[JohnRawls]

We will see a return of the Blairite faction.

Labour's shift towards more leftist politics was simply a phase. Corbyn and his followers had their chance.

After his resignation the Blairites will come back to prominence.

Corbyn should be congratulated for his valiant effort and for the changes he made. It was an absolutely heroic effort and unbelievable that the changes he oversaw were possible in the Labour party of the 2010s.

You can never be too sure. Corbynites are heavily entrenched in the leadership and have a strong hard left grassroots base. I am pretty sure that they can fight back and prevent this change. Will weaken the party even further though.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

But that is what your poll shows. Around 55 to 45.

It's 53:47 and was 52:48 before the referendum, hence no change. This big swing in opinion has been just around the corner for three years now.

As for the unrest situation. Its my opinion about the UK. Comparing it to France is a bit dishonest because France is under different circumstances honestly. Its like defending 1 wrong by saying that there is another wrong going on so we are good... What kind of logic is that?

Yes, there are different circumstances in France which hasn't had the most divisive vote in living memory and a political class which openly tried to thwart that vote.

Anyway, my comment was somewhat tongue in cheek, but I don't see anything wrong with ignoring rioting and unrest if the people in question have no point which would definitely be the case with Corbyn's acolytes.

[B0ycey]

We will see a return of the Blairite faction.

Labour's shift towards more leftist politics was simply a phase. Corbyn and his followers had their chance.

After his resignation the Blairites will come back to prominence.

Corbynism isn't dead - although it will have to scale back - when Corbyn steps down. I think people need to realise that Labour membership, the largest party in Europe, are Corbynites and not Centrists. They are also young. So I suspect anyone who stands for the leadership will have to cater that. Also, the future is red as social media was mainly Labour orientated.

The social revolution will have a new leader and it will be on hiatus. But it isn't over. And will return and galvanise in a generations time.

Which means the Centrists will have to look at the Lib Dems. But the stigma of austerity clearly looms over them. Swinsons rise and fall shows that the Lib Dems are still a force in politics but anyone who is associated with the coalition years must not be in charge of the Centrist revolution. But there is one who can change their course. Someone who is not associated with austerity and stands for liberal values. Layla Moran. She is the future. And after five years on Johnsonism and recession could be a real force in the next election.

[fokker]

I do not think Corbyn needs to step down. That should be up to Labour party members to decide. If it turns out he still has support of members he could continue. This election was heavily influenced by Brexit, something Corbyn didn't want to deliver in a clear way like Boris wanted. Corbyn stepping down is exactly what Blairites want. One needs to keep his head cool. His chance may come again during next elections.

[B0ycey]

I do not think Corbyn needs to step down.

Association with the IRA is a boil no one can remove. He couldn't break through a dysfunctional May government and ultimately lost seats he should never have lost. That and in the next election he'd be 75 and you can see this statement is wrong.

Ultimately Corbynism is a generation away. It will grow but it still needs refining. The first step is a new face. Someone fresh and without baggage. Corbyn couldn't sell the "New Deal" because he was always defending his past. But being Socialism isn't a dirty word here and the most treasured jewel is the Socialist NHS, someone else can if they sell it better than Corbyn ever could. The youth are rising. They are being educated. They perhaps need a face they associate with. Someone their age. There are a few stars in the mist. I can see them. But they do not have experience. So give the job to Starmer. Someone who perhaps can win the next election as Centrlism hasn't died yet. And after him these stars will rise out of the ashes and storm Westminster.

[Code Rood]

The Israeli lobby were recorded undercover talking of their plans to take-down pro-Palestinian politicians. Congrats, you guys won. Enjoy the continuous barbarism.

One good thing about Corbyn is that he doesn't seem to bow before Zionists. The problem is that he's still for things like open borders, which is bad for workers, British culture and so on. People don't want that, and it's probably the main reason why they voted for Brexit to begin with. Unfortunately for Brexiteers, mass-immigration won't stop if they get out of the EU.

Imagine if one Western country could have a PM/president that closed the borders and didn't suck Zionist dick. It's my dream.

[Kaiserschmarrn]

I do not think Corbyn needs to step down. That should be up to Labour party members to decide. If it turns out he still has support of members he could continue. This election was heavily influenced by Brexit, something Corbyn didn't want to deliver in a clear way like Boris wanted. Corbyn stepping down is exactly what Blairites want. One needs to keep his head cool. His chance may come again during next elections.

He just led Labour to its worst defeat since 1935 and lost constituencies that had continuously voted Labour since the same time. Corbyn was the number 1 reason given by ex-Labour voters for not voting for the party and he ranks among the most unpopular leaders in British political history.

He has already said he will step down, so this is academic, but keeping him around would be the best recipe for Labour's electoral oblivion. People know him now and they have made up their mind. Corbyn's done and Labour will be lucky to get back into government within a decade.

[Patrickov]

Unfortunately for Brexiteers, mass-immigration won't stop if they get out of the EU.

