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#15081916
:lol: Well what ever the truth about Trump's handling of the Xi virus, at least so far he's owning the Liberals in this crisis. Fivethiryeight is showing the highest level of approval of his whole presidency. Of course its early days and things could well change cause if they don't there's going to be some pretty down looking Liberals.
#15081952
Drlee wrote:Could be a reading comprehension problem on top of Finfinder's rabid nationalism.

@Godstud

I would say that shows a real respect for at least one American strength. But, you see Finfinder, looking at the US response to this virus from anywhere but in the most ardent right wing press shows that the most advanced medical capability in the world is being squandered by inaction; both currently and in the past.

Here is the deal Finfinder. The US does have the most sophisticated medical care available anywhere in the world. We have a robust research and development capability. We have the money to pay for swift and decisive action. We have, arguably, doctors the equal of any in the world and better than the majority of them. Clearly our medical schools are the most popular anywhere.

But what we do not have that most of the developed world has is the ability to put a stamp on it. We can't deliver the best medical care in the world to all of our people. Most of the time it just means that outcomes for a great many of your people are poor. They die of cancer, heart disease, etc because of lack of access to the best we have to offer. If you have good insurance you can have a great result in the US. If you don't have it you are pretty much consigned to emergency care in the OR and then the dustbin of charity services. In the US a citizen can die of a completely curable disease literally in the shadow of a top notch medical center. And in the current crisis we see that in spades. (No pun intended.)

As an American I was raised to believe that questioning what our government is doing and vociferously holding their feet to the fire for their mistakes IS the pro-American position to take. Citizenship 101 is "love it or leave it". Graduate level citizenship is "fix it, fix it, fix it, we can always get better and it is the sacred duty of elected officials to see to it that we do".

You do know, Finfinder that Trump works for me. He is an employee of the federal government. Like any CEO he can be fired by the board of directors. Us. He doesn't know that. Like some policemen he has become tainted by what he sees as a hostile environment. Welcome to life in the food chain Donald. The rest of us work at the pleasure of the boss every fucking day. And if we fail to make that boss happy we go. You, of all people, should know that. It is what made you famous.


That is a very good post. The situation could be solved with National Health Care program like the NHS in the UK, however, it must be emphasized that ANY health care system can be overwhelmed. Europe mostly has National Health Care and they are in dire straits. Sadly, most medical supplies are made in China and not America. This is how capitalism works. There is no point in making masks, gowns, or even ventilators locally if they can be outsourced to foreign countries with very cheap labor. Ramping up in a matter of weeks to manufactured these goods is not easy and it shows the vulnerability of America by closing local factories and allowing these good to be manufactured overseas. Perhaps this will lead to a movement where all the medical supplies will be build in America. There are no more ventilators in the Federal Government. States should do as Cuomo is doing and use hospitals in small towns and rural areas that are not busy at all.

Trump is overtly worried about the economy as he sees that as the ticket to a win in 2020. The Dems will say over and over again that the economy tanked and people died because of Trump. Corona will work much better than Russia, Ukraine, pussy grabbing, and the impeachment. This is not a defense of Trump, this is just describing the political angle of this tragedy.

Meanwhile the Javits center in New York is not fully utilized yet and the military hospital ship is empty.
#15081955
Pants-of-dog wrote:Now Trump is trying to stop 3M from exporting N95 masks to Canada and Latin America.

Fortunately, 3M is ignoring that particular order.


POD: You and your comrades are constantly putting down Trump for not doing enough and now you guys put 45 down for trying too hard. Which one is it? I get it! You are a globalist and you likely see yourself as a citizen of the world. The reality is that the entire world is looking for exactly the same supplies and there is a dog fight. It seems you post whatever makes our system look bad to push your agenda. And when you do this you often contradict yourself as you are doing now. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#15081958
late wrote:A fuckload of both.


Please explain!
Thanks!

The world supply of PPEs and ventilators is very small. World leaders are in a dogfight for these supplies. You want America to step aside? Which one is it?
#15081963
late wrote:There is no need to explain what you already know.

Yes, Trump is a flawed, I have said at nauseam I am a Mitt Romney Republican. However if Trump is fighting to get supplies to America I have to support that effort. You don't support that because you secretly want a major catastrophe and economic chaos to push your socialist agenda. That is the same pragmatic approach of POD and his comrades.
#15081965
Julian658 wrote:POD: You and your comrades are constantly putting down Trump for not doing enough and now you guys put 45 down for trying too hard.


No. I am not putting him down for “trying too hard”. I am criticising him for deliberately trying to limit needed resources here in Canada and in Latin America.

