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This is hilarious because they've probably never heard of Rock Against Communism, a series of white power concerts in the UK in the '70s. :lol:

New York Post wrote:Miami to hold ‘anti-Communist’ concert after Sanders defends Castro regime

By Mark MooreFebruary 26, 2020 | 1:43pm | Updated


Miami will hold an “anti-Communist” concert in April in response to Democratic presidential front-runner Sen. Bernie Sanders’ defense of Fidel Castro’s authoritarian regime in Cuba, according to a report.

“Our city represents the stories of countless individuals who have risked their lives to flee communism,” Mayor Francis Suarez said, mentioning Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela, the Miami Herald reported on Monday.

“Each and every life that has fled communism has proven how the will to pursue democracy and freedom, even in the face of oppression, can never be suppressed or silenced.”

In an interview Sunday on CBS News’ “60 Minutes,” Sanders praised Castro’s literacy efforts when he took over Cuba in 1959.

“When Fidel Castro came to office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program,” Sanders said. “Is that a bad thing, even though Fidel Castro did it?”

In a CNN town hall Monday night, Sanders stood by his remarks. “(Castro) went out and they helped people learn to read and write,” he said. “The truth is the truth, and that’s what happened in the first years of the Castro regime.”

Sanders’ comments immediately sparked controversy in South Florida, where many who escaped Cuba under Castro now live.

Suarez said the Vermont independent left out the evils of Castro’s rule.

“What Sen. Sanders conveniently omitted from his colorful characterization of Communist Cuba was Castro’s forceful and violent imposition of power, attacking human rights and freedom of speech, thereby minimizing the sacrifice of those who fought to break free from his suffocating hand,” Suarez said.

Among the artists scheduled to perform at the April 11 concert in downtown Miami are Cuban American trumpet player Arturo Sandoval and singers Willy Chirino and Amaury Gutierrez.
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Donna wrote:
This is hilarious because they've probably never heard of Rock Against Communism, a series of white power concerts in the UK in the '70s. :lol:



What you won't hear is how the old Cubans that fled Cuba were worse than Castro. Or how horrible it was in a lot of countries like Guatemala where we installed tinpot dictators.

Which is why the same Cubans that put Castro in didn't kick him out.

They also won't talk about how we developed relationships with China, Russia and other Commie countries. Trust me, Cuba wasn't worse than Russia.

Or if we really wanted to help them, we could have helped them develop economically...

I had hoped that Anti-Commie hysteria was dead.
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late wrote:What you won't hear is how the old Cubans that fled Cuba were worse than Castro. Or how horrible it was in a lot of countries like Guatemala where we installed tinpot dictators.

Which is why the same Cubans that put Castro in didn't kick him out.

They also won't talk about how we developed relationships with China, Russia and other Commie countries. Trust me, Cuba wasn't worse than Russia.

Or if we really wanted to help them, we could have helped them develop economically...

I had hoped that Anti-Commie hysteria was dead.


I have a feeling this is going to become Bernie's Swift Boat controversy and we will never stop hearing about it until election night.

Now would be a good time for activists and progressive researchers to begin exposing the fascistic tendencies of Cuban exiles.
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Donna wrote:I have a feeling this is going to become Bernie's Swift Boat controversy and we will never stop hearing about it until election night.

Now would be a good time for activists and progressive researchers to begin exposing the fascistic tendencies of Cuban exiles.


Cuban exiles have had a hand in violence in Puerto Rico against all socialist pro independence people. Those Miami fascist Cubans are the WORST!

Mari Bras video talking about his son being killed by some 'police force' or mystery man force...yeah, whatever....
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Patrickov wrote:
It is not hysteria. In some sense the spread of coronavirus is a result of overly-bureaucratic and harsh communist leadership.



Oh please.

It's a result of the diet, and the fact that Asia has a long ways to go to meet Western standards for food processing and storage.

But thanks for proving my point about the irrationality.
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I'm leaning towards the idea that we need an anti-fascist movement. The point being that Fascists are only particular type of fascism. The worst fascists are the Communists and Sunni Islamists. Its time to call time on the demonisation of the Nazis. Once Hitler occupied rCzeckoslaovia it was right to make bringing him down and regime change in Germany the number one target for the liberal democracies. However this was because of the power of the German army and air-force not that Hitler was some of demonic, or even exceptional evil. If Hitler had been leader Cambodia rather than Germany, he would not have been one of the worlds major problems. The Khmer Rouge were one of the world's major problems.

