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By Pants-of-dog
#15095967
Wulfschilde wrote:I've been trying to figure out the spectrum on this whole looting and burning thing. It seems clear that most people will not like it but this is PoFo, so that point is being heavily contested and as such, I've decided to think it over.

So, most people are naturally apolitical. I believe they can be forced to care about politics but even then, I don't think that turns them into one of the zealots. Rather, I think they get into politics with the goal of having an "exit strategy" which will allow them to go back to not having to care about politics anymore.

So people who are against the pillaging are still against it and people who are for it are still for it. But what about those who were apolitical about it? They will likely want whatever is the quickest and easiest fix. And I think that Trump and the usual "law and order" or "jobs not mobs" dialogue is what can offer that.


Based on your post, I would assume that Trump is going to lose almost any black person who voted for him, and a lot of fence sitters. Mostly because of the whole “refusing to denounce a cop killing an unarmed and handcuffed man.

Trump will solidify his hold on racist killer cops, and people who apparently look the other way when cops kills unarmed people, but focus intently on property damage.
By Doug64
#15095994
It looks like the rioters are trying to increase Trump’s Jewish vote, as well.

Violent protests in Los Angeles tear through Jewish neighborhood

    After protests that stemmed from the death of George Floyd descended into violence, vandalism and looting tore through Los Angeles on Saturday, sweeping a number of Jewish businesses and synagogues into the wake of destruction.

    The day started peacefully, with thousands of people gathered to demonstrate against police brutality and systemic racism in Pan Pacific Park, in the historically Jewish Fairfax-La Brea area and the site of the Los Angeles Museum of the Holocaust.

    But the protests were ultimately subsumed in a pitch of smoke and broken glass. Police officers fired tear gas and rubber bullets into retreating crowds, civilians torched patrol cars, and people broke into the stores that line Fairfax and Melrose, trendy retail streets that cut through one of the city’s largest Jewish neighborhoods.

    Video circulating on WhatsApp Saturday evening showed Ariel Glatt Kosher Market, a grocery on La Brea Boulevard, with its windows smashed in, several shelves emptied, and wares dumped across the floor. “All the liquor gone,” a person can be heard saying.

    The wall outside Congregation Beth Israel, a historic synagogue on Beverly Boulevard that now only sometimes holds services, was spray-painted “FREE PALESTINE.”

    Rabbi Moshe Pinto was on his way to the Baba Sale shul on Fairfax Avenue Saturday afternoon with several of his students for mincha services. Shavuot, the Jewish holiday which began May 28, marked the first time Baba Sale had hosted prayer services since the statewide shelter-in-place order was instituted in March.

    But Rabbi Pinto was unable to see as far as the building, let alone make it to the door, as the group was blocked by a mass of civilians and police that were fighting for control of the street. Fairfax Avenue, which also abuts the Grove shopping mall, appeared to be the epicenter of looting activity.

    Some of the civilians, he said, hurled epithets at the group, and one person threw a stick at one of his students.

    “It was like looking at antisemitism, but in a time of rage,” Pinto said.

    The group spent the rest of the evening locked in one of the students’ homes, waiting out the unrest.
By Pants-of-dog
#15095999
Doug64 wrote:It looks like the rioters are trying to increase Trump’s Jewish vote, as well.

Violent protests in Los Angeles tear through Jewish neighborhood

    After protests that stemmed from the death of George Floyd descended into violence, vandalism and looting tore through Los Angeles on Saturday, sweeping a number of Jewish businesses and synagogues into the wake of destruction.

    The day started peacefully, with thousands of people gathered to demonstrate against police brutality and systemic racism in Pan Pacific Park, in the historically Jewish Fairfax-La Brea area and the site of the Los Angeles Museum of the Holocaust.

    But the protests were ultimately subsumed in a pitch of smoke and broken glass. Police officers fired tear gas and rubber bullets into retreating crowds, civilians torched patrol cars, and people broke into the stores that line Fairfax and Melrose, trendy retail streets that cut through one of the city’s largest Jewish neighborhoods.

    Video circulating on WhatsApp Saturday evening showed Ariel Glatt Kosher Market, a grocery on La Brea Boulevard, with its windows smashed in, several shelves emptied, and wares dumped across the floor. “All the liquor gone,” a person can be heard saying.

    The wall outside Congregation Beth Israel, a historic synagogue on Beverly Boulevard that now only sometimes holds services, was spray-painted “FREE PALESTINE.”

    Rabbi Moshe Pinto was on his way to the Baba Sale shul on Fairfax Avenue Saturday afternoon with several of his students for mincha services. Shavuot, the Jewish holiday which began May 28, marked the first time Baba Sale had hosted prayer services since the statewide shelter-in-place order was instituted in March.