Ineffectively trying to hoard PPE is not actually doing anything.

The reality is that the entire world is looking for exactly the same supplies and there is a dog fight.


No. That is not the reality.

Many countries are actually helping each other in this. If they were not, then Trump would have no opportunity to try and steal supplies that are being shipped over borders. And since he is trying to do that, you are proven wrong.

And the US should be happy that Canada is not cutting off supplies, since 3M cannot make N95 masks without certain raw materials from Canada.

Which one is it? I get it! You are a globalist and you likely see yourself as a citizen of the world.
....
It seems you post whatever makes our system look bad to push your agenda. And when you do this you often contradict yourself as you are doing now. :lol: :lol: :lol:


And more petty insults.
#15081966
Julian658 wrote:
However if Trump is fighting to get supplies to America I have to support that effort.




SSDD..

Only thing Trump is good at is screwing up.

He has had many opportunities that make matters better, he nearly always doesn't do it. This would make things worse, and I am 100% certain you don't care either way.
#15081997
Pants-of-dog wrote:No. I am not putting him down for “trying too hard”. I am criticising him for deliberately trying to limit needed resources here in Canada and in Latin America.


I assume Trudeau is not fighting to get supplies into Canada. Give me a break!

Ineffectively trying to hoard PPE is not actually doing anything.


Most hospitals are trying to get as many PPEs as possible. Don't be naive POOD. Nevertheless, hospitals in small towns and rural areas should send their unused supplies to the large cities. This is what Cuomo is doing.


Many countries are actually helping each other in this. If they were not, then Trump would have no opportunity to try and steal supplies that are being shipped over borders. And since he is trying to do that, you are proven wrong.


:lol: I cannot believe I am doing this. Please provide proof that Trump is stealing PPEs. :lol: :lol: Make sure is not a left wing source.

And more petty insults.


To point out your inconsistencies is not an insult POD. You have contradicted yourself while applying your pragmatism.

1. You and your comrades put down Trump for not applying more stringent border control with Chinese nationals. This is a contradiction because you guys are globalist and as such you do not believe in borders.
2. And now you guys put down Trump for aggressively looking for PPEs. :knife: :knife: :knife: :knife:
#15082004
On January 21, Fauci appeared on television to reassure the public that the Wuhan coronavirus was not worth worrying about:

GREG KELLY: Bottom line. We don’t have to worry about this one right?

FAUCI: Well obviously we have to take it seriously and follow the things the CDC an DHS are doing but this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.

Two days later, Chinese security forces quarantined an entire city of 11 million people. In some cases, they locked residents in their apartments from the outside. Chinese authorities were clearly panicked. But Anthony Fauci wasn’t. He assured Americans that, while they might want to reconsider immediate travel plans to Wuhan, going to the Super Bowl was absolutely fine. As it turned out, it wasn’t fine. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis now says the Super Bowl in Miami may have been a breeding ground for the spread of the virus. But Fauci kept going. On February 17, when coronavirus cases were starting to appear all over the world, he once again reassured the American public that the danger in this country was, quote, “just minuscule.” He said people ought to worry more about the quote, “real and present danger” of the annual flu.





And it was Trump that "sabotaged America’s coronavirus response" ? :lol:
#15082007
Julian658 wrote:I assume Trudeau is not fighting to get supplies into Canada. Give me a break!


Are you seriously pretending that withholding PPE that were meant for other countries is the same as trying to get supplies into your country?

Most hospitals are trying to get as many PPEs as possible. Don't be naive POOD. Nevertheless, hospitals in small towns and rural areas should send their unused supplies to the large cities. This is what Cuomo is doing.


Sure.

Trump, on the other hand, is trying to stop hospitals from getting them. Canadian and Latin American hospitals.

:lol: I cannot believe I am doing this. Please provide proof that Trump is stealing PPEs. :lol: :lol: Make sure is not a left wing source.


Do you need evidence that he ordered 3M to stop exporting N95 masks to Canada and Latin America?

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/3m- ... -to-canada

Or that it is redirecting supplies meant for other countries to the USA?

https://www.thenational.ae/world/the-am ... .1001199#2

To point out your inconsistencies is not an insult POD. You have contradicted yourself while applying your pragmatism.

1. You and your comrades put down Trump for not applying more stringent border control with Chinese nationals. This is a contradiction because you guys are globalist and as such you do not believe in borders.
2. And now you guys put down Trump for aggressively looking for PPEs. :knife: :knife: :knife: :knife:


The fact is that you misunderstand what I am saying. I am not contradicting myself. Read more carefully.
#15082009
What was Trump doing while COVID-19 was catching fire in our country?