I'm always amazed when we have the remembrance of Kristalnacht that no ever asks what it was like for Jewish shop keepers in Saudi Arabia in 1938. There's always this obsession with how few Jews survived in Nazi occupied Europe in 1945. But no seems to ask how many Jews survived in Saudi Arabia in 1945.
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late wrote:
Oh please.

It's a result of the diet, and the fact that Asia has a long ways to go to meet Western standards for food processing and storage.

But thanks for proving my point about the irrationality.



If the communist system is not
1. Unreasonably harsh on failures, even for those possibly out of individual's control
2. Not serious on figures, allowing hiding and cheating, and
3. Rely on the highest order to make decisions

The bureaucrats would not have been afraid to tell the truth and the epidemic would not have been like this.

The Chinese authority initially even said the epidemic was "preventable and controllable". This is proven to be a lie bigger than whatever Trump had said, and thousands of lives have been lost already.

All in all, I find the statement of hoping the death of anti-Communism highly offensive to their victims, many of whom are not what some PoFo members perceive as rich bastards. In most cases PoFo members are probably the richer people here.
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Tainari88 wrote:Cuban exiles have had a hand in violence in Puerto Rico against all socialist pro independence people. Those Miami fascist Cubans are the WORST!

Mari Bras video talking about his son being killed by some 'police force' or mystery man force...yeah, whatever....



Just admit it Cubans hate Puerto Ricans LOL :D


Funny you Bernie supporters think you have enough votes in Florida to mock these people. I was right I told you all in another thread this would happen.
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Patrickov wrote:
If the communist system is not
1. Unreasonably harsh on failures, even for those possibly out of individual's control
2. Not serious on figures, allowing hiding and cheating, and
3. Rely on the highest order to make decisions

The bureaucrats would not have been afraid to tell the truth and the epidemic would not have been like this.



You can find other Asian countries with similar problems that are not Communist. Because they are a market economy, it's not a Communist country any more.

They have an autocrat and a repressive bureaucracy, which is not hard to find elsewhere.
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late wrote:Because they are a market economy, it's not a Communist country any more.


That is before Xi Jinping, whose policies aim to do the reverse (i.e. return to Mao's route).

EDIT: China had tedency to Communism even before they were aware of the concept. They generally have less respect to private property than other civilisations.
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Finfinder wrote:Just admit it Cubans hate Puerto Ricans LOL :D


Funny you Bernie supporters think you have enough votes in Florida to mock these people. I was right I told you all in another thread this would happen.



No Fin, I don't hate Cubans at all. I love them deeply. The fascist Cubans and Right wing fanatics who wanted Kennedy to go to war with Cuba even if it meant a nuclear fallout with the Soviet Union in the early sixties? Are the people who I passionately oppose. They would rather keep Puerto Rico from its independence to appease some greedy Empire that harmed their own society's progress in the world in order to takeover Cuba. Thinking the Yankee gov't is going to care about Cuba as much as they do. They never will care about Cuba as much as Cubans of all political leanings do. That is something those Miameros need to get through their thick skulls.

What did the bearded one had to do to get Batista out of his power seat eh Fin? Fulgencio Batista was backed by the USA government with money and arms and everything. Did Castro head for Miami? No. He went to Mexico City and met el Che and plotted to invade Cuba on a leaky little ship with some eighty something ragtag rebels and the ship was called the Granma. They had been infiltrated by the CIA operatives and their plans were foiled. They all ran for their lives. Only about 12 or a bit more (I don't exactly recall) survived the fire fight and they hid in the hills for months and months, got more guajiros to join and did guerrilla warfare tactics a la Che designed. Eventually they got a radio station going and started to get a larger army. The internal corruption and the killings of students in the streets by the Batista regime had turned moderate and even Right wing Cubans against the Batista regime. The Yankees thought maybe they could manipulate the new revolutionaries led by Fidel Castro with some money and power bribes.....the Cuban Communist party did not approve of Fidel at the time.

You really should read up on the history of the Cuban revolution Fin. It is very interesting.

I would say Fidel Castro was a stubborn nationalist and wasn't into dogma much. He was a hardcore nationalist first. Read his writings from La Isla de Pinos. The prison....documents. It is strange indeed that Batista never outright just kill him Fin. He was his rival in many ways. He underestimated Castro severely. He would have been better served politically by killing him and throwing his body in some unmarked grave in the Sierra Maestra. But he did not because Castro had challenged him many times before on the University of Havana law school in publicly recognized ways and Castro was in an almost gangster campus politically. La Habana school of Law at the time? Was full of fiery political violence.

