blackjack21 wrote:They are all strong individuals. Leftists like being part of a collective. Artists have to be separate from the collective, more often misfits or oddballs with a keen insight. That's why they are often from outlier backgrounds--extremely rich, extremely poor, homosexual, etc.
Oh Relampaguito, to think that individuals grow up to be who they are without a social context at all? That is not accurate in the least. What changes in the world over time? The answer is everything. If you realize you need a change? Is that conservative? Lol. No, Senor Blackjack.....what defines creative people is a need to express themselves and all people who are artistic being labeled as oddball is not accurate. People are complex. But their politics tend to align with if they believe that change is part of life and living or if they keep on holding on to old concepts and old structures and power relationships based on fear. Fear of change. And conservatives are a fear based political culture. There is no doubt that is the core of that side of politics. Right wing conservative=fear of change. Fear of differences. Fear. Period. All of us live within a social context and what are politics but a way of viewing the world and responding in a way that is shared with many others? Just because one is unconventional doesn't make people anti social or just because one is eccentric BJ doesn't make one any one single thing. I think you fail to grasp many subtleties about human creative stuff....lol. You do that with me all the time.
I'm sure there are people here who will point out a greatly overrepresented ethnicity involved in the financial aspects of the creative arts.
What Jewish accountants, merchants, bankers? Lol. Jews are also great artists, scientists, actors, and many were and are extremely poor and some are rich, and some are great singers, and dancers, others are not, and so on. Variation. The freedom to be human BJ. To be who one is and not allow labels to define you.
You're going to call Da Vinci a communist? Most of the great artists are known for their establishmentarianism. Da Vinci? The Last Supper. Michelangelo? The Sistine Chapel. Raphael? The School of Athens, The Parnassus. You can practically say that many were dependent on the establishment, even the revolutionary types. Jacques Louis David for example. He painted the Oath of the Horatii:
Communism wasn't even invented in DaVinci's time period in history. But he was a controversial man. He lived in a period of time where you had to seek patronage from very wealthy individuals. Or you would not get to work on your projects. He did not agree with many of his colleagues at the time about art, science or many things.
Da Vinci was watched closely for heresy. Even the Spanish Inquisition wound up losing a power struggle or two against the other power players in their time periods BJ.
No, how you interpret history is not without severe bias and manipulation. Lol. I don't trust your lack of heart. If you had a big heart I might have given you more credit BJ. But you need to work on that corazon...otherwise you wind up being ineffective with humans.
It's not exactly a left wing painting. He got involved in left wing politics, because his livelihood depended on state patronage. He was a bit of an art totalitarian himself during the French Revolution and was imprisoned by Robespierre, but then went on to back Napolean--who was revolutionary, but not exactly a leftist.
Rembrandt was from a wealthy family too. Hell, many of the great painters depended heavily on the patronage of the wealthy.
Oh, I get it. Anyone who has emotions of love is a good person that Erich Fromm would like, and therefore would be a socialist. Right?
Lol. You need to realize that your lacks do color your opinion on things. And you either realize that love is an inclusive expansive thing that you apply in a just way to human life---or you don't because you don't see love as expansive and inclusive. If it is not expansive and inclusive then what is it for you Senor Blackjack21 Relampaguito? Exclusive and constricted?
When you examine core values in people? You get the gist of their politics.
That is if they have developed their thoughts well.