? Nothing he can't handle, but while he's distracted the CIA might be playing games.
Tainari88 wrote:Do the job of dealing with the underclass already!! Don't live off of them.
Much of the underclass are not exploited. This is not the 19th Century. In many cases, underclass people have no work. It's not that they have too much work and horrible pay.
JohnRawls wrote:But the Republicans did not repeal it and democracy prevailed. ( They had majority literally everywhere ).
Or as Tainari88 might put it, they sold out the people who put them in office--lying for 6 years straight holding repeal after repeal only to reveal their true colors when they finally had the power to repeal.
JohnRawls wrote:Chavesez first term was a success for example.
If you're not fond of democracy. Chavez was able to appear successful, because oil prices bottomed out and started to rise. By the time they hit $147, he was able to dole out all sorts of politcal patronage to his cronies. When oil prices collapsed, so did PDVSA. It was so bad that Venezuela began importing gasoline.
JohnRawls wrote:Basically Europe proves that socialist ideas can live and thrive within a liberal capitalist democracy.
It's a host and parasite system. Full socialism basically destroys prosperity though.