Boy is this thread all over the map. Had to work like crazy and missed a bunch. I am gratified that Julian is starting to realize what a disaster the federal response has been.
Blanket statement. There is absolutely nothing to be learned by comparing this to influenza. There are a great number of reasons not the least of which is the mechanism of dying and counting deaths that are attributed to the flu. Flu death estimates come from a very complicated matrix of assumptions and data and can actually lag as much as 2 years. Flu deaths include other proximate causes of death. It also includes assumptions about how untested people died inside and outside the hospital. This is very different from how we are counting Corona Virus deaths. So let me recommend that we just stop doing the comparison. There is nothing to be learned from it and it does not excuse anything.
I said: We are likely going to lose way over 100,000 people. We should all be screaming for blood. But no. It has come home to me that most people will never confront it. They will know someone who died but what the hell. Their future employment will likely be seriously in jeopardy. Oh well, you know, lib'rals.
Monumentally stupid people, making monumentally stupid decisions about a problem that at its core any decent major general could manage and take weekends off. It is a murderous comedy. Unintelligent people. Gotta be that. Because it it is not they are a pile of psychopaths.
Wow, a physician that judges his patients in a negative manner, I feel bad for your patients. You seem to have political inclination dysphoria. An SJW locked inside the body of a Republican, 
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No. A community health guy. I keep having to say that.
And Julian says he is not a Trump supporter all the while defending him with outrageously stupid ideas and excuses. Own it sport. Or admit that he is and has been fucking up by the numbers.
For the love of God the US ARmy engineers are building or have built hospitals and most are not even full.
In my state, Maryland, most Corona cases have been mild. I could go to my local hospital ER and bee seen within 20 minutes if I had a Corona unrelated illness.
When would you like them to build them? While you are laying dying in a hallway?
It is a national sport to denigrate people from the south. They live on another planet and can be ignorant. The extreme right is full of ignorant people.
Amen Brother. And they have hijacked the republican party. This is not new. Google "southern pivot".
All we can do is wait this one out. By the way Cuomo still has ventilators and he can get many more from other hospitals in the state.
Oh we can do a great deal more than that. A national lock down that is serious would help and Trump knows it. The thing is that he won't do the order for political reasons. If he does order the lock down he will be admitting that he did it too late. He needs to condemn the governors who have not done it and force their hand. Further. He has to stop the pathetic pandering that governors like mine did when he exempted gun shops and shooting ranges as "essential". Sickening.
As to New York having enough ventilators. Absolute bullshit. Really dude. Stop making things up. Having some available is not the same as having enough. Rationing is NOT a good thing.
As for PPEs a nurse or doc working in ICU can probably go through 30 masks and gowns in just one shift. The need is massive.
And you discovered this, when? Who has been screaming about this for a couple of months? I have plenty of masks and gloves right now. Why? Because I went against the Trump organization and ordered Chinese KN95 masks which 3M has been saying all are were every bit as good as theirs. The rumor is that the feds just allowed these masks to be used as PPE. It took them for fucking ever to make this no-brianer of a decision.
There was a plan to reopen Obamacare enrollment to get millions more into the plan.
At the last moment, Trump chickened out.
Disgraceful. I am sure he did this at the insistence of the health care insurers who do not want to take on any potential risk at this point. They have been silently watching this and have known for a long time that it would be very expensive.
The curve is still rising, therefore nothing has worked.
OK Julian. Do you want to stick with this or do you want me to embarrass you with the facts? Seriously. I think you simply made a mistake and said this out of frustration. I understand your frustration. I am frustrated too.
@Rancid Rancid: Time to raise the white flag?
I am not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean that a doctor treating a desperately ill COVID patient should just pull of her gloves and walk away?
Right wingers can whine all they want about the "liberal African American" Mayor of San Francisco but she is a super hero for getting out in front of this. Her serious and some say draconian lock down of the city has saved, perhaps, hundreds of lives thus far and will save thousands in time. This is not an opinion. The numbers simply show that this was the right thing to do and that she did it far more quickly than anyone else.
"The surge we have been anticipating has not yet come," Dr. Jahan Fahimi, an emergency physician and medical director at the University of California San Francisco, said this week. "We're all kind of together holding our breaths."
As of Friday, the city reported 497 confirmed infections and seven deaths from the coronavirus. And while the availability of testing is still much lower than officials would like, the modest daily count compared to other major urban centers is a sign that early action in the country's second most densely populated city had an impact.
"This is what a flat curve looks like," Wachter said Friday. "And I think everybody's a little reluctant to talk about it too much because we're really hoping our good fortune continues and we're absolutely hoping that people don't change their behavior too soon."
So there it is. What else do we need to know?
Trump can and should order a national lock down right now. Does he have the authority? Yes he does.
As an aside. Now Julian about the USPHS. You asked what they are all doing now.
The USPHS is not its own thing except when certain of them are activated. So right now the majority of its officers (almost all health care professionals of one kind or another) are doing what they normally do. They are working in agencies like the Indian Health Service, the Federal Bureau of Prisons, the Coast Guard and Division of Immigration Health Services (and many more). They can be activated as teams and some have. If they are activated then they leave holes in some of the agencies above. Should they all be activated for federal disaster service? I am not sure. But I can tell you that NYC could use a hand right about now.
Dr. Fauci also downplayed the virus. There was not a whole lot of concern in January or February. BTW,it was not only Trump that downplayed the virus. The mayor of New York City Diblasio told all New Yorkers that corona was NOTHING. BTW, Diblasio is from the North East and very left wing. This is a short video, just a few minutes.
I am with you on this but with a different take. I am not so quick to label this guy as a hero. He may be because he has been able to nudge Trump where nobody else could have. But I would have preferred that he had been shouting from the rooftops for a long time now. He and the head of the CDC have known what is coming and have not, in my opinion, been loud enough. Still aren't. But then you and I both know that Trump does not listen to advice well at all. He is in full political disaster recovery mode right now. All the democrats have to do is play the tapes of Trump's outrageous pronouncements early on in this crisis and end them with a picture of Biden and Trump will be gone in November. But in the meantime I hope he still tries to get reelected. Because in his efforts to be reelected may be the motivation he seems to need to do anything at all.
Worst flu I've ever had in my life. It gave me heart palpitations. That's the symptom that prompted me to go to the doctor.
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