[Zionist Nationalist]

@noemon I understand that you dont blatant racism but you cant change people thoughts some of us are racists and we cant help but express our subtle racism and its not going to change
if you dont like it just ban all of us racists and let this forum become a leftist circlejerk just like some subreddits

[wat0n]

So I just watched Minnesota's Governor and the discourse has clearly changed. He's gonna toughen up.

I also found @Kaiserschmarrn's website to be quite interesting. For Minnesota, the last time an unarmed African American was killed by Minneapolis Police was back in 2015 (there were 2 unarmed people killed by police there, he or she is the only African American one - the other is a White American killed in 2017).

There is also a general downward trend in police killings of unarmed people of all races from 2015 onwards, so the downward trend for the killing of unarmed African Americans is not a particular phenomenon to them - an effect of the BLM movement I think. That's good news and I don't see why would one refuse to acknowledge that.

At last, a substantial part of the database (some 15% of it, but can be up to 20% for a given year) has people of unknown race. While for national comparisons it may not matter much, it could change the interpretation about local trends. I didn't find it in Minneapolis but those people must be somewhere.

[Pants-of-dog]

What we have in America is an underground movement to bring down the establishment. It is not the bourgeoisie mercilessly exploited the proletariat. This has been switched to black oppressed by white. The media and black leaders have preached massive racism 24/7 for decades. Growing up black in America and hearing and watching all this stuff leads to nihilism. I read a few tweets and this confirms my suspicion; there is massive racial PTSD in America and it is group PTSD rather than just one person.

This is disgusting behaviour on your part, Julian.

A man has died. He died as a result of an extrajudicial killing by an officer of the state.

Despite the fact that the murder was caught on tape, the murderer was not charged and allowed to go free for quite some time. The initial autopsy by the police is an obvious attempt to get the murderer off the hook.

And here you are, whining about how black people are just pretending there is racism.

How many dead people do there have to be before you stop your racist claims that racism is not real?

[Patrickov]

... the murderer was not charged and allowed to go free for quite some time ...

Wait, is the following news fake then?

Police officer filmed kneeling on George Floyd's neck charged with murder

[Pants-of-dog]

Wait, is the following news fake then?

Police officer filmed kneeling on George Floyd's neck charged with murder

He was only arrested and charged after the riots had already been going on for some time.

[XogGyux]

https://www.the-sun.com/news/907592/george-floyd-family-hire-pathologist-autopsy-finds-not-die-asphyxiation-strangulation-cop/

George Floyd's autopsy said that he didn't die of asphyxiation/strangulation but that it was a combination of heart disease and potential intoxicants in his system that were exacerbated by his forceful arrest.

With a state autopsy on his side, we can assume that the cop is likely to be acquitted, which will lead to even more rage and riots because at this point, why would anyone admit that they were wrong? Much easier to blame the Russians or whatever and get some more free shit.

It is disgusting how some people go out of their way to twist what is obviously unforgivable and to make justifications.
The guy could have been Osama Bin Laden or Hitler himself. The way the policemen in the video treated him is criminal, brutal and needlessly violent. That alone, regardless of whether anyone died, should have been enough to put away these police in jail for a while.
People like you are the reason why these riots are going on. Some people only seem to internalize the seriousness of events when they see CVS's burning on TV, the sad part is that rather than understanding the setting (and I am not saying what they are doing is right, it is in fact wrong) and why they act out the pain and anger (not to mention the provocateurs that just like chaos).

A word of warning, if you and people like yourself, continue to be tone-deaf, shit like this will continue to happen. At some point you guys are going to have to abandon the delusional ideas of reverse racism.

[Patrickov]

He was only arrested and charged after the riots had already been going on for some time.

Still better than some places who simply declare far-less-violent protests are potentially threats to "national security", without even doing anything to the police who abused their power.

[Julian658]

This is disgusting behaviour on your part, Julian.

A man has died. He died as a result of an extrajudicial killing by an officer of the state.

Despite the fact that the murder was caught on tape, the murderer was not charged and allowed to go free for quite some time. The initial autopsy by the police is an obvious attempt to get the murderer off the hook.

And here you are, whining about how black people are just pretending there is racism.

How many dead people do there have to be before you stop your racist claims that racism is not real?

POD: Racism is REAL!!!

However, multiculturalism, race identity politics, victimhood, etc leads to tribalism and the next step is violence. That is how it works all over the world.

