noemon wrote:This is absolutely ridiculous and is not convincing anybody. The US Justice system is allergic to prosecuting police committing murders against Black people. Are you seriously trying to deny this reality?
You do realize that they are usually let off by juries right? Prosecutors do their jobs, press charges and during the trials the jurors let them off. This has been changing recently but that's how the cops would get away with homicide.
noemon wrote:Violence is the only way to bring change in the American society and as Saeko already said, they should take their cues from the pro-Trump anti-lockdown protestors who showed up armed to the teeth downtown. As previously pointed out, right-wingers keep making the point that holding guns is their constitutional right to protect themselves from an unjust government. As such, people have a constitutional right to start shooting until Justice is served and the system changes to accommodate Justice for Black people.
If the American far left decides violence is the only way to change American society, that's exactly what they'll get: The very same far right protesters you mentioned will show up, and we know what comes next.
That's not to mention basically everyone else who gets caught in-between. And justice will most certainly not be served, not for African Americans or for anyone else for that matter since mob rule doesn't provide justice.
What you are saying amounts to an imposition on all Americans and I can guarantee that the right will regard itself as within its own 2nd amendment rights to start hunting far leftists for a sport. It's no different from themselves attempting to impose on the rest as they once tried to do during the Civil Rights Movement, back when violence to stop court-ordered school integration came from the right, and we all know how that went for them.
noemon wrote:You 're wishful thinking and playing reverse psychology but even if it* is better for Trump, nobody should care.
Why would I, a Latin American noncitizen living in the USA in 2020, want a second Trump administration? This isn't wishful thinking, I'm scared. Presumably that's how you felt with Brexit and BoJo's election, is it?
noemon wrote: This is about the fact that Black Lives Matter, and they do. Nobody should sleep well in America until Black Lives truly matter.
Black lives should truly matter for the system, but how will violence accomplish it? How will a Trump reelection will get anywhere close to it?
noemon wrote:A Trump re-election would fracture the USA permanently, that would be the Thermidorean reaction you are looking for.
The Thermidorean Reaction I'm hoping for is going back into having someone who isn't a populist in the White House. He doesn't even need to be a genius, just not a populist. But the one the USA may get is one where a populist is reelected under a law and order platform, an issue that shouldn't be there but that will be exclusively due to what's happening now. This may or may not cause a racial fracture in the US (I'm honestly not sure), but it will severely damage it in many other ways (he's easily the most corrupt US presidents since Harding).
Rugoz wrote:That is a rather naive view though. I think this trial will end in an acquittal like similar trials before, I would be willing to bet money on that. They charged him with murder to calm down the situation.
I don't know. Here in Chicago there was also a case during the BLM era (the Laquan McDonald shooting) that ended up with a
second-degree murder and battery conviction a couple of years ago. I think that had indeed at least something to do with the BLM movement affecting how jurors - who are usually the ones who let these people go - see these things.
Building a better case obviously makes it way, way more likely that Chauvin will indeed be convicted by a jury as well. And to do that the very first step is to charge him properly, and to do that the prosecutors need to review the evidence. I also think that if it's true that Chauvin and Floyd worked together, then part of the investigation will have to determine whether they knew each other and if they had any conflicts. If so, the charges are likely to get to first or second degree murder.
But something that cannot and should not happen is to have the mob do justice by its own hand instead.