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#15082174
Godstud wrote:I am sure he's safely quarantined in a German hotel. Pathetic deflection.

2 months ago, as per the article.You really can't make an intelligent argument today, can you?

Trump was still saying it wasn't a threat. You conveniently forget facts when they don't support your narrative.

Trump was, incidentally, at one of his rallies 2 days after the Chinatown festivities(Feb 11), so he was taking it just as seriously. :knife:

The President of the USA has some of the best intelligence and information in the world. Trump failing to acknowledge or act upon it, is on him. You are simply trying to deflect blame away from trump.

Cleaned up to appease Moderator.


For the love of God. Most people other than Bill gates were not to concerned back them. Even Fauci sounded somewhat benign in his description of the virus.
#15082175
Julian658 wrote:For the love of God. Most people other than Bill gates were not to concerned back them. Even Fauci sounded somewhat benign in his description of the virus.
Yes, you are absolutely correct. The fact that they had a Chinese festival in NY 2 days before Trump's rally is irrelevant given the information that they have. perhaps you can explain that to @blackjack21 who made this very argument, which you inadvertently are also refuting.
#15082183
Godstud wrote:Are you trying to be a dick? :eh: I am simply against people trying medications without medical supervision, or because they heard some rumour about them. Fauci was, too, when he recommended against this course of action as the information about these medications working, was merely anecdotal. He also mentioned that some of the side-effects from them can be dangerous, in a previous interview.

Is Fauci an acceptable source that supports what I said, or is he out to kill people, as well?

Fauci warns there's no 'strong' evidence anti-malaria drug works on coronavirus
“We’ve got to be careful that we don’t make that majestic leap to assume that this is a knockout drug. We still need to do the kinds of studies that definitely prove whether any intervention is truly safe and effective," Fauci, who is also a member of the White House coronavirus task force, said during an interview on "Fox & Friends."

“We don’t operate on how you feel, we operate on what evidence and data is,” Fauci said, adding that it was "not a very robust study" or "overwhelmingly strong."

“But when you don’t have that information, it’s understandable why people will want to take at any slightest hint that it’s effective, and I have no problem with that," he added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4910 ... oronavirus

AGAIN...
Show me the sources showing people on any side wanting people to die. Until then, I shall continue your posts like this to be the ravings of a conspiracy theorist of the worst kind. You're merely spreading BS to support your narrative, and support Trump, regardless of how false it actually is.


The drug will likely play no role in very ill patients on a ventilator. However, it may play a role in the very early stages of the illness, particularly if the drug is taken within the first 72 hours. This may prevent some patients from crashing down and requiring hospitalization or a ventilator.
#15082185
Julian658 wrote:The drug will likely play no role in very ill patients on a ventilator. However, it may play a role in the very early stages of the illness, particularly if the drug is taken within the first 72 hours. This may prevent some patients from crashing down and requiring hospitalization or a ventilator.
:eh: What has that got to do with what I said?

Medicating is medicating. They're not going to medicate you after you're dead, are they?
#15082193
Drlee wrote:You got caught son.


You talking to me? :?: My boy Julian? :?: What is wrong with you man? I'm like 95%-99% in agreement with you and you constantly go after me like we are polar opposites.

I'm a member of the "death cult", like you. Let me define that better for you, since you're all over the place with me. I put it in quotes, because i don't actually believe you or anyone wants more deaths or has some secret liberal agenda or whatever.

The backing away slowly joke, was just a joke. You know, like if two people are in a room yelling at each other, and you're just a bystander? You might want to, slowly walk away? Get it? get it? Jesus...

Why do I have to explain this shit to you? :?:
#15082205
blackjack21 wrote:He was just repeating the lies told to him by his own staff, which were being told to them by the government of China--the Chinese Communist Party.


Other than Communist China, the big hotspots of this pandemic are in places where woke politics run rampant.


Exactly the big heavy populated socialist cities with large transportation hubs and sanctuaries funnel people to the middle of the country. They did nothing to prepare for this but you won't hear that on this forum.
#15082206
Godstud wrote:Yes, you are absolutely correct. The fact that they had a Chinese festival in NY 2 days before Trump's rally is irrelevant given the information that they have. perhaps you can explain that to @blackjack21 who made this very argument, which you inadvertently are also refuting.



I said this before. Westerners were mostly unconcerned about the threat of an epidemic. Meanwhile East Asians were highly sensitive to this possibility. When I traveled in January most Asians had masks. Westerners did not! This will likely change in the future.

Doctor Lee keeps saying he would have gone ALL out in January, he is one in a million or perhaps he is from Asia.
#15082221
Julian658 wrote:
I said this before. Westerners were mostly unconcerned about the threat of an epidemic.



Trump had both the CIA and CDC trying to get him moving in January...

You are repeating the same brain dead excuse over and over and over.

