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By BigSteve
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Potemkin wrote:So you want to punish people for "inappropriate political behaviour"? And this differs from the liberals' enforcement of 'political correctness'... how? :eh:


I don't want to punish anyone.

I do believe, however, that the HFP can do what they want with their production.

Do you have a problem with that?
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By BigSteve
#15053690
Drlee wrote:This thread was interesting and I really tried to make it about politics but it just won't wash. The movie had the highest number of nominations of any this year. : Best Picture, Drama, Best Director for Martin Scorsese, Best Screenplay for Steven Zaillian and Best Supporting Actor for Al Pacino and Joe Pesci. So clearly the movie was not "completely snubbed".


And I never once suggested it was.

Until reading the comments of naysayers here, everything I've heard and read about DeNiro's performance has been overwhelmingly positive...

I guess I was left to conclude that there is nothing here. DiNero's performance was good but his was a depressing role.


And if he played it well, which by almost all accounts he did, it stands to reason he'd have gotten a nomination. Rolling Stone called his performance "monumental".

I just find it interesting that Pacino and Pesci, who both keep their politics to themselves, got nominations, but the guy who made an asinine spectacle of himself at the Tony's gets panned...

He had been, by the way, nominated for Golden Globes 20 times before so there seems to be no reluctance to nominate him when he gets it right.


You know, sometimes I can't wait to see what sort of absurdities you're going to belch up when you don't know what you're talking about.

He's been nominated nine times and has won once. He's also received the Cecil B. DeMille Award (and well deserved) so, technically, he has two Golden Globe Awards.

Of course, I'm all ears if you care to educate us on what those 20 nominations were for...
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By Red_Army
#15053694
@BigSteve how can you have an opinion on whether he was snubbed without seeing the movie? You are literally looking for shit to complain about because like all conservatives you are a baby who only consumes media for babies.
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By BigSteve
#15053696
Red_Army wrote:@BigSteve how can you have an opinion on whether he was snubbed without seeing the movie? You are literally looking for shit to complain about because like all conservatives you are a baby who only consumes media for babies.


Oh, I'm not complaining at all.

Before I see a movie, I like to read and listen to reviews. If the reviews are poor, I probably won't go see it. If reviews are favorable, I will.

In this case, every review I've read about DeNiro's performance has been stellar. All of the news magazine shows are tripping over themselves lauding his performance. I don't think it's much of a stretch for one to put some stock in these opinions, especially considering the caliber of he actor being discussed.

Your childish, ignorant name-calling notwithstanding, the lack of a nomination for DeNiro is getting a lot of attention, not only from conservatives but from liberals who are offended and butt-hurt that he didn't get one...
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By Potemkin
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BigSteve wrote:I don't want to punish anyone.

I do believe, however, that the HFP can do what they want with their production.

Do you have a problem with that?

You expressed your approval of the fact that DeNiro had supposedly been 'snubbed' for his outspoken political views. I know that you approve of it because I specifically asked you. So, in fact, you do approve of the fact that DeNiro was supposedly 'punished' for his "inappropriate" political comments, which implies that you would want to do it yourself, were you in a position to do so.
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By Tainari88
#15053725
Potemkin wrote:You expressed your approval of the fact that DeNiro had supposedly been 'snubbed' for his outspoken political views. I know that you approve of it because I specifically asked you. So, in fact, you do approve of the fact that DeNiro was supposedly 'punished' for his "inappropriate" political comments, which implies that you would want to do it yourself, were you in a position to do so.


Potemkin BS is a total hypocrite. Nothing left to say. :lol:
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By Tainari88
#15053728
Joe Pesci is a conservative.

Your post is a shining example of how you like to pretend to be educated when, in fact, you're not.

Educate yourself if you expect to be taken seriously...


I don't care one iota about your opinion BigSteve. You already admitted your education background here. It doesn't favor you in the least.