Mass immigration means that the country having to deal with them is a better country. The best resolution is for the country in concern to rule the countries spewing out emigrants.

[fokker]

He just led Labour to its worst defeat since 1935 and lost constituencies that had continuously voted Labour since the same time. Corbyn was the number 1 reason given by ex-Labour voters for not voting for the party and he ranks among the most unpopular leaders in British political history.

He has already said he will step down, so this is academic, but keeping him around would be the best recipe for Labour's electoral oblivion. People know him now and they have made up their mind. Corbyn's done and Labour will be lucky to get back into government within a decade.

Labour party stance on Brexit had surely big influence on Labour election results. Many Labour voters wanted to get Brexit done, while conservative voters were more disciplined. It can be argued that the same issue also poisoned Corbyn's popularity. If we look at popularity of other political leaders like Jo Swinson, Nigel Farage or even Nicola Sturgeon in Britain overall we will see that they are about as unpopular as Corbyn. Brexit and immigrantion was an important issue to voters, more than other policies. Given that Brexit is unavoidable now, approval ratings could change within a year or two. Therefore I'm suggesting that Jeremy Corbyn should wait it out, with the question of leader for the next general election being decided at a later time.

[Beren]

Corbynism isn't dead

It's just proved itself completely useless. It couldn't generate a leftist turn in Britain as well as it prevented Labour from confronting the Conservatives effectively on Brexit. In my opinion traditional Labour heartlands will return to Labour spontaneously as they'll be inevitably screwed by Brexit and the Tories, so Labour should concentrate on killing off the Lib Dems, which will be impossible to do if they don't marginalise Corbynism within the party.

[B0ycey]

It's just proved itself completely useless. It couldn't generate a leftist turn in Britain as well as it prevented Labour from confronting the Conservatives effectively on Brexit.

Sure. But that this is because the "Leftist Turn" doesn't exist in the UK outside under thirties. Not yet anyway. Don't get swayed by Social Media or Skinsters Twitter posts in thinking Corbyn ever stood a chance of winning a majority here. His only hope was a coalition with the Lib Dems and he pissed that away and attacked Swinsons voting record. She did likewise so cannot blame him completely for the Tory victory with only 43% of the vote.

Also fence sitting was perhaps the only thing they could do. Had they took a side whatever side they took would have lost. Perhaps it may have been better if Corbyn was a Brexiteer actually as that would have split the leave vote.

In my opinion traditional Labour heartlands will return to Labour spontaneously as they'll be inevitably screwed by Brexit and the Tories, so Labour should concentrate on killing off the Lib Dems, especially if the UK falls apart, which will be impossible to do if they don't marginalise Corbynism within the party.

Corbynism is the Labour party now. They are their members. The next Labour leader candidates will have to embrace Corbynism or lose. So it is here to stay and most definitely not dead. Whether that will be any use in the next election for Labour I don't know. But the one after that perhaps it will be. Even more so when the Tories ruin the UK economy with Brexit and the "New Plan" looks much more appealing with a different face fronting it.

Nonetheless Centrists will always have the Lib Dems. But even they have to sort their shit out and find a new leader that is not associated with the coalition - or austerity. Layla Moran looks a good face. I hope she is. I only hope she doesn't have skeletons in her cupboard like Swinson had. Because if she hasn't I think they stand a great chance after five years of Tories ruining the economy with Brexit.

[Beren]

Corbynism is the Labour party now. They are their members. The next Labour leader candidates will have to embrace Corbynism or lose. So it is here to stay and most definitely not dead. Whether that will be any use in the next election for Labour I don't know.

I wonder if they realise there's a great chance of them being in opposition for a very long time, especially if the UK falls apart and they should beat the Tories in England to form a government.

[Rich]

Jeremy Corbyn is a pathetic cowardly cuck, who unlike his IRA heroes, meekly takes the oath of allegiance. It was the same thing over Brexit. He lacked the courage to stand up for his real views and campaign to leave. By pretending to be Reamainer he betrayed the Remain campaign and sabotaged it from the inside. Remind me again, what did Stalin say should happen to "spys, wreckers and saboteurs"? Was it community service? Was it a good telling off? If he'd been allowed to get into Number 10, he'd have sabotaged our people's interests in the same way.

Brexit, like Trump on Democrats, deranged some Remain voters, many of them were prepared to suffer a Corbyn government in order to remain. Even some people at the financial times seemed to have suffered from this derangement. But many of us were not deranged. I was always clear, Boris, Farage, Tommy Robinson, even Donald Trump were all preferable to Corbyn. This put Jo Swinson into a terrible bind. To many people she had to support Remain at any cost, even if that meant putting Corbyn into number 10. She also had to be a team player in "the progressive alliance" to stop Boris, again the logic almost inevitably meant putting Corbyn into number 10. At the same time to she needed to convince other people that we should in no circumstances let Corby get the keys to number 10.

The relentless logic of FPTP forces centre parties to be even more two faced, dishonest, dishonest and duplicitous than the two main parties.

