- 26 Feb 2020 14:41
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@blackjack21 wrote:
Hmmm. You can loathe it but how is universalism NOT part of human beings BJ? A long time ago some anthropologists found out that one of your genetic ancestors the neanderthals maybe lived at the same time as the homo sapiens species. Both species co-existing. One of them survived and the other one did not.
For scientists they are interested in a species that produces fertile offspring and who's DNA codes are so matched as to produce fertile offspring. That is universality BJ. We are all one type of species.
The other part of the explanation is that people identify with other people in other countries. To think they don't? Is living in denial BJ. You got a lot of internationalist organizations. Not just the globalist multinational corporations, and international banks jumping from one nation to another that protects their profits no matter what language or culture they seep into....it is universalist in principle. If it was a failure they would not have grown so incredibly powerful and wealthy using the entire globe's material resources, labor force and systems (banking and other ways of controlling wealth in many nations and consolidating it all in one place....for their specific growth, power and control.) They are the ultimate universalists BJ. Universally sucking the wealth up and controlling it all over the world. They are successful at the universality of their greed.
You can deny it and say thermodynamics says there are limits. There are limits. But not to the greed of the capitalist class that is internationalist. But to how much a planetary system allows you to violate natural physics laws, and species replenishment laws, and every other law that rules a loop system.
Human societies and how they organize their societies are not fully scientific BJ. They are ruled by a series of the Power of Myths. What are these myths and who believes in them as if they are a law of physics? Human beings.
Religion is one of these. And incredibly religion can be universally appealing. Are there Roman Catholics in Asia? In Japan and the PRC? Yes. Phillipines? Oh, yes. Buddhist Americans? Yes. WHY? Because religious precepts appeal to HUMANS. Even if they are of different cultural origins.
Have you eaten rice? Bananas? Oranges? They are Asian. If you are a purist about human culture you don't eat things that don't come from the Americas. But that is not how the human world works BJ. All of us trade everything. Including politics, economic systems, court systems, ideas private property or common property or publicly held lands, or this or that. We observe other human societies all the time.
For example BJ, you say you went to many South American nations. Why go to those nations? For a job? Because it is part of your job? Why are they using coding? Why is the internet in all these nations? UNIVERSALITY. It is useful for many human societies and not just one. And the source of all human wealth is get in closer to me BJ---other humans are the source of wealth, growth, capitalist profit margins and all the rest. The species is using a universal appeal to the species to get the growth to continue and it is evolving using that expansion into the societies.
So how can you argue that that is a liability when you can use it to liberate, and give universal rights to all the people in the world if they all agree on a universal human rights charter?
You are living in denial BJ.
The reason you went to those societies is because there were humans there. Who consumed a product you were selling or doing. They had hotels, food, electricity, running water, people who knew how to communicate with you, you got in taxis and cars, and negotiated and entered customs and airports, etc. Humans who some were less intelligent and others very intelligent, some did low skilled labor and some did high skilled labor. But they all were of your same species and you TRUSTED them to be human and be listening and be responding to your abilities and your needs. The reason why African slaves were imported to do unpaid labor in the Americas for a couple of centuries was because they were human and could do a job only human beings can do. Not oxen or cows, or something that a non human can do. At that time in history they were brought over precisely because they were HUMAN. They were treated like property and animals or less than that because usually one doesn't whip to death a cow for not giving milk because they are sick or something. Ay, BJ, why do you insist on denying what is obvious to many people?
You became part of their society for a brief time. That is damn universal.
So how can you deny that? I don't get how a natural law of thermodynamics is saying that different working class people within a multinational system can't have identification with other humans of the same species and the same class saying....we can't agree. We are too different. They already agree on a bunch of stuff BJ. That is the reason there is new economic growth that goes to the top 1%. Because the other human beings are creating new wealth. How do they do that? By using their universal humanity to do it. Why did the capitalist industries move to Mexico in Juarez in the maquiladoras? Because a Mexican speaking Spanish working the same car assembly line as an English speaking American background doing the same job is UNIVERSAL. Interchangable. What has to happen is that all of these 'not important' people which are the majority in all of the nations say as one group? No, we got rights. We want rights.
AI and Homo Deus by Harari is talking about robotics and replacing the drudge tasks and very interesting clinical trials and other research and development data tasks....with computers. What are we going to do with the workers without work? I say let them get their time freed up to pursue what their loves, passions and strengths are....use the universality and the new wealth to FREE people to pursue what makes them satisfied and happy. Use their universal humanity to give the human race the space to become the best of its possibilities and potentials. Do you understand how staggering are the numbers of people trapped by extreme poverty in the world? It is staggering. Imagine every one of those people living lives like yours? Where you got educated, and pursued a career you enjoy now? Where you got time to hang out with friends and family members and gripe on the internet about the socialists and the etc? Why even have a desire to keep those people in that state of bondage? I will never understand that mentality BJ!
Do you understand me BJ? The ball is in your side of the court hombre. Pegale a la pelota BJ. A ver lo que me das?