You are into political correctness if it favors you but it if it doesn't? You love it. You are a partisan man with no credibility and your opinions are of extreme lack of efforts.

Nothing left to say. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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By Tainari88
#15053730
Red_Army wrote:@BigSteve how can you have an opinion on whether he was snubbed without seeing the movie? You are literally looking for shit to complain about because like all conservatives you are a baby who only consumes media for babies.


Because he bases his shallow views on what others say and never bothers to read the book, see the film or series, or read the original terminology. He only 'belches up' processed propaganda because he doesn't know what it means to do something that is not about opinions without working. Perezoso en todo.
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By Tainari88
#15053731
blackjack21 wrote:Maybe he's more convincing as a <blank> than a <blank>. (use your imagination to substitute "Italian" and "Irishman", so we don't offend the snowflakes)


Leftists don't have a strong sense of themselves and are so given to envy that they are simply good at imitating others. Whereas, conservatives have a much stronger sense of themselves.


I thought he was just great in Dirty Grandpa.



Meet the Parents was super awesome too. Some of his best work!




John Wayne was pretty conservative. A friend of mine grew up in the same neighborhood with his kids. She has a lot of stories about him.



I do think he is more convincing as an Italian rather than as an Irishman. I like his intensity. He is great at that. He is not my all time favorite actor.

@blackjack21 said:

Leftists don't have a strong sense of themselves and are so given to envy that they are simply good at imitating others. Whereas, conservatives have a much stronger sense of themselves.




No, absolutely unequivocally untrue this statement BJ. If you take the greatest artists in all the genres of all times? It is overwhelmingly left. Without much variation. They all bend LEFT.

There are artists who are very aware of avoiding controversy in general and they are usually artists who are shy in private life and feel uncomfortable talking openly about religion, politics or anything that is seen as controversial. But the ones who are extremely original thinkers, and have vivid imaginations are generally very very Left.

Very unconventional people in general. What should be examined is how many of the great musicians, artists and dancers, writers, directors, painters, etc in all the art forms get ripped off by corporate business sharks who have zero artistic talents and all they know is how to rip off people who are creative by nature, something they themselves lack.

No, you should realize that the Right Wingers don't really have much in terms of creative super powers. Lol. They are too busy defending the establishment and going along with what is convenient and being sellouts and idiots. For me the liberals also are like that. That is why both sides of that establishment machine is awful. Nothing original or creative for solutions. It is all selfish sellout stuff without a sense of imagination or dedication to change.

Check out this list of the greatest painters of all time?

Within their own historical context? Which one was a conservative and pro establishment? Which one BJ?

I can eliminate two of the super famous ones for you? Picasso and Da Vinci. Picasso was a declared hardcore Communist Party member. The other one DaVinci was not exactly a practicing pious Roman Catholic and was highly controversial. Nothing conservative about DaVinci. Hee hee.

https://www.biographyonline.net/artists ... nters.html
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By BigSteve
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Tainari88 wrote:I don't care one iota about your opinion BigSteve. You already admitted your education background here. It doesn't favor you in the least.


Another lib who can't admit she's wrong.

You said Pesci's a liberal. He's not. He's conservative.

You wear your failure well...

You are into political correctness if it favors you but it if it doesn't? You love it. You are a partisan man with no credibility and your opinions are of extreme lack of efforts.


Your conmtinued attacks on me are proof that you have nothing intelligent to say...

Nothing left to say. :lol: :lol: :lol:


That's what you said in your last post, but here you are, still flappin' your pie-hole...
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By Tainari88
#15053750
BigSteve wrote:Another lib who can't admit she's wrong.

You said Pesci's a liberal. He's not. He's conservative.

You wear your failure well...



Your conmtinued attacks on me are proof that you have nothing intelligent to say...



That's what you said in your last post, but here you are, still flappin' your pie-hole...


I am not a liberal. But you can't tell the difference between politics. It is a sign of lack of education. Doesn't surprise me.