[B0ycey]

I wonder if they realise there's a great chance of them being in opposition for a very long time, especially if the UK falls apart and they should beat the Tories in England to form a government.

For Corbynites it is the movement that matters most and I suspect they would rather be in opposition than turn into Blairites. So in that regards I don't think they care one iota.

Nonetheless I expect the Tories to lose the next election anyways. Not due to Corbynism but simply because once the true consequence of Brexit materialises they cannot sell it any more. They are the party in power and they will get the blame. And the Lib Dems will gain hugely from being the party of remain who will attack Johnson with every single mistake he will make from now on. Brexit was always a poisonous chalice. And within five years of recession the cards are in the hands of those who asked to remain. Plus with Moran Labour cannot attack her voting record like they did with Swinson.

[snapdragon]

Of course Corbyn will have to step down!

He should've been booted out at midnight Thursday. I didn't believe he could win, even against the poisonous Boris Johnson, but I thought we could get a hung Parliament.

Unfortunately, I think he'll just be replaced with Corbyn mark 2; some other unelectable, useless tosser.

Meanwhile, the Tory manifesto is virtually a blank sheet of paper. Nobody is going to be able to stop Boris doing whatever the fuck he wants.

He's already talking about reducing the power of the supreme court and the human rights act. Watch out for workers rights and bank restrictions following once we've left the EU.

Skinster is deluded and always has been. I suppose she'll carry on posting yards of her carefully selected and pointless tweets, trying to prove the country love Corbyn.

My daughter sent a message to her friend on the Jewish Chronicle, begging her to hold her nose and vote for Labour and to get as many of her crowd to do so, but I don't think she did.

People have forgotten that we don't vote for a president in this country, but a political party.

or maybe that's exactly what we do these days.

I fear for the future.

[B0ycey]

I fear for the future.

You should fear the next five years perhaps. But don't fear Socialism. It is after all returning Britain to how it was in the 70s. And nationalisation is affordable if wastage is cut. We don't even tax the rich and cooperations as much as other like minded economies so there is a honeypot ready for plucking right there.

Also antisemitism against Corbyn is utter dogshit. How many times does he need to say sorry or that he doesn't associate with it before anyone took his words seriously? And yes he is stepping down. What does it matter if it was yesterday or tomorrow as politics is currently in transition.

[snapdragon]

You should fear the next five years perhaps. But don't fear Socialism. It is after all returning Britain to how it was in the 70s. And nationalisation is affordable if wastage is cut. We don't even tax the rich and cooperations as much as other like minded economies so there is a honeypot ready for plucking right there.

Boris has got no intention of nationalising anything. And in what way is he, or any tory, a socialist??

Also antisemitism against Corbyn is utter dogshit. How many times does he need to say sorry or that he doesn't associate with it before anyone took his words seriously? And yes he is stepping down. What does it matter if it was yesterday or tomorrow as politics is currently in transition.

In transition in what way?

Labour will have to make an almighty change if there is any chance of winning the next election and I can't see that happening. Momentum have too much of a stranglehold.

As for Jeremy Corbyn apologising, it was half hearted at best.
He did absolutely nothing about it.

[B0ycey]

Boris has got no intention of nationalising anything. And in what way is he, or any tory, a socialist??

This was in regards to your post about the future of Corbyn. You know, the thing I quoted.

Labour will have to make an almighty change if there is any chance of winning the next election and I can't see that happening. Momentum have too much of a stranglehold.

Why do you think that? Their policies were well supported. They may well only need to chance their leader and keep everything the same. Five years of the Tory economic crash and even a dead horse could win the next election.

[skinster]

If a centrist is the new Labour leader, most of the membership will leave, since most became members because of Corbyn being the leader.

You guys acting like this was a fair fight are the delusional ones. There was sabotage coming at all directions towards Corbyn's Labour, with complicity from basically the entirety of the mainstream media. Sure, he should've stuck to his guns with respecting the Brexit vote, but he was forced to opt for the shit position he did because of sabotage from the rightwingers in the party.

The right of the party have already got the knives out, once more, totally oblivious to the fact that centrism is the ever-growing irrelevance of our time.

Also,

[JohnRawls]

If a centrist is the new Labour leader, most of the membership will leave, since most became members because of Corbyn being the leader.

You guys acting like this was a fair fight are the delusional ones. There was sabotage coming at all directions towards Corbyn's Labour, with complicity from basically the entirety of the mainstream media. Sure, he should've stuck to his guns with respecting the Brexit vote, but he was forced to opt for the shit position he did because of sabotage from the rightwingers in the party.

The right of the party have already got the knives out, once more, totally oblivious to the fact that centrism is the ever-growing irrelevance of our time.

Also,

What? Labour party has existed long before Corbyn was even alive. So membership in the Labour party is not something that can be defined by Corbyn. In the greater scheme of things Corbyn hasn't been the leader for that long. Once again, you are showing the radical die hard ways of the Labour party. If you don't get your way then you try to bring the whole party down with you.