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By late
#15068842
Sivad wrote:
yeah, that female poc in the video just tried to bring it back.



but being a pc nazi is.



Are you aware you didn't actually say anything?
#15068844
Sivad wrote:yeah, that female poc in the video just tried to bring it back. :lol:



but being a pc nazi is.


This comment of you makes me think that you are a conservative boomer with freezing cold takes...
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By Donna
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Sivad wrote::knife: It's gone way past campus culture. Woketard culture has colonized government, mass media, academia, medicine, the courts, big tech, it's a fucking cancer that has metastasized to every sector of society. And it needs to be stopped because you know the demented control freaks that are orchestrating it are just dying to take it to the darkest extreme imaginable. We've seen this shit before in the gulagist societies and we know it doesn't end well.


Sounds like you're about ready to be taken in by another red scare. What are you proposing? That the rights of communists to assemble and disseminate communistic speech be curtailed or outright denied? That right-wing auxiliaries 'confront' leftist activists? The moment you try to "do something" about the perceived scourge of communism is the moment one begins to allow themselves to be seduced by the trappings of political reaction, no matter how much of a liberal or libertarian you think of yourself as. At a certain point you must accept the reality that in order to stop us, you must destroy us.
By Sivad
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Donna wrote:Sounds like you're about ready to be taken in by another red scare. What are you proposing? That the rights of communists to assemble and disseminate communistic speech be curtailed or outright denied? That right-wing auxiliaries 'confront' leftist activists? The moment you try to "do something" about the perceived scourge of communism is the moment one begins to allow themselves to be seduced by the trappings of political reaction, no matter how much of a liberal or libertarian you think of yourself as. At a certain point you must accept the reality that in order to stop us, you must destroy us.


wow, that is extra fucking retarded. I don't have to physically destroy woketards to stop them, I just have to get people to laugh at woketardation and regard woketards for the ludicrous shrill little hysterical zealots that they really are. It's not hard to get people laughing at pc nazis, the pc nazis do most of the work for you just by being so cartoonishly idiotic. :lol:
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By Donna
#15068852
Sivad wrote:wow, that is extra fucking retarded. I don't have to physically destroy woketards to stop them, I just have to get people to laugh at woketardation and regard woketards for the ludicrous shrill little hysterical zealots that they really are. It's not hard to get people laughing at pc nazis, the pc nazis do most of the work for you just by being so cartoonishly idiotic. :lol:


Ah, so this is the right's fabled memeing ability.
By Sivad
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Donna wrote: What are you proposing? That the rights of communists to assemble and disseminate communistic speech be curtailed or outright denied? That right-wing auxiliaries 'confront' leftist activists? The moment you try to "do something" about the perceived scourge of communism is the moment one begins to allow themselves to be seduced by the trappings of political reaction, no matter how much of a liberal or libertarian you think of yourself as. At a certain point you must accept the reality that in order to stop us, you must destroy us.


project much? :lol: that's your playbook. You're the ones that are doing all that. Censorship, hate speech laws, deplatforming, intimidation, coercion, and authoritarian reaction. You're actively engaged in all of those exact tactics.
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By Donna
#15068854
Sivad wrote:project much? :lol: that's your playbook. You're the ones that are doing all that. Censorship, hate speech laws, deplatforming, intimidation, coercion, and authoritarian reaction. You're actively engaged in all of those exact tactics.


No tolerance for fascism, sorry.
By Sivad
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Code Rood wrote:This comment of you makes me think that you are a conservative boomer with freezing cold takes...


I'm a libertarian thirty-something just taking the piss out of stupid.
By Sivad
#15068857
Donna wrote:No tolerance for fascism, sorry.


if the shoe fits...

brown fascism, red fascism, fascism is fascism, and all fascists are swine.
#15068858
If you guys want to to pretend this is racism, and that this is the typical racism that affects white people today, okay.

I can go with that.
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By Donna
#15068859
Sivad wrote:if the shoe fits...

brown fascism, red fascism, fascism is fascism, and all fascists are swine.


SolarCross wrote:Unless it is your own apparently.


