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How many times in the last couple of centuries have the rules of war worked? By worked I mean that the losers accepted they'd been beaten fair and square. I suspect the answer is zero.
#15052181
late wrote:1) That's irrelevant.

2) " The president has legal authority to intervene in these matters, but his misguided actions risk not only undermining the authority of his commanders but also eroding the honor and integrity of the U.S. armed forces. The Spencer/Esper soap opera may be at the forefront of the news cycle, but the real story is the corruption of military good order and discipline."

"Many—perhaps including the president—may consider the crime for which Gallagher was convicted, of posing for photos with a dead enemy, quite trivial. But discipline in war means following rules. These rules are part of U.S. and international law—in fact, international law that the U.S. was the first to codify—and central to the legitimate use of national military power. This law vests warfighters like Gallagher with immense lethal power, but this power is not unlimited. No violation of these rules is ever trivial, and history is replete with examples of how such misconduct festered into a culture of ill-discipline..."

You don't seem to understand the military. I spent 20 years in the military and disciplined the soldiers under me, sometimes even with some sort of personal punishment, without once resorting to the UCMJ judicial system to administer punishment for me. The point is that the reduction in rank was excessive punishment and President Trump, the Commander-in-Chief, remedied this unjustified action against the service member by ordering his rank be returned to him.

Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher is the son of a West Point graduate and career Army officer. Edward Gallagher enlisted in the Navy as a medic in 1999 and deployed to Iraq attached to a Marine infantry unit. He became one of the few Navy medics ever to complete the Marines’ demanding scout sniper school. He graduated from the Navy’s punishing Basic Underwater Demolition course in 2005 and joined the SEALs, the most elite commando force in the Navy. Since then, he has deployed to combat zones with the SEALs five times, rising to become a special operations chief, as SEAL chief petty officers are known. Chief Gallagher was named the top platoon leader in SEAL Team 7 and has been awarded several Bronze Stars for valor in actions under fire in Iraq and Afghanistan. The chief came to be widely known among the SEALs as a battle-wise veteran.

The chief appeared before a military jury of five Marines and two sailors in a two-week trial that started in late June and was marred by accusations of prosecutorial misconduct and a witness who changed his story on the stand. The chief was convicted of one relatively minor charge — posing for inappropriate photos with the dead captive — and sentenced to four months’ imprisonment, time he had already served before trial. The jury also ordered that the chief be demoted one rank to petty officer first class, a step that became a point of contention.

After Chief Gallagher had his rank restored, he thanked President Trump on Instagram, writing, “I truly believe that we are blessed as a Nation to have a Commander-in-Chief that stands up for our warfighters.”
#15052484
late wrote:I didn't write that.

The person who did write that is a law prof who has expertise in military law.

He's the guy you are calling ignorant.

Can I sell you a bridge?

You seem to believe that crap, because you repeated it. He must be one of those radical left-wing law professors that has Trump derangement syndrome.
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Hindsite wrote:
You seem to believe that crap, because you repeated it. He must be one of those radical left-wing law professors that has Trump derangement syndrome.



"Geoffrey S. Corn is a Professor of Law at South Texas College of Law Houston in Houston, Texas, and Distinguished Fellow of the Gemunder Center for Defense and Strategy. Prior to joining the South Texas College of Law Houston faculty in 2005, Professor Corn served in the U.S. Army for 21 years as an officer, and a final year as s civilian legal advisor, retiring in the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. Professor Corn’s teaching and scholarship focuses on the law of armed conflict, national security law, criminal law and procedure, and prosecutorial ethics. He has appeared an expert witness at the Military Commission in Guantanamo, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, and in federal court. He is the lead author of The Law of Armed Conflict: An Operational Perspective, and The Laws of War and the War on Terror, and National Security Law and Policy: a Student Treatise."
#15052490
late wrote:"Geoffrey S. Corn is a Professor of Law at South Texas College of Law Houston in Houston, Texas, and Distinguished Fellow of the Gemunder Center for Defense and Strategy. Prior to joining the South Texas College of Law Houston faculty in 2005, Professor Corn served in the U.S. Army for 21 years as an officer, and a final year as s civilian legal advisor, retiring in the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. Professor Corn’s teaching and scholarship focuses on the law of armed conflict, national security law, criminal law and procedure, and prosecutorial ethics. He has appeared an expert witness at the Military Commission in Guantanamo, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, and in federal court. He is the lead author of The Law of Armed Conflict: An Operational Perspective, and The Laws of War and the War on Terror, and National Security Law and Policy: a Student Treatise."