The Law of Entropy by itself will see to it that the workers of the world will never unite. Socialism depends on universalism, and that is something I came to loath among both the liberals and the socialists.
Hmmm. You can loathe it but how is universalism NOT part of human beings BJ? A long time ago some anthropologists found out that one of your genetic ancestors the neanderthals maybe lived at the same time as the homo sapiens species. Both species co-existing. One of them survived and the other one did not.
For scientists they are interested in a species that produces fertile offspring and who's DNA codes are so matched as to produce fertile offspring. That is universality BJ. We are all one type of species.
The other part of the explanation is that people identify with other people in other countries. To think they don't? Is living in denial BJ. You got a lot of internationalist organizations. Not just the globalist multinational corporations, and international banks jumping from one nation to another that protects their profits no matter what language or culture they seep into....it is universalist in principle. If it was a failure they would not have grown so incredibly powerful and wealthy using the entire globe's material resources, labor force and systems (banking and other ways of controlling wealth in many nations and consolidating it all in one place....for their specific growth, power and control.) They are the ultimate universalists BJ. Universally sucking the wealth up and controlling it all over the world. They are successful at the universality of their greed.
You can deny it and say thermodynamics says there are limits. There are limits. But not to the greed of the capitalist class that is internationalist. But to how much a planetary system allows you to violate natural physics laws, and species replenishment laws, and every other law that rules a loop system.
Human societies and how they organize their societies are not fully scientific BJ. They are ruled by a series of the Power of Myths. What are these myths and who believes in them as if they are a law of physics? Human beings.
Religion is one of these. And incredibly religion can be universally appealing. Are there Roman Catholics in Asia? In Japan and the PRC? Yes. Phillipines? Oh, yes. Buddhist Americans? Yes. WHY? Because religious precepts appeal to HUMANS. Even if they are of different cultural origins.
Have you eaten rice? Bananas? Oranges? They are Asian. If you are a purist about human culture you don't eat things that don't come from the Americas. But that is not how the human world works BJ. All of us trade everything. Including politics, economic systems, court systems, ideas private property or common property or publicly held lands, or this or that. We observe other human societies all the time.
For example BJ, you say you went to many South American nations. Why go to those nations? For a job? Because it is part of your job? Why are they using coding? Why is the internet in all these nations? UNIVERSALITY. It is useful for many human societies and not just one. And the source of all human wealth is get in closer to me BJ---other humans are the source of wealth, growth, capitalist profit margins and all the rest. The species is using a universal appeal to the species to get the growth to continue and it is evolving using that expansion into the societies.
So how can you argue that that is a liability when you can use it to liberate, and give universal rights to all the people in the world if they all agree on a universal human rights charter?
You are living in denial BJ.
The reason you went to those societies is because there were humans there. Who consumed a product you were selling or doing. They had hotels, food, electricity, running water, people who knew how to communicate with you, you got in taxis and cars, and negotiated and entered customs and airports, etc. Humans who some were less intelligent and others very intelligent, some did low skilled labor and some did high skilled labor. But they all were of your same species and you TRUSTED them to be human and be listening and be responding to your abilities and your needs. The reason why African slaves were imported to do unpaid labor in the Americas for a couple of centuries was because they were human and could do a job only human beings can do. Not oxen or cows, or something that a non human can do. At that time in history they were brought over precisely because they were HUMAN. They were treated like property and animals or less than that because usually one doesn't whip to death a cow for not giving milk because they are sick or something. Ay, BJ, why do you insist on denying what is obvious to many people?
You became part of their society for a brief time. That is damn universal.
So how can you deny that? I don't get how a natural law of thermodynamics is saying that different working class people within a multinational system can't have identification with other humans of the same species and the same class saying....we can't agree. We are too different. They already agree on a bunch of stuff BJ. That is the reason there is new economic growth that goes to the top 1%. Because the other human beings are creating new wealth. How do they do that? By using their universal humanity to do it. Why did the capitalist industries move to Mexico in Juarez in the maquiladoras? Because a Mexican speaking Spanish working the same car assembly line as an English speaking American background doing the same job is UNIVERSAL. Interchangable. What has to happen is that all of these 'not important' people which are the majority in all of the nations say as one group? No, we got rights. We want rights.
AI and Homo Deus by Harari is talking about robotics and replacing the drudge tasks and very interesting clinical trials and other research and development data tasks....with computers. What are we going to do with the workers without work? I say let them get their time freed up to pursue what their loves, passions and strengths are....use the universality and the new wealth to FREE people to pursue what makes them satisfied and happy. Use their universal humanity to give the human race the space to become the best of its possibilities and potentials. Do you understand how staggering are the numbers of people trapped by extreme poverty in the world? It is staggering. Imagine every one of those people living lives like yours? Where you got educated, and pursued a career you enjoy now? Where you got time to hang out with friends and family members and gripe on the internet about the socialists and the etc? Why even have a desire to keep those people in that state of bondage? I will never understand that mentality BJ!
Do you understand me BJ? The ball is in your side of the court hombre. Pegale a la pelota BJ. A ver lo que me das?
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