The Democratic Party did great things in the 1960-70s. But, now we are entering a new era. IN the past the hurdles were different such as white only schools, bathrooms, water fountains for people of color, neighborhoods, etc. All of those walls have disappeared. Now the hurdles are more esoteric and not clearly delineated. There is a class divide and racial divide and it is a black and white thing. Other ethnicities in the middle seem to be doing just fine. However, the opposite ends of the spectrum do not see eye to eye.

Racism today is much less than 50 years ago, however, the perception of racism is at an alltime high. The young black people in this era feel more oppressed than their grandparents during the Jim Crow era. They are now seeking self segregation and hate everything about America. They are ripe for revolution and all they need is more easy to see palpable oppression like police brutality. The Democrats preach racism as this is their ticket to elected office and economic success.

Can you imagine what is like to be black and hearing the media and black leaders say "You are going nowhere because you are black". That is brutal bro!

[Beren]

The way the policemen in the video treated him is criminal, brutal and needlessly violent.

It's surreal, actually.

Surrealism was a cultural movement which developed in Europe in the aftermath of World War I and was largely influenced by Dada. The movement is best known for its visual artworks and writings and the juxtaposition of uncommon imagery. Artists painted unnerving, illogical scenes, sometimes with photographic precision, creating strange creatures from everyday objects, and developing painting techniques that allowed the unconscious to express itself. Its aim was, according to leader André Breton, to "resolve the previously contradictory conditions of dream and reality into an absolute reality, a super-reality", or surreality.

[Pants-of-dog]

POD: Racism is REAL!!!

However, multiculturalism, race identity politics, victimhood, etc leads to tribalism and the next step is violence. That is how it works all over the world.

The Democratic Party did great things in the 1960-70s. But, now we are entering a new era. IN the past the hurdles were different such as white only schools, bathrooms, water fountains for people of color, neighborhoods, etc. All of those walls have disappeared. Now the hurdles are more esoteric and not clearly delineated. There is a class divide and racial divide and it is a black and white thing. Other ethnicities in the middle seem to be doing just fine. However, the opposite ends of the spectrum do not see eye to eye.

Racism today is much less than 50 years ago, however, the perception of racism is at an alltime high. The young black people in this era feel more oppressed than their grandparents during the Jim Crow era. They are now seeking self segregation and hate everything about America. They are ripe for revolution and all they need is more easy to see palpable oppression like police brutality. The Democrats preach racism as this is their ticket to elected office and economic success.

Can you imagine what is like to be black and hearing the media and black leaders say "You are going nowhere because you are black". That is brutal bro!

And once again, you ignore the actual crimes by these police and what black people face.

You should stop repeating racist talking points.

Do you think George Floyd did not experience lethal levels of racism?

Do you think that the fact that this cop is the only cop ever in Minnesota history to be charged with killing a black person is not due to racism?

[Istanbuller]

It is absolutely police brutality. But I can't really say police are racially motivated in this case. It appears racist but there is no evidence he was.

Of course, leftists don't miss this chance to attack on private properties and people on streets.

My comment above certainly prevails.

Last couple days proved that leftist use this as an excuse to razing down private properties, people and cities. They already killed innocent people which some of them are police officers.

It is certainly safe to say that racist are less violent and more tolerable than leftists.

[Julian658]

And once again, you ignore the actual crimes by these police and what black people face.

You should stop repeating racist talking points.

Do you think George Floyd did not experience lethal levels of racism?

Do you think that the fact that this cop is the only cop ever in Minnesota history to be charged with killing a black person is not due to racism?

POD, I have little doubt the cop is racist. Do you think he intentionally killed George Floyd?
Yes, racism is real. How many times to I have to say this POD.
Do you think the cop wanted to kill George Floyd? Yes or no?

[Donna]

I don’t think any evidence would convince him or his comrades. From now on everyone must accept the designated political beliefs without question.

The thing is, 5 years ago people like Rei and Far Right Sage frequented the board. They were both card carrying facists and frequently did argue the case for racialist politics. So there were a lot of arguments about race. @noemon is trying to claim a change has happened. Well, it has, and due to Trump. The change is that the status quo has been challenged by popularism. It is not that people are arguing any more or any less about race politics.

A lot has in fact changed in 5 years. Charlottesville and Christchurch remain two pivotal watershed moments that have hastened the response of civil society (both online and offline) against white nationalism. The difference between 5 years ago and today is that the far-right has radicalized to such an extent that neo-Nazi violence parallels even Islamic extremism. It has become as odious as ISIL ideology.

The fact of the matter is that the progressives and the hard left have become more intolerant as their position of dominance has being undermined. That is what Noemon is really responding to. It is also why the other supposed anti-racists are harassing people so virulently. They want to reassert their dominance.