South Korea got hit the same time we did, but harder. They don't need your excuses.
#15082225
late wrote:Trump had both the CIA and CDC trying to get him moving in January...

You are repeating the same brain dead excuse over and over and over.

South Korea got hit the same time we did, but harder. They don't need your excuses.

In January? Wow. That's a bit late to be preparing for something that could happen at any time.

What about in 2008 when Obama followed commercial media's "advice" and gave a year's worth of tax dollars to crooked banksters who had gone bankrupt because of their own corruption? Was that smart planning for a pandemic, or other tragedy?

All the disasters of the last 20 years have revealed what a decadent, inhuman system of governance and economics we have. To point fingers at decision-makers for what they did "one month before," while ignoring the collective decisions that were taken by both red-and-blue teams for the last 40 years.... plays right into the hands of continued incompetent governance that only serves the greed of the rich.

Cuba has never looked better (or wiser).
#15082229
QatzelOk wrote:
What about in 2008 when Obama...



Clinton, Bush2 and Obama all improved our ability to respond to a pandemic. Trump degraded that ability, and refused to deal with the crisis until the situation threatened his political chances.

His response to the crisis is still pathetically inadequate.

One disaster at a time. And when I say disaster, I mean Trump.
#15082230
late wrote:Trump had both the CIA and CDC trying to get him moving in January...

You are repeating the same brain dead excuse over and over and over.

South Korea got hit the same time we did, but harder. They don't need your excuses.


As I said: Only people like Dr. Lee would have imposed strict social isolation, closed all businesses, order GM and Ford to make ventilators, and built fields hospitals in early January when there were no Corona patients in the USA. Most mere mortals would have underestimated the virus. BTW, if you think Trump underestimated the virus you should watch Diblasio. He was Trump on steroids. Watch Nancy Pelosi. Even Fauci was rather benign.

Diblasio underestimates Corona and gives false security to all New Yorkers.

I am not Trump fan. I call it as I see it. BTW, everybody knows that East Asians were highly sensitized to the virus so they took early precautions.
#15082232
late wrote:C...and Obama all improved our ability to respond to a pandemic.

After giving all the money in the till to banksters in 2008, there was austerity. Remember?
All over the world.

And this means that social programs were cut back... all over the capitalist world. In order to transfer huge amounts of money to corrupt bankers.

Read more and you will find out that this 'crisis' is the fault of the priorities of a free market system. Free means that the banks can have whatever they want, and everyone else gets to experience "austerity" at the worst of times.

The people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and many Latin American countries have already connected the dots. Our rich get that way through depriving everyone else of the basics. In this case, "the basics" are all the extra hospital beds and medical equipment that we don't have - while we do have a billion SUVs and cruiseship sushi meals.

SUVs and cruiseship meals, are an example of the poor imitating their over-indulgent masters.
#15082237
QatzelOk wrote:
After giving all the money in the till to banksters in 2008, there was austerity. Remember?
All over the world.

And this means that social programs were cut back... all over the capitalist world. In order to transfer huge amounts of money to corrupt bankers.

Read more and you will find out that this 'crisis' is the fault of the priorities of a free market system. Free means that the banks can have whatever they want, and everyone else gets to experience "austerity" at the worst of times.



Ever hear of Obamacare? Obama also created the NSC pandemic team.

Iceland busted the corrupt banks, ripped them apart and sold off the pieces. That was the sensible thing to do. We're too corrupt.

The underlying problem here is income inequality. Unfortunately, it's getting worse.
#15082239
Julian658 wrote:
As I said: Only people like Dr. Lee would have imposed strict social isolation, closed all businesses, order GM and Ford to make ventilators, and built fields hospitals in early January when there were no Corona patients in the USA.

Most mere mortals would have underestimated the virus. BTW, if you think Trump underestimated the virus you should watch Diblasio. He was Trump on steroids. Watch Nancy Pelosi. Even Fauci was rather benign.



Most presidents would have hesitated for about a month, depends on the guy. Part of that would have been telling the various teams to work up plans. Trump didn't hesitate, he blew them off, disbanded the primary pandemic team, and told the American people many times it wasn't a problem.

Trump is a disaster.

And would you please stop pretending guys like Cuomo get confidential information from the CIA? It's just massively dumb.
#15082240
Julian658 wrote:As I said: Only people like Dr. Lee would have imposed strict social isolation, closed all businesses, order GM and Ford to make ventilators, and built fields hospitals in early January when there were no Corona patients in the USA. Most mere mortals would have underestimated the virus. BTW, if you think Trump underestimated the virus you should watch Diblasio. He was Trump on steroids. Watch Nancy Pelosi. Even Fauci was rather benign.

Diblasio underestimates Corona and gives false security to all New Yorkers.

I am not Trump fan. I call it as I see it. BTW, everybody knows that East Asians were highly sensitized to the virus so they took early precautions.


Did you see my post I posted the videos?

