late wrote:Not if you rebate more than they pay.
Do you need help with the math?
Yea. If you rebate the money, what's the point in having the tax. As I've already pointed out, the rich have an out. So who's going to pay the tax? It's a tax on the poor. There isn't going to be a rebate for the poor, because the whole point is to tax the poor while selling them on the idea that they're paying the tax to "save the planet." It's the most dastardly and cynical thing ever, and it has already blown up in France. That's pretty much a template for what will happen everywhere else.
Finfinder wrote:That would remain to be seen but that is not the point of impeachment anymore is it? The point of impeachment is to cripple your opponent to the point they cannot carry out policy, the insurance policy if they do not win.
Well, it's clearly not about some crime committed by the president. His defense was a tour de force of constitutional law among other things, even bringing up a point I had made that when you can't specify a codified law it is effectively a Bill of Attainder and violates ex post facto
simultaneously. The Senate should vote to acquit and let the House take another bite at the apple if they think they can put together a solid case. Even Democrats who aren't completely batshit crazy have to be despondent by the shitty case the House managers made. We have to fight Russia in Ukraine so we don't have to fight them in the United States? WTF? I can't be the only one who thinks these people are on drugs.
Finfinder wrote:This impeachment is about the congressional races.
Well, probably more the Senate than the House, as Chuck Schumer is desperate to gain the Senate Majority Leader position to stop the Supreme Court from becoming solidly conservative, which is their greatest fear; otherwise, the left can no longer use the courts to force unpopular legislation on the country. As for the House, there are key people like Jerry Nadler who are scared shitless of being primaried by AOC acolytes with her energy and endorsement behind them. On a caucus basis, it doesn't matter if Nadler loses to Boylan, because she'll win the general election anyway. NYC will vote for Republican mayors so that they are safe, but Democrats for the House and Senate. I don't see them waking up and voting Republican for the house from Manhattan. Why Lindsey Boylan is Running for Congress Against Jerry Nadler
The establishment is running desperate right now. It's really exciting to watch.
Finfinder wrote:Warren and Bootyjudge have a big problem with the black vote and Sanders has a big problem with establishment Democrats.
I voted Sanders in this, because I think Trump wanted the impeachment. It's a wrecking ball to the establishment and for whatever reason they just cannot seem to grasp that. This is not going to save Joe Biden. If anything, it's tanking him and giving an opening to Bernie, and Bernie is sequestered in the Senate--in other words, exactly the opposite of what the Democrats expected is happening. New polls show that Sanders could win South Carolina too. Generally, if you win the first three, you're on your way to the nomination.
Finfinder wrote:Trump is polling if you believe polls to double his black vote.
I really don't trust the polls at this point; however, Trump told black voters in 2016 that he'd lower their unemployment and he has done that. While it's South Jersey, apparently Trump had as many as 100k requests for tickets to his rally in Wildwood, NJ! These rallies say a hell of a lot more than any polls do.
Finfinder wrote:Honestly I don't how its possible for Sanders too win when he literally wants to completely transform our country.
I don't want him to win either, but don't count him out. His supporters are enthusiastic. Enough of the American people hate the political establishment now. They voted for Obama and Trump. It's not out of the realm of possibility. If you watched how everyone has covered the CNN Don Lemon attack of Trump supporters, that's an attack on a lot of Southern and rural Democrats too. This is why the Democrats lost Pennsylvania. These people just aren't learning.
Finfinder wrote:It wouldn't look the same after he was done.
Oh, no doubt about it. He's running against Trump, so I don't give him that much of a chance. But if he were running against Mitt Romney, I bet he'd win and Romney would be in disbelief.
Finfinder wrote:Don't look past Bloomberg who is willing to spend a billion dollars.
That is a very big deal. I don't think it's as important as grass roots support. Hillary Clinton had far more money than Trump. In the primaries, Jeb Bush had more than anyone and he didn't even place by South Carolina. Having that grass roots support is much more important, which is why Sanders is a real threat.
Finfinder wrote:He too has issues with the black vote with "stop and frisk".
The whole Democratic party does. They called Trump racist for years, but Trump told blacks he would lower their unemployment. He not only did that, but he also worked with Tim Scott on legislation and on prison reform--a concept introduced to him by Kim Kardashian and Kanye West. That's a problem for Bloomberg against Trump in the general election. You can hear it now, "Mini Mike Bloomberg used stop and frisk to put minorities in jail, but I passed the First Step Act to address harsh prison sentencing and help people get out of prison and get their lives back on track. Where's Kanye West? Come on up here Kanye!" <--This is why you don't want to underestimate opponents. It's why Sanders shouldn't be underestimated either.
Finfinder wrote:The more I think about it the Democrats realize the don't have a viable presidential candidate for the foreseeable future and they are better off fighting for control of the house and senate than the presidency.
The Senate is their last hope.
annatar1914 wrote:Sanders will choke, probably well before the Convention, because as I intimated elsewhere his role is to make the alleged ''Centrist'' Democrat candidates look more moderate to less radical Democrat voters. He means absolutely nothing else, it's a con.
The OP admonishes to express what you think will happen, not what you want to happen. I'm frankly uncertain as I was in 2016. However, I am certain that the populace hates the establishment right now. Sanders is leading by 6 points in California right now. That's a lot of delegates. Iowa, NH, South Carolina are a momentum story. If Sanders wins California, that spells big problems for Biden.
annatar1914 wrote:Magical thinking is a characteristic of such cargo cults as these.
Well, running on things like free healthcare for illegal aliens is just going to drive even more working class people to Trump. I never thought I'd live to see them do something like that after losing to Trump in 2016. They are just determined not to learn the lesson of 2016.
"This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science."
-- Joe Biden on banning travel from China during the coronavirus outbreak