Atlantis wrote:It's also hard to understand why you think that Kim Jong Un and Idi Amin are socialists.
Uh huh. Well how about Erich Honecker? It's hard to see why socialists think that every prominent politician who purports to be a socialist isn't really a socialist? How about Fidel or Raul Castro?
Atlantis wrote:I think you use the term socialism as a straw man for everything you don't like, irrespective of what socialism means.
I don't care for basketball, but I don't think it is socialist. As it is, the main government types out there today are liberal democracy and socialism, with monarchy, despotism and Islamic governments fairly distant seconds. Liberal democracy has been on a tear since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Atlantis wrote:Why Americans are so obsessed with socialism is a mystery.
Generally we're not, but we don't want it on our shores.
Atlantis wrote:I can only assume...
He he. You sound like Sondland testifying to the House Intelligence committee.
Atlantis wrote:...a greedy and violent people that is founded on genocide
By that, I assume you mean Europeans, right?
Atlantis wrote:Yankee imperialism is the curse of the world.
Stop trading with us then.
Atlantis wrote:You haven't got any argument regarding the Ukraine affair.
I'm not making the accusations against Trump. I don't need an argument. The burden of proof isn't on me.
Atlantis wrote:That's why you engage in character assassinations of the witnesses and in technical tricks to divert from the crime. The first hand testimony in the words of Donald Trump is clear from the transcript of his phone call. There is no doubt about it. All other witnesses have consistently corroborated this.
I'm simply pointing out that except for Vindman and Williams, who were actually on the call, all of the other "witnesses" did not witness anything. Except for Sondland, none of them had ever even spoken with the POTUS. As the testimony revealed, many of them got their ideas about the call from Sondland who testified that these were his presumptions and that nobody on the entire planet had told him that this was the case. Sondland essentially kept amending (changing) his testimony.
As for "the crime," no crime has been charged and nothing meets the basic requirements of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure or the Federal Rules of Evidence.
Atlantis wrote:Trump is asking a foreign leader to publicly smear his political rival on CNN in exchange for US support.
Cite the relevant section of the transcript where it says this. I didn't see it in there at all. Ask Zelenksy. He will tell you that nobody told him to do that. What you will find is that some assumptions were made and spread as office gossip. The POTUS never told anyone to do such a thing.
Atlantis wrote:Instead of addressing the facts, the always Trumpers have launched a massive campaign of witness intimidation and character assassination.
Facts are established in a trial by admissible evidence. Witnesses in US law are subject to cross examination.
Atlantis wrote:You are making silly comparisons about a legal quid pro quo which has nothing to do with the crime committed by Trump.
Trump has yet to be charged with a crime.
Atlantis wrote:Instead of contesting the crime, the Republicans commit another crime by trying to violate the right to anonymity of the whistle blower.
The whistleblower has no right of anonymity.
Atlantis wrote:The report of the whistle blower has been confirmed by the inquiry and there is no purpose in exposing his identity other than to destroy the person to discourage future whistle blowers.
Hearsay confirming hearsay is still hearsay. It's not admissible as evidence by people who were not on the call over the superior evidence of the transcript. It's not probative.
Atlantis wrote:Yankee imperialism is the curse of the world. ...
The Republicans willfully endanger the security of the nation by trying to expose intelligence details that are expressly excluded from the investigation.
So you are worried that the Republicans are going to endanger the security of the curse of the world? Is that what you would have me believe?
Atlantis wrote: The Republicans keep on harping about Russian hoaxes and the like that have nothing to do with the investigation.
The DoJ is conducting its own investigation, which you will be hearing a lot about soon.
Atlantis wrote:Instead of trying to bring light into the inquiry so the nation can move on, the Republicans are stone walling to prevent key witnesses and relevant documents to get to the inquiry.
Anyone who watched the hearings could see plainly that the only stonewalling came from Schiff. Trump's poll numbers have gone up as a result of these hearings.
Atlantis wrote:He is out to destroy the bloody US of A, which is fine by me
Uh huh... So why are you so worried about it?
Atlantis wrote:but he is also out to destroy democracy, the rule of law, human rights and this planet, which is not fine by me.
And you defend socialism, huh?
late wrote:Way to miss the obvious, the Republicans in the hearing were trying to do what Trump wanted.
late wrote:(Recently released Mueller documents) show that Trump’s Ukraine conspiracy theory appears to have been propagated by two top aides who were central figures in the special counsel’s investigation: Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn.
It has also been reported in various political rags and newspapers--Politico, et. al.
late wrote:Mueller’s investigators concluded that Kilimnik, Manafort’s associate in Ukraine, had ongoing ties to Russian intelligence during this whole period.
Uh huh. So?
late wrote:IOW, Putin is still leading Trump around by the nose.
So Putin wanted Trump to approve the delivery of Javelin missiles to Ukraine? That seems apocryphal to me.
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