Nah, the overton window on anti-racist discourse shifted after nearly 15 years of far-right metastisization on 4chan and online gaming communities that culminated in the genesis of the Alt-Right.

What they seem to be incapable of understanding is that people voted for Trump exactly because of this hard left/progressive totalitarianism. So if they keep it up, then Trump will likely see a second term.

The "Meme War" is probably the dumbest myth about the 2016 election. It wasn't /pol/ or r/TheDonald that got Trump elected, but disaffected autoworkers (few of whom are supporting Trump any longer), blue dogs, and geriatric voters who have since died. A perfect storm of conditions at a unique historical interregnum put Trump over the line by a nose hair in 2016. It's highly unlikely that he will get away with it again. So much for kek magic.

[Patrickov]

I would be perfectly fine with CNN and every other cable news channel burning to the ground, they are all garbage.

As bad as they are, I would rather go after state propaganda machines around the world. Private entities can, in theory at least, be eliminated through totally lawful, ethical and civilised means.

[Pants-of-dog]

POD, I have little doubt the cop is racist. Do you think he intentionally killed George Floyd?
Yes, racism is real. How many times to I have to say this POD.
Do you think the cop wanted to kill George Floyd? Yes or no?

So your previous claim that blacks have PTSD is wrong.

instead, we have real contemporary examples of lethal racism in the USA.

Have you ever worried for your life when interacting with a police officer?

[The Sabbaticus]

On average more white people are shot by cops than black people. There was another 'death by asphyxiation' case involving a white victim. The racialization of police activity within predominantly black communities is overplayed. Many of these districts are run by Democrats, with the police force being more diverse than a Netflix show.

[Julian658]

So your previous claim that blacks have PTSD is wrong.

instead, we have real contemporary examples of lethal racism in the USA.

Have you ever worried for your life when interacting with a police officer?

POD:

Racism PTSD is real and is the result of previous racist experiences.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... m-and-ptsd
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... ions-dsm-5


Racial trauma may merit a DSM-5 diagnosis of PTSD when there is an identifiable index trauma (Criterion A), re-experiencing of the trauma (Criterion B), avoidance of trauma reminders (Criterion C), negative mood/cognitions (Criterion D), and hyperarousal (Criterion E).
https://www.apa.org/pubs/highlights/spotlight/issue-128
https://www.apa.org/pubs/highlights/spotlight/issue-128

The issue with racism PTSD is that the patient experiences massive symptoms of racism with subtle stimuli. Overtime this is debilitating and certainly devastating when watching a cop brutalizing George Floyd.

You did not answer the question.

Do you think the racist cop killed George Floyd on purpose? Did he intend to kill Mr Floyd. Just give me a "yes or no" answer.

[Julian658]

On average more white people are shot by cops than black people. There was another 'death by asphyxiation' case involving a white victim. The racialization of police activity within predominantly black communities is overplayed. Many of these districts are run by Democrats, with the police force being more diverse than a Netflix show.

That is true. Cops routinely brutalize white people too. However, there is racism PTSD among many in the black community and this is devastating. I blame the Democrats for this.

Here is a blond nordic murdered by a white cop.

[blackjack21]

How many times did you jack off to the video in the OP?

Zero. I haven't even watched it yet. I've seen pictures of the scene though.

Arresting a Black reporter in broad daylight. That is also new.

But it's happening by police forces controlled by Democratic party mayors. How do you suppose they are all taking their cues from Donald Trump?

Because Biden's Obama's man, that's all he really is.

Biden voted for the Clinton crime bill that put so many black people in jail.

:lol: The autopsy is a fraud. The evidence of the way he was killed is obvious and saying it was due to heart disease or intoxication is simply ridiculous, and only a fool would believe that kind of malarky.

So you're saying the Democrat political machine is lying?

You can pretend that arresting Black journalists live on TV is not a "new thing" and that such an empirical observation calling it "new" lacks scientific backing, but we both(well actually all of us in here) know why you are doing it and why you are pretending not to see the obvious and very cold reality.

In my view, the interesting thing is that the police in big cities are controlled by the Democratic party political machine. Yet, nobody dares to criticize the Democrats.

And it's not just a matter of looks, it is substantially sinister what you are doing because you are effectively defending the racist status quo, you are saying, "no need to panic, no need to change anything, that is all nothing new, just move along".

The media will cover for the Democrats. That's what they do. There will be no change, because nobody is seriously going to challenge the moral standing of the Democrat party.

But that does not mean that the past 5 years it has not got worse, a lot worse, it does not mean that Trump was not elected because of a white supremacy base that wanted to denormalise Obama(a Black in office). This was the point of electing Trump, to denormalise Black people, to put them back in their place at the back of the bus.