Maybe he just made a mistake due to his Trump derangement syndrome. :lol:
#15052640
late wrote:His bio suggests he knows this stuff cold. While you are throwing poo hoping it will stick.

Well, he was fired by the Defense Secretary, wasn't he?

Esper explains why Navy secretary was fired over double-talk in SEAL trident controversy
November 25, 2019

After President Donald Trump announced Nov. 15 that he would restore the chief petty officer rank of a SEAL accused of war crimes earlier this year, senior Pentagon leadership agreed that they would convene a board of Navy chiefs to decide whether Chief Special Warfare Operator Eddie Gallagher would get to keep his coveted trident qualification pin that signifies his official status as a SEAL as he prepared for retirement later this month.

But unbeknownst to Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley, Esper told reporters at the Pentagon on Monday, Navy Secretary Richard Spencer had gone behind their backs to broker a deal with the White House that would see Gallagher retire with his SEAL trident pin.

That was Spencer’s downfall, Esper said, noting that Spencer contradicted his public statements and his agreement with senior officials.

“Once we agree on a position, we stick to it and support it, both in private and public,” Esper said. “If you don’t like that position, then simply resign. Otherwise, implement it as if you would implement any order.”

Contrary to some media reports, Esper said, Spencer was not fired because he refused to follow a White House order to protect Gallagher’s trident. Spencer was fired, Esper said, because he agreed with senior defense officials to let the process play out, then circumnavigated his chain of command to appeal to the president’s preferred outcome.

Esper and Milley learned of the discussions as they left the White House on Friday, Esper said, when a senior White House official pulled them aside.

“This proposal was completely contrary to what we agreed to and contrary to Secretary Spencer’s public position,” Esper said.

Esper said he spoke to Trump on Saturday and Sunday, during which he got the president’s support to fire Spencer, and received the direct order to restore Gallagher’s trident.

Esper’s statements contradicted a resignation letter signed by Spencer and released late Sunday night.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... ntroversy/
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late wrote:"Geoffrey S. Corn is a Professor of Law at South Texas College of Law Houston in Houston, Texas, and Distinguished Fellow of the Gemunder Center for Defense and Strategy. Prior to joining the South Texas College of Law Houston faculty in 2005, Professor Corn served in the U.S. Army for 21 years as an officer, and a final year as s civilian legal advisor, retiring in the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. Professor Corn’s teaching and scholarship focuses on the law of armed conflict, national security law, criminal law and procedure, and prosecutorial ethics. He has appeared an expert witness at the Military Commission in Guantanamo, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, and in federal court. He is the lead author of The Law of Armed Conflict: An Operational Perspective, and The Laws of War and the War on Terror, and National Security Law and Policy: a Student Treatise."

Donald J. Trump is president of the United States.

late wrote:His bio suggests he knows this stuff cold. While you are throwing poo hoping it will stick.

So he knows that Donald J. Trump is the president of the United States of America, and the Commander in Chief of its armed forces.
#15052881
Blackjack's definition of genius: Pardoning a man who other SEALs, people whose specific job is to commit warcrimes, thought was such a psycho that they fucked with his rifle sights to keep him from needlessly killing civilians.

All for the purpose of: Getting people who showed up to a Trump rally specifically to cheer for him to cheer for him.

Blackjack is a rational thinker who is definitely not living his white boomer aggrievement fantasies through a loud, angry man who hates the same people he does (everyone). Also lmbo @ the guy who has dropped the brand name of his standing desk several times cheering Trump for really giving it to people who work in air conditioned buildings.
#15052983
SpecialOlympian wrote:Blackjack's definition of genius: Pardoning a man who other SEALs, people whose specific job is to commit warcrimes, thought was such a psycho that they fucked with his rifle sights to keep him from needlessly killing civilians.

All for the purpose of: Getting people who showed up to a Trump rally specifically to cheer for him to cheer for him.

Blackjack is a rational thinker who is definitely not living his white boomer aggrievement fantasies through a loud, angry man who hates the same people he does (everyone). Also lmbo @ the guy who has dropped the brand name of his standing desk several times cheering Trump for really giving it to people who work in air conditioned buildings.

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