Here you are still being a rude man without any kind of substance. I am not surprised. Such a bore.... ;)


As for Joe Pesci he starred and came out of retirement to feature in Robert DeNiro's directorial film. They are very close friends. It is logical to think he is not that married to conservative thought. Lol. You might think he does. But what you talk is worthless. You don't even watch a film before having opinions. For me that is ignorant behavior in the extreme.

It goes with your mentality. The End.

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By BigSteve
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Tainari88 wrote:As for Joe Pesci he starred and came out of retirement to feature in Robert DeNiro's directorial film. They are very close friends. It is logical to think he is not that married to conservative thought.


One of my best friends is a gay man who's so liberal he makes Ru Paul look like Richard Nixon. He's actually one of the few people in this world who I know I can count on, every time, all the time. Our friendship is not in the least bit dictated by our political ideologies.

It's stupid of you to presume that Peschi's and DeNiro's is...

Lol. You might think he does. But what you talk is worthless. You don't even watch a film before having opinions. For me that is ignorant behavior in the extreme.


If I wanted to comment on the film, I'd certainly watch it first. But I'm not. I'm commenting on the Golden Globe nominations it received and glaring omission of one whic, frankly, many people are surprised by. We could liken it to a race at a swim meet where Michael Phelps is competing. If Phelps comes in second, a person can be surprised at that without having actually watched the race.

Continuing to suggest that one can't comment on the nature of the nominee omission because one hasn't seen the film is stupid. I'm surprised whenever DeNiro loses; he's a great actor. But, knowing what I've been told by others who would have a much better idea than you or I, this omission could very well be due in part to his is inability to curtail his emotional outbursts...

It goes with your mentality. The End.


You keep saying that, but you keep running your mouth.

Your obsession with me is something you should probably seek professional help with. Seriously, it's an unhealthy display on your part...
By Rugoz
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Red_Army wrote:@Rugoz I don't think you're supposed to feel bad for De Niro at all. I think you're supposed to see him wallow in his loneliness for the amoral fucked up shit he did his entire life. He died with no one, alone in a hospital where no one even knew the shit he "died for". He's the boomer Trump evangelical who will die alone without their family at Thanksgiving except all they did was make stupid facebook posts about how Trump is fighting for the bible.

It's a good movie - nowhere close to Scorcese's best, but it's not the anti-feminist screed that moron #resistance libs make it out to be.


Frank's loneliness is meaningless without knowing what he lost. We don't know his family at all. We know his daughter liked Jimmy and used to stare at him but that's as deep as it gets.

Also, Pacino >>>>> De Niro.
By blackjack21
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Tainari88 wrote:No, absolutely unequivocally untrue this statement BJ. If you take the greatest artists in all the genres of all times? It is overwhelmingly left. Without much variation. They all bend LEFT.

They are all strong individuals. Leftists like being part of a collective. Artists have to be separate from the collective, more often misfits or oddballs with a keen insight. That's why they are often from outlier backgrounds--extremely rich, extremely poor, homosexual, etc.

Tainari88 wrote:What should be examined is how many of the great musicians, artists and dancers, writers, directors, painters, etc in all the art forms get ripped off by corporate business sharks who have zero artistic talents and all they know is how to rip off people who are creative by nature, something they themselves lack.

I'm sure there are people here who will point out a greatly overrepresented ethnicity involved in the financial aspects of the creative arts.

Tainari88 wrote:Check out this list of the greatest painters of all time?

Within their own historical context? Which one was a conservative and pro establishment? Which one BJ?

You're going to call Da Vinci a communist? Most of the great artists are known for their establishmentarianism. Da Vinci? The Last Supper. Michelangelo? The Sistine Chapel. Raphael? The School of Athens, The Parnassus. You can practically say that many were dependent on the establishment, even the revolutionary types. Jacques Louis David for example. He painted the Oath of the Horatii:

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It's not exactly a left wing painting. He got involved in left wing politics, because his livelihood depended on state patronage. He was a bit of an art totalitarian himself during the French Revolution and was imprisoned by Robespierre, but then went on to back Napolean--who was revolutionary, but not exactly a leftist.