So you think a Democrat run state and a Democrat run city decided to become racists, because they were inspired by Donald Trump to that end? Is that really your conclusion? Might it be that the Democrats have a long history of racism and the media continually covers for them?

It's normal faking coroner reports to protect nazi scum, normal to choke them like animals in broad daylight, and normal for you to sit here arguing that "there is nothing to see here". It is normal but it shouldn't be.

It's normal, because it is not challenged where it happens--in big cities controlled by the Democrat party. You are incensed by all of this, but you seem to think that the POTUS somehow controls local police forces in big cities. Not so. The POTUS doesn't control coroners offices in big cities either. That's all Democrat pay-to-play political featherbedding.

Murdering racist apologists. That's all you guys are, @Wulfschilde.

Really? It's a Democrat controlled state, Democrat controlled county, Democrat controlled city. It seems the entire establishment is apologizing for it, because nobody will acknowledge the fact that this sort of thing happens primarily in places controlled by Democrats.

or the classic, "the IQ says your group is overall not as intelligent and the money follows the IQ."

The high correlation of IQ and income distribution is well established and statistically a very defensible position. The Bell Curve was not saying, "Black people are dumb." It was saying that not everybody is equipped for a collegiate education (i.e., STEM degrees). It noted IQ distributions in one chapter of the book, and the liberals went nuts over it. Instead of addressing that reality, colleges now offer worthless degrees that leave poor people indebted and without solid job prospects.

@noemon I understand that you dont blatant racism but you cant change people thoughts some of us are racists and we cant help but express our subtle racism and its not going to change
if you dont like it just ban all of us racists and let this forum become a leftist circlejerk just like some subreddits

That doesn't change the issue, because it doesn't start with Donald Trump and the Republicans. They literally have no political power in big cities. The big cities are run almost exclusively by Democrats, and the Democrats are expert at blaming their own behavior on Republicans, white people, racists, the rich, etc. as if they were pure as the wind-driven snow.

Despite the fact that the murder was caught on tape, the murderer was not charged and allowed to go free for quite some time. The initial autopsy by the police is an obvious attempt to get the murderer off the hook.

The police do not conduct autopsies. That's the county government, which is also controlled by Democrats.

The Democrats preach racism as this is their ticket to elected office and economic success.

Yes, but where do these problems occur? In places controlled almost exclusively by Democrats. Their belief in their moral superiority is unfounded.

Do you think that the fact that this cop is the only cop ever in Minnesota history to be charged with killing a black person is not due to racism?

If we can agree that Amy Klobuchar, a Democrat who let Derek Chauvin off the hook in the past is a racist, then we can agree that racism--particularly in the Democrat party establishment--is why these cops have never been charged for killing black people.

Do you think the cop wanted to kill George Floyd? Yes or no?

No. I don't think there was a mens rea intent to kill, but Chauvin's actions do represent a reckless disregard for the safety and well being of someone in police custody, and that is a sufficient basis for a criminal charge of manslaughter or alternatively third degree murder.

The difference between 5 years ago and today is that the far-right has radicalized to such an extent that neo-Nazi violence parallels even Islamic extremism. It has become as odious as ISIL ideology.

Oh come on. Where have you seen neo-Nazis beheading people and throwing people off of buildings? What you see are people who have had enough of being called racists while the establishment sends industry overseas and floods the workplace with illegal aliens willing to under cut wages of former union employees.

[Unthinking Majority]

Like I said, you don't know anything about black organizing and black activism. More pointedly, you don't know anything about black political consciousness. So far in this thread you have consistently infantilized black people as having a perpetual behavioral deficit in comparison to everyone else. Every fucking excuse you produce for white exceptionalism is woven into a bullshit narrative about black criminality. You're accused of being a racist because you are a racist. There is no other way to describe the racial double standards you possess.

You think people who don't subscribe to your narrative are racist. You think every god damn bad outcome that's ever happened to a black person in America is because of racism.

The difference between you and I is that you see a black man dealing drugs and you see a victim, while I see a victim and also someone who needs to stop the horseshit and get their act together. Is that "infantizing" people? If you act like an idiot, I'm going to say you're acting like an idiot. People have barriers, they also have free will. This isn't simply a message of blame, it's a message of agency and hope. You're not a slave to your shitty circumstances. If you have a cop put a knee on your throat, yes you're a victim that's not your fault. If you get knocked up at 16 and then drop out of school & are poor the rest of your life as a result that's your fault, you're a victim of your own bad choices.