That is because East Asians knew about it. China and the WHO colluded to cover this up. We had no idea to the extent what was headed for us.

Also yes the Chinese were going door to door they were using force or the threat of violence for compliance. Drlee thought the USA should have converted to communism instantly, even though his same ilk were denying the virus and calling Trumps travel bans racist.


#15082246
Godstud wrote:Trump was still saying it wasn't a threat.

Uh, he banned travel from China. So in my opinion, he saw a threat. Others have said that he banned travel from China because he is a racist. I'm inclined to think his motivation was otherwise.

Godstud wrote:You are simply trying to deflect blame away from trump.

Trump is not to blame for coronavirus.

Julian658 wrote:Even Fauci sounded somewhat benign in his description of the virus.

Yeah but Fauci was getting his info from the WTO who was repeating China's lies. If China had not lied about it, no doubt the experts would have warned the political class sooner.

Godstud wrote:The fact that they had a Chinese festival in NY 2 days before Trump's rally is irrelevant given the information that they have.

Trump's rally wasn't in NYC's Chinatown. :knife: All the Democratic party candidates were holding rallies too. All in places that had no known reports of coronavirus.

late wrote:Trump had both the CIA and CDC trying to get him moving in January...

Well, if the CIA is trying to get him to do something, that would be suspicious because the CIA still hasn't fired Eric Ciaramella. As long as they want to overthrow the president of the United States, it's perfectly reasonable for Trump to cast a gimlet eye on the CIA.

QatzelOk wrote:Cuba has never looked better (or wiser).

Or poorer. I'd rather have my US living standard.

late wrote:Trump degraded that ability, and refused to deal with the crisis until the situation threatened his political chances.

Everyone knows that's bullshit @late.

late wrote:His response to the crisis is still pathetically inadequate.

Aren't you just upset, because it's the people who embrace woke politics that are getting hurt the worst? That's true outside of the US too.

late wrote:Trump didn't hesitate, he blew them off, disbanded the primary pandemic team, and told the American people many times it wasn't a problem.

Trump suspended travel from China and put returning Americans in quarantine. He was called a racist for this action. Trump did not disband the pandemic team. It was reorganized by John Bolton. Trump was listening to his experts and repeating what they were telling him. The only late response is that he didn't shut off travel from Europe sooner, but the World Health Organization implored him not to do so for reasons that are mystifying.

late wrote:Trump is a disaster.

For the establishment, yes. That's why I like him.

Finfinder wrote:China and the WHO colluded to cover this up. We had no idea to the extent what was headed for us.

I think the bigger problem is the WHO. I think a lot of people are smart enough not to trust communists, but the WHO purports to act as the CDC of the world, and they actively spread materially false information to Western countries and opposed travel bans.
#15082248
blackjack21 wrote:


Trump suspended travel from China

and put returning Americans in quarantine.



No, he faked it, 40,000 came here from China, after the suspension.

Quarantine procedures were not set up until after the virus escaped.

I'm not going to bother with most of your BS, but those deserved comment.
#15082250
You talking to me? :?: My boy Julian? :?: What is wrong with you man? I'm like 95%-99% in agreement with you and you constantly go after me like we are polar opposites.


A was not talking about you at all. Paranoid much?

As I said: Only people like Dr. Lee would have imposed strict social isolation, closed all businesses, order GM and Ford to make ventilators, and built fields hospitals in early January when there were no Corona patients in the USA.



And I never said that. Read my posts again.

The first step prior to those is to eliminate access to the US by infected people. Trump sorta' did that a little.

Then with very limited cases you do contract tracing.

Then the above.


Most mere mortals would have underestimated the virus.


Most mere mortals are not epidemiologists. That is why mere mortals are wise to listen to the epidemiologists. Trump did not for a very long time and is doing little of it now.


BTW, if you think Trump underestimated the virus you should watch Diblasio.


I don't care about DiBlosio. He is not the president.

...everybody knows that East Asians were highly sensitized to the virus so they took early precautions.


Not actually true. What is true is that their public health system acted far faster and far more effectively than hours. And still is.

We knew in early January that there was a devastating disease abroad in China and we allowed hundreds of Chinese companies to attend two massive conventions in Las Vegas.

Explain this Julian. Trump has the authority to order a national lock down. A dozen or so republican led states have not done this. Why hasn't he acted? Give me a good reason from a lifesaving standpoint. I do not want to hear nonsense about states rights, or Pelosi, or how much water is in your aquarium.

@blackjack21 Well, if the CIA is trying to get him to do something, that would be suspicious because the CIA still hasn't fired Eric Ciaramella. As long as they want to overthrow the president of the United States, it's perfectly reasonable for Trump to cast a gimlet eye on the CIA.


Oooo. Good one. Now you are up to your usual style. Of course it is nonsense but it is worthy nonsense. This is not the first time paranoia has killed a few hundred thousand people.
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