Rembrandt was from a wealthy family too. Hell, many of the great painters depended heavily on the patronage of the wealthy.

Oh, I get it. Anyone who has emotions of love is a good person that Erich Fromm would like, and therefore would be a socialist. Right?
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By Tainari88
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By Tainari88
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blackjack21 wrote:They are all strong individuals. Leftists like being part of a collective. Artists have to be separate from the collective, more often misfits or oddballs with a keen insight. That's why they are often from outlier backgrounds--extremely rich, extremely poor, homosexual, etc.


Oh Relampaguito, to think that individuals grow up to be who they are without a social context at all? That is not accurate in the least. What changes in the world over time? The answer is everything. If you realize you need a change? Is that conservative? Lol. No, Senor Blackjack.....what defines creative people is a need to express themselves and all people who are artistic being labeled as oddball is not accurate. People are complex. But their politics tend to align with if they believe that change is part of life and living or if they keep on holding on to old concepts and old structures and power relationships based on fear. Fear of change. And conservatives are a fear based political culture. There is no doubt that is the core of that side of politics. Right wing conservative=fear of change. Fear of differences. Fear. Period. All of us live within a social context and what are politics but a way of viewing the world and responding in a way that is shared with many others? Just because one is unconventional doesn't make people anti social or just because one is eccentric BJ doesn't make one any one single thing. I think you fail to grasp many subtleties about human creative stuff....lol. You do that with me all the time.




I'm sure there are people here who will point out a greatly overrepresented ethnicity involved in the financial aspects of the creative arts.



What Jewish accountants, merchants, bankers? Lol. Jews are also great artists, scientists, actors, and many were and are extremely poor and some are rich, and some are great singers, and dancers, others are not, and so on. Variation. The freedom to be human BJ. To be who one is and not allow labels to define you.

You're going to call Da Vinci a communist? Most of the great artists are known for their establishmentarianism. Da Vinci? The Last Supper. Michelangelo? The Sistine Chapel. Raphael? The School of Athens, The Parnassus. You can practically say that many were dependent on the establishment, even the revolutionary types. Jacques Louis David for example. He painted the Oath of the Horatii:


Communism wasn't even invented in DaVinci's time period in history. But he was a controversial man. He lived in a period of time where you had to seek patronage from very wealthy individuals. Or you would not get to work on your projects. He did not agree with many of his colleagues at the time about art, science or many things.

Da Vinci was watched closely for heresy. Even the Spanish Inquisition wound up losing a power struggle or two against the other power players in their time periods BJ.

No, how you interpret history is not without severe bias and manipulation. Lol. I don't trust your lack of heart. If you had a big heart I might have given you more credit BJ. But you need to work on that corazon...otherwise you wind up being ineffective with humans.

Blackjack said:

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It's not exactly a left wing painting. He got involved in left wing politics, because his livelihood depended on state patronage. He was a bit of an art totalitarian himself during the French Revolution and was imprisoned by Robespierre, but then went on to back Napolean--who was revolutionary, but not exactly a leftist.

Rembrandt was from a wealthy family too. Hell, many of the great painters depended heavily on the patronage of the wealthy.

Oh, I get it. Anyone who has emotions of love is a good person that Erich Fromm would like, and therefore would be a socialist. Right?


Lol. You need to realize that your lacks do color your opinion on things. And you either realize that love is an inclusive expansive thing that you apply in a just way to human life---or you don't because you don't see love as expansive and inclusive. If it is not expansive and inclusive then what is it for you Senor Blackjack21 Relampaguito? Exclusive and constricted?

When you examine core values in people? You get the gist of their politics.