Funny how conservatives conveniently become post-modernists when it comes to fascism, a historically coherent ideology that is explicitly anti-egalitarian and anti-communist.
By Sivad
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Donna wrote:Funny how conservatives conveniently become post-modernists .


I'm not conservative and I think post-modernism offers a lot of valuable insight. Postmodernism definitely jumped the shark but I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

when it comes to fascism, a historically coherent ideology that is explicitly anti-egalitarian and anti-communist


there are many parallels between red fascism and brown fascism:

both are authoritarian

both are totalitarian

both are obsessed with identity politics

both deify the state and the collective

both are extremely scientistic

both are obsessed with social engineering the "New Man"

both are violently anti-individualist

they really are just two wings of the same bird.
By Sivad
#15068865
Donna wrote:Ah, so this is the right's fabled memeing ability.


Mark Twain said:

Will a day come when the race will detect the funniness of these juvenilities and laugh at them--and by laughing at them destroy them? For your race, in its poverty, has unquestionably one really effective weapon--laughter. Power, Money, Persuasion, Supplication, Persecution--these can lift at a colossal humbug,--push it a little-- crowd it a little--weaken it a little, century by century: but only Laughter can blow it to rags and atoms at a blast. Against the assault of Laughter nothing can stand.
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Sivad wrote:I'm not conservative and I think post-modernism offers a lot of valuable insight. Postmodernism definitely jumped the shark but I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.



there are many parallels between red fascism and brown fascism:

both are authoritarian

both are totalitarian

both are obsessed with identity politics

both deify the state and the collective

both are extremely scientistic

both are obsessed with social engineering the "New Man"

both are violently anti-individualist

they really are just two wings of the same bird.

Leon Trotsky wrote:A moralizing Philistine’s favorite method is the lumping of reaction’s conduct with that of revolution. He achieves success in this device through recourse to formal analogies. To him czarism and Bolshevism are twins. Twins are likewise discovered in fascism and communism. An inventory is compiled of the common features in Catholicism – or more specifically, Jesuitism – and Bolshevism. Hitler and Mussolini, utilizing from their side exactly the same method, disclose that liberalism, democracy, and Bolshevism represent merely different manifestations of one and the same evil. The conception that Stalinism and Trotskyism are “essentially” one and the same now enjoys the joint approval of liberals, democrats, devout Catholics, idealists, pragmatists, and anarchists. If the Stalinists are unable to adhere to this “People’s Front”, then it is only because they are accidentally occupied with the extermination of Trotskyists.

The fundamental feature of these approchements and similitudes lies in their completely ignoring the material foundation of the various currents, that is, their class nature and by that token their objective historical role. Instead they evaluate and classify different currents according to some external and secondary manifestation, most often according to their relation to one or another abstract principle which for the given classifier has a special professional value. Thus to the Roman pope Freemasons and Darwinists, Marxists and anarchists are twins because all of them sacrilegiously deny the immaculate conception. To Hitler, liberalism and Marxism are twins because they ignore “blood and honor”. To a democrat, fascism and Bolshevism are twins because they do not bow before universal suffrage. And so forth.

Undoubtedly the currents grouped above have certain common features. But the gist of the matter lies in the fact that the evolution of mankind exhausts itself neither by universal suffrage, not by “blood and honor,” nor by the dogma of the immaculate conception. The historical process signifies primarily the class struggle; moreover, different classes in the name of different aims may in certain instances utilize similar means. Essentially it cannot be otherwise. Armies in combat are always more or less symmetrical; were there nothing in common in their methods of struggle they could not inflict blows upon each other.

If an ignorant peasant or shopkeeper, understanding neither the origin nor the sense of the struggle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, discovers himself between the two fires, he will consider both belligerent camps with equal hatred. And who are all these democratic moralists? Ideologists of intermediary layers who have fallen, or are in fear of falling between the two fires. The chief traits of the prophets of this type are alienism to great historical movements, a hardened conservative mentality, smug narrowness, and a most primitive political cowardice. More than anything moralists wish that history should leave them in peace with their petty books, little magazines, subscribers, common sense, and moral copy books. But history does not leave them in peace. It cuffs them now from the left, now from the right. Clearly – revolution and reaction, Czarism and Bolshevism, communism and fascism, Stalinism and Trotskyism – are all twins. Whoever doubts this may feel the symmetrical skull bumps upon both the right and left sides of these very moralists.