1/3/2020 - Trump told of virus in China

1/4/2020 - Golf

1/5/2020 - Golf

1/9/2020 - campaign rally in Toledo Ohio

1/13/2020 - college football championship in New Orleans

1/14/2020 - campaign rally Milwaukee WI

1/16/2020 - impeachment trial starts in Senate

1/18/2020 - Cabinet member tells trump virus is serious

1/18/2020 - Golf

1/19/2020 - first US case of Covid-19
1/19/2020 - Speech at American Farm Bureau in Austin TX

1/19/2020 - Golf

1/21-22/2020 - DAVOS, Switzerland

1/23/2020 - RNC winter Meeting at trump Doral Florida

1/28/2020 - campaign rally at Wildwood NJ

1/30/2020 - Campaign rally, Des Moines Iowa

2/1/2020 - Golf

2/2/2020 - Golf

2/5/2020 - Senate acquits Trump

2/7/2020 - speech at North Carolina Opportunity Now Summit Charlotte, NC

2/10/2020 - Campaign rally - Manchester, N

2/15/2020 - Golf

2/16/2020 - Drive around the track at Daytona 500

2/18/2020 - fundraiser - Beverly Hills CA

2/18-19/2020 - visit to Trump International Hotel Las Vegas

2/19/2020 - Trump says he thinks the virus “will work out fine”

2/19/2020 - fundraiser, Porcupine Creek Golf Club, Palm Springs

2/19/2020 - campaign rally, Phoenix Arizona

2/19/2020 - visit to Trump International Hotel Las Vegas

2/20/2020 - campaign rally Colorado Springs, CO

2/20/2020 - visit to Trump International Hotel Las Vegas

2/21/2020 - campaign rally, Las Vegas, NV

2/24-25/2020 - visit to India

2/28/2020 - Campaign rally, North Charleston SC

2/28/2020 -Rally where Trump claims the virus is “Just their new Hoax”

2/29/2020 - speech at CPAC at National Harbor, MD

2/29/2020 - first US death from Covid-19

3/2/2020 - campaign rally, Charlotte NC

3/3/2020 - National Institute of Health visit, Bethesda, MD

3/5/2020 - Fox Town Hall, Scranton PA

3/6/2020 - visit to view tornado damage Tennessee, and stop at CDC, Atlanta

3/7/2020 - House Democrats start work on first coronavirus relief bill

3/7/2020 - Trump says “I’m not concerned at all. We’ve done a great job”
3/7/2020 - Golf

3/8/2020 - Golf

3/9/2020 - fundraiser, Longwood Florida

3/10/2020 - Trump says “And it will go away. Just relax. It will go away”

3/13/2020 - Trump for first time admits COVID-19 is a concern, declares National Emergency but says “I don’t take responsibility at all”

3/14/2020 - Exponential Covid-19 growth starts in the US

4/5/2020 - On a per capita basis, the US has 16 times more cases than China

Where was it that America went wrong? How did this turd come to be in the white house?
#15082012
Drlee wrote:Could be a reading comprehension problem on top of Finfinder's rabid nationalism. @Godstud


Drlee did you even mean to quote me this time. Remember a few days ago you went on a hysterical personal rant towards me turns out you were quoting the completely wrong person. Did you even acknowledge your mistake or apologize for it? But I'm the one with the reading comprehension problems

Drlee wrote:Here is the deal Finfinder. The US does have the most sophisticated medical care available anywhere in the world. We have a robust research and development capability. We have the money to pay for swift and decisive action. We have, arguably, doctors the equal of any in the world and better than the majority of them. Clearly our medical schools are the most popular anywhere.

But what we do not have that most of the developed world has is the ability to put a stamp on it. We can't deliver the best medical care in the world to all of our people. Most of the time it just means that outcomes for a great many of your people are poor. They die of cancer, heart disease, etc because of lack of access to the best we have to offer. If you have good insurance you can have a great result in the US. If you don't have it you are pretty much consigned to emergency care in the OR and then the dustbin of charity services. In the US a citizen can die of a completely curable disease literally in the shadow of a top notch medical center. And in the current crisis we see that in spades. (No pun intended.).


I actually don't disagree with that.

What I do disagree with is you using this crisis to blame a president for 50 years of failures. Just like it wasn't Obamas fault for the decades of problems and the fact they didn't read the bill before it was passed. I'm not buying what your selling especially the timing of it.

Drlee wrote:As an American I was raised to believe that questioning what our government is doing and vociferously holding their feet to the fire for their mistakes IS the pro-American position to take. Citizenship 101 is "love it or leave it". Graduate level citizenship is "fix it, fix it, fix it, we can always get better and it is the sacred duty of elected officials to see to it that we do".