That is if they have developed their thoughts well. ;)
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By Red_Army
#15053814
@BigSteve

If you think telling me that liberals are similarly whiny and that their opinions on culture and media are also puerile trash is shocking to me then you are thicker than I previously thought :lol:

I think giving a shit or paying attention to award shows of any kind is moron behavior, but it is even more facile if you don't even watch the shit that's being awarded.
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By Drlee
#15053815
So I just did some checking. I see no evidence that Pesci is a republican or even a conservative in the modern sense of the word. Absolutely no evidence that he would support anything Trump does. In fact, the contrary.

People seem to assume that Pesci is a conservative but he is virtually silent on his political beliefs.

What we know is that he is a devout Roman Catholic who has defended the pope from verbal attack. That does not prove anything but it does indicate that he would damned sure not like Trump.

Pope actually said that maybe I'm not a good Christian or something. It's unbelievable. Which is really not a nice thing to say.
Donald Trump


I don't like seeing the Pope standing at the checkout counter (front desk) of a hotel in order to pay his bill. It's not Pope-like!
— Donald J. Trump


I invite you not to build walls but bridges, to conquer evil with good, offence with forgiveness, to live in peace with everyone.
— Pope Francis


How often in the Bible the Lord asks us to welcome migrants and foreigners, reminding us that we too are foreigners!
— Pope Francis


Jesus entrusted to Peter the keys to open the entrance to the kingdom of heaven, and not to close it.
— Pope Francis


So anyway, there are a bunch of people claiming that Pesci is a conservative. Aside from his Catholicism, which is conservative on items of faith and very liberal on social welfare issues, how about some evidence that Pesci is a conservative rather than a garden variety Roman Catholic.
By blackjack21
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Tainari88 wrote:Lol. No, Senor Blackjack.....what defines creative people is a need to express themselves and all people who are artistic being labeled as oddball is not accurate.

Ok. So Trump needs to express himself. He tweets a lot. Would you call Trump creative?

Tainari88 wrote:But their politics tend to align with if they believe that change is part of life and living or if they keep on holding on to old concepts and old structures and power relationships based on fear. Fear of change. And conservatives are a fear based political culture.

You mean like Tainos worrying about too many Anglos moving to Puerto Rico and changing the culture?

Tainari88 wrote:There is no doubt that is the core of that side of politics.

Conservatism is preserving wisdom generation after generation. Sometimes overturning that wisdom isn't a good idea. For example, telling people it's a-okay to have anal sex with many people, because we have antibiotics is unwise, especially for people with a scientific background. Yet, liberals had no problem doing that, and it led to 5 times as many people dying from HIV/AIDS over several decades than died in Hitler's concentration camps. By contrast, conservative societies like Muslims haven't had anywhere near the problems with HIV/AIDS compared to liberal societies. Wouldn't you agree?

Tainari88 wrote:Right wing conservative=fear of change. Fear of differences. Fear. Period.

Trump is quite bombastic. He's very different from me socially. Yet, I find this startling difference immensely entertaining. Right now, it is the political left that is so afraid of Trump winning, that they are trying to impeach him because they fear that they cannot beat him at the ballot box.

Tainari88 wrote:Just because one is unconventional doesn't make people anti social or just because one is eccentric BJ doesn't make one any one single thing.

Indeed. I'm unconventional, and yet not anti-social. So is Donald Trump. He is certainly eccentric. So do you see the err in trying to paint him as one single thing?

Tainari88 wrote:I think you fail to grasp many subtleties about human creative stuff....lol.

I think you would be surprised.

Tainari88 wrote:You do that with me all the time.

That's because you are a Latina. It's fun. I can see you getting fired up to write back to me. However, I don't think I can call you El Fuego, because that's masculine. So is picante. Maybe la fogata or la estrella. I will have to think of a nickname for you too.
By Rugoz
#15053848
Artists are left-wingers because:
- Financial success is not related to artistic achievement.
- Almost all artists struggle financially while a few get filthy rich.
- They often depend on government funding.

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