'Their Morals and Ours' by Leon Trotsky
By late
#15068870
Sivad wrote:
brown fascism



Does that mean what I think it means??

Because in the USA the most pragmatic voters in the country are Black. Which means they will trade all hope of progress for someone that won't persecute them.

That's a long, long, long way from fascism.

Or is the prejudice aimed at Muslims? Our Muslims are assimilating faster than average.
By Sivad
#15068871
that's hilarious, Trotsky is basically saying that they're murdering and gulaging and totalitarianizing in same exact way but for slightly different points of ideological minutia so anyone claiming they're the same is a bonehead. :knife:

that is one audacious line of bullshit and I doubt old Trotsky could even write it with a straight face. :lol:
#15068873
Sivad wrote:that's hilarious, Trotsky is basically saying that they're murdering and gulaging and totalitarianizing in same exact way but for slightly different points of ideological minutia so anyone claiming they're the same is a bonehead. :knife:

that is one audacious line of bullshit and I doubt old Trotsky could even write it with a straight face. :lol:

Trotsky wrote:The conception that Stalinism and Trotskyism are “essentially” one and the same now enjoys the joint approval of liberals, democrats, devout Catholics, idealists, pragmatists, and anarchists. If the Stalinists are unable to adhere to this “People’s Front”, then it is only because they are accidentally occupied with the extermination of Trotskyists.


Oh, and lol @late :lol:
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By Donna
#15068876
Sivad wrote:there are many parallels between red fascism and brown fascism:

both are authoritarian


Not true. Since the 1930's most communists in the West, especially in the United States, have been left communists or anarcho-communists.

both are totalitarian


See above.

both are obsessed with identity politics


I'm not sure what this even means, it's a very broad truth-statement that can just as well be countered with the statement that identity is politically important due to the social alienation engendered by capitalist production (as well as capitalism's disintegrating and uprooting effect on traditional modes of production}.

both deify the state and the collective


You're only as free as the people are, that is, if you're not exploiting them.

As Hegel writes:

The Greeks were still unacquainted with the abstract right of our modern states, that isolates the individual, allows of his acting as such, and yet, as an invisible spirit, holds all its parts together. This is done in such a way, however, that in no one is there properly speaking either the consciousness of, or the activity for the whole; but because the individual is really held to be a person, and all his concern is the protection of his individuality, he works for the whole without knowing how. It is a divided activity in which each has only his part, just as in a factory no one makes a whole but only a part, and does not possess skill in other departments, because only a few are employed in fitting the different parts together. It is free [i.e. republican] nations alone that have the consciousness of and activity for the whole; in modern times the individual is only free for himself as such, and enjoys citizen freedom alone - in the sense of that of a bourgeois and not a citoyen. We do not possess two separate words to mark this distinction. The freedom of citizens in this signification is the dispensing with universality, the principle of isolation; but it is a necessary moment unknown to ancient states. (Philosophy of Right, II, 209)


both are extremely scientistic


Fascism is generally rooted in mythos (see also the Thule Society in the case of Germany and State Shinto in the case of Japan) rather than theory.

both are obsessed with social engineering the "New Man"


lol so did Thomas Paine. Welcome to the club.

both are violently anti-individualist


What you call individual liberty is merely bourgeois privilege. As Marx writes, "In bourgeois society, therefore, the past dominates the present; in Communist society, the present dominates the past. In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality."

they really are just two wings of the same bird.


The only thing they really have in common is that they are illiberal. In actuality they represent an intensification of two polar-opposite views of the world, best summarized as egalitarian and anti-egalitarian. The fact that both are violent or have used the state in authoritarian ways doesn't qualitatively make them the same thing.
#15068878
Potemkin wrote:Oh, and lol @late :lol:


Too much Trotsky; not enough icepick :knife:

:D

I wonder if he was recalling what he wrote there when he was conferring with German and other Fascist representatives to plot against the USSR? One would almost think his death in 1940 was the last straw with the Elites and Russia had to be invaded the following year, yes?

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