You do know, Finfinder that Trump works for me. He is an employee of the federal government. Like any CEO he can be fired by the board of directors. Us. He doesn't know that. Like some policemen he has become tainted by what he sees as a hostile environment. Welcome to life in the food chain Donald. The rest of us work at the pleasure of the boss every fucking day. And if we fail to make that boss happy we go. You, of all people, should know that. It is what made you famous.


This is all just a steaming pile as far as I'm concerned I don't actually find your posting history is very accurate on reading and then predicting the political landscape. Especially the part about firing Trump, your credibility just goes out the window when your going to vote for Joe Biden.

Thing is I'm one of a small portion of people who defend the USA on this forum, you should thank us, if it wasn't for us you you'd be sitting in a liberal circle jerk echo chamber. I do have my criticisms but I choose be positive you choose anger and negativity.

You see Drlee governments and politicians can make the best calls and make all sorts of rules doesn't mean humans will follow them. What is happening in New York and other large cities has fucked over a lot of people in this country. While your still collecting your paychecks playing Mr Negative Monday Morning Quarterback the guy in rural Pennsylvania is watching his life's work go down the tubes and his family at risk. There is a practical approach to this that is missing. Why are even the grocery stores open? You think any president was going to make that call of martial law? You going to be the one to stomp on the constitution more than it already has been? Point guns at people heads to stay home? Not very hard to anticipate this would happen and so easy for you to say all this stuff after the facts. This needs to go to a place of personal responsibility.

Refute this Drlee ?? 95% of the deaths in the world could have been prevented if China used urgency and was more honest and forth coming about this virus instead of the massive cover up they are participating in.

Tell me this Drlee when it is all said and done do you think what you call all the stupid people in the world and the US in particular, the stupid redneck hicks are going to side with your mantra that Trump has blood on his hands or the common sense that the Chinese blindsided everyone with this? This is uncharted waters we are doing the best we can yes and learning as we go. The polls don't agree with your assesment Drlee.

Don't let a good crisis go to waste right Drlee. Lets lee how that firing works for you. go Uncle Joe. LOL

@Atlantis

Very true Trump should have screamed fire in a crowded theater and shark on a crowded beach. :roll:
#15082019
Finfinder wrote:
What I do disagree with is you using this crisis to blame a president for 50 years of failures.



He is responsible for his actions.

Nearly everyone was all set to expand Obamacare, which is badly needed in this crisis. At the last minute Trump chickened out with a vague BS promise that he'd come up with his own plan. And now there's Kushner, the guy that could screw up a free lunch.

You notice anything about his plans? They suck.

He has made mistake after mistake after mistake, and he still hasn't done a national lockdown, which means this will drag on for months longer than it had to. He still isn't using FEMA the way it was designed to, making this a lot more expensive as the prices for medical equipment soar. He didn't push his fellow Republicans to get most aid where it was needed the most.

This is a textbook example of how not to handle a crisis.
#15082023
late wrote:He is responsible for his actions.

Nearly everyone was all set to expand Obamacare, which is badly needed in this crisis. At the last minute Trump chickened out with a vague BS promise that he'd come up with his own plan. And now there's Kushner, the guy that could screw up a free lunch.

You notice anything about his plans? They suck.

He has made mistake after mistake after mistake, and he still hasn't done a national lockdown, which means this will drag on for months longer than it had to. He still isn't using FEMA the way it was designed to, making this a lot more expensive as the prices for medical equipment soar. He didn't push his fellow Republicans to get most aid where it was needed the most.

This is a textbook example of how not to handle a crisis.


Interesting how wrong someone can be in one post. Obamacare wasn't popular and Americans approval ratings (even among Democrats ) are up on Trumps handling of this Chinese virus and cover up.

Democrats were too busy looking for John Bolton and fake partisan impeachment to be concerned about the virus.

Hey maybe you should start a few more topics on the subject. :lol:
#15082039
Finfinder wrote:


Obamacare wasn't popular




It wasn't popular until people got to see it. When Republicans tried to kill it, those same people went ballistic, and a lot of Republicans went into hiding. Mine is still hiding.

You even consider having an honest dialogue?

Sorry, silly question.
#15082043
late wrote:It wasn't popular until people got to see it. When Republicans tried to kill it, those same people went ballistic, and a lot of Republicans went into hiding. Mine is still hiding.

You even consider having an honest dialogue?

Sorry, silly question.


Obama care markedly increased the premiums of those that could afford to buy health insurance. It was not pleasant.
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