Did you read about the Bogotazo Fin in Colombia? Where Castro was there as well and the violence that broke out about that student scene with the government?

You know what I dislike Fin? People who assume simplistic relationships between groups and not studying the history first. Study the history. You learn a lot. Who was Fidel Castro's Godfather when he was born in Oriente in 1926? None other than Lazaro Cardenas. The future president of Mexico. Castro landed in jail in Mexico City in the fifties Fin. His 26th of July Movement had been infiltrated by CIA operatives. Loyal to DC. They jailed Castro, Che, etc. Castro had been doing military exercises through a connection with el el escuadron azul (blue squadron) of the Spanish military from Franco's fascist regime. The Blue Squadron was the elite military people from Spain's Spanish Civil War. One of the top trainers retired in Mexico City.....he was the one who was training Fidel and Ernesto on how to cope with insurgency tactics. Because Fidel was a lawyer who up to then had trained in law and knew only how to handle a regular pistol and had zero knowledge of military tactics as well as Che was a doctor who had worked at a leprosy colony clinic run by the Catholic church in Peru. He was a doctor too in a clinic in Guatemala during the Arbenz coup....done by the United Fruit Company and the CIA backing it...I digress, so they needed military training to do an attempt at the overthrow against that USA backed puppet dictator Fulgencio Batista. Lazaro Cardenas the lefty Mexican prez with green eyes, decided to spring his godson from prison and pulled some strings Fin....

He landed in Cuba in the dark. Got his ass whipped and went straight for the hills.....of la Sierra Maestra to practice the skills the Spanish elite Blue Squadron commanders from Franco's victory in Spain against the Reds, Anarchists, etc coalition had taught them. Ironic eh? that is life.

The rest is history. The Yankee gov't tried to pay off Fidel and bribe his ass. Like they did Batista. They failed. Loose cannon they thought him. Che hated the idea of dealing with the Soviets. He did not like how similar they were in imperialism to the Yanks. He made a famous speech about it in the UN. So Che dealt with the creation of the Non Aligned nations. Nelson Mandela was the leader of that group long after Che created it. Cuba fought for South African ANC liberation because the non Aligned group was part of the history of Cuban foreign policy concerns in Africa. Kissinger was damn surprised at how effective it was. He wrote so in his official biographical documents. Thus the reason why Raul Castro was present at Mandela's funeral. And the Americans did not know why? They knew why. They just don't want to talk about how Cuba lost thousands of men defending a struggle and cause due to backing Africans and later not asking for something to profit from. For just ideological reasons. Something the Imperialists like that war criminal Kissinger and others NEVER UNDERSTOOD.

No, Fin, the Cubans and the Puerto Ricans are brothers fighting over ideology. But brother and sisters we are.....that is the truth.

In the end? Unless the American government starts dealing with decent politics and policies for both island nations? They will remain in controversy and the lack of improvement and worsening of both of our relationships with Washington DC will remain either the same or worse. You got only yourselves to blame Fin. For being arrogant, manipulative and ineffective leaders and inconsiderate government people with bad policies. That is the reality.

You should get your act together in Latin America Fin. And stop thinking all of Latin America are drug dealers like some idiots (and I don't mean you Finfinder) scream about all day.
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Rich wrote:Sanders doesn't need Florida. Florida is no longer a swing state. Its a Red state. A moderate Red State certainly but still a Red State.


Who knows what will happen in Florida @Rich ?

I just hope they don't start with recount in Broward County crap a la hanging chads in election cycle 2000. What a bore that was!
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Patrickov wrote:
Even the Chinese themselves do not trust their own lip service. This quote bears little real value.



Point taken.

However, your assertion is still meaningless. China is in a flat out race for technical supremacy in a number of fields.

You don't spend the GDP of a small country on AI if you're planning on sending scientists to work on a farm.

A little common sense, please.
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late wrote:
Point taken.

However, your assertion is still meaningless. China is in a flat out race for technical supremacy in a number of fields.

You don't spend the GDP of a small country on AI if you're planning on sending scientists to work on a farm.

A little common sense, please.


To be fair, sending scientists to work on a farm can still be something connected to science or technology, say, seeing how AI can detect diseases / pests / etc. and protect production. As a matter of fact I acknowledge that gulags have been all but abolished.

But the AI is also used for massive survellence and spot out dissident views and clamp down on them. For the "return to Mao" thing I mean more on suppression of freedom and centralisation of power, which is common and ongoing in Communist regimes.

As long as there are victims of these suppressions anti-Communism will not die.
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