    But Rabbi Pinto was unable to see as far as the building, let alone make it to the door, as the group was blocked by a mass of civilians and police that were fighting for control of the street. Fairfax Avenue, which also abuts the Grove shopping mall, appeared to be the epicenter of looting activity.

    Some of the civilians, he said, hurled epithets at the group, and one person threw a stick at one of his students.

    “It was like looking at antisemitism, but in a time of rage,” Pinto said.

    The group spent the rest of the evening locked in one of the students’ homes, waiting out the unrest.


There are almost certainly many Jews among the people who have been shot by police using rubber bullets against peaceful protesters in LA over the last few days.

Vandalism and thievery are not actually violence against people, while the police shootings are.

So this should resonate with that portion of the US electorate that condones police violence but draws the line at wrecking stuff.
By Doug64
#15096003
And some on the Left, at least, are worried about what this does for Trump’s election chances in Minnesota as well, and more than just Trump:

The most volatile swing state of all

    Minnesota, the longtime Democratic presidential stronghold that Donald Trump nearly won in 2016, has suddenly become ground zero in a campaign that already promised to inflame racial and cultural divides.

    The shock waves from the brutal death of George Floyd in police custody on Monday are forcing a reckoning on the issue of police violence against African Americans — a debate whose political implications reach far beyond the swing state’s borders.

    Within Minnesota, there are already discussions about the potential impact on several competitive congressional races. Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s history as a local prosecutor is suddenly under heightened scrutiny, leading to widespread speculation that the events are likely to dim her prospects of becoming presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden’s vice presidential running mate.
    Outside the state, the president’s caustic remarks about protesters and the mayor of Minneapolis quickly underscored the political dimensions of the unrest, and the likelihood that it would become the next cultural wedge issue — another point of contention in the urban-rural divide that stands to define the November election.

    For some Republicans, it was an opportunity to light into Democratic-led cities and appeal to the GOP’s law-and-order supporters. To many Democrats, it was the latest evidence of the structural racism that infects the system and the need to confront it with aggressive political action — beginning with the ouster of a president whose rhetoric has frequently inflamed tensions.

    Mike Erlandson, a former chairman of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, said he watched with his 15-year-old daughter in Minnesota this week as a man spray-painted on a wall, “F--k the white people from the suburbs.”

    “I do think that, particularly if this continues, the [congressional] districts like Dean Phillips’ district or Angie Craig’s district that right now I would say are relatively safe for the Democratic incumbent, could be very much in play,” he said. “Both of those districts will be decided in large part by suburban women voters, and it would be hard for me to imagine those people aren’t watching this scared, like everybody else, for their family and for their children.”

    The president, who has repeatedly insisted he’ll win Minnesota in 2020, quickly seized on the chaos to revisit his criticisms of big city Democratic leadership.

    “I can’t stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis. A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right,” Trump tweeted Friday.

    Trump’s reference to a “radical left mayor” was particularly resonant in Minnesota, whose political fault lines are felt most deeply between the liberal Twin Cities and a sea of red in much of the surrounding farmland and on the Iron Range.

    In 2016, Trump won 78 of the state’s 87 counties. Hillary Clinton’s narrow, 45,000-vote victory was powered by the population-rich Minneapolis-St. Paul area.

    Javier Morillo, a Democratic strategist and former president of the Service Employees International Union Local 26, let out a groan Friday in response to Trump’s remarks.

    “It’s lawless cities versus the real America — that’s the story they want to tell, anyway,” he said. “So that’s the dangerous territory … That’s the story they tell every election cycle in Minnesota, and frankly, that’s the story that almost won Minnesota for Trump four years ago, by building up turnout in the rest of the state, and our urban turnout being depressed.”

    He said, “That’s the political danger.”

    Minnesota is not crucial to Trump’s reelection prospects. But it is one of the few offensive opportunities he has to win a state he lost in 2016, and he has invested heavily there.

    Though a Star Tribune/MPR News/KARE 11 poll last weekend showed Trump lagging Biden by 5 percentage points, he had improved his standing significantly from October, when he was down 12 percentage points, and he is beating Biden in Minnesota’s rural areas and among male voters.

    Even a marginal shift in the electorate in Minnesota could prove significant, not only in the presidential race, but in several House contests there. There are Phillips and Craig, two first-term Democratic representatives from suburban districts. But in rural, western Minnesota, House Agriculture Chairman Collin Peterson, a Democrat, is attempting to hang onto a seat that has become increasingly conservative in recent years — every county in his district voted for Trump, many by landslide margins.

    This week, Republicans in Minnesota pounced on Tim Walz, the Democratic governor, and Frey, the Minneapolis mayor. Days of protests saw boarded-up storefronts and the closure of public transportation systems in the area. On Thursday, protesters set fire to the 3rd Precinct Minneapolis police station.

    Jennifer Carnahan, chairwoman of the Minnesota Republican Party, said on Twitter that Walz and Frey had “failed us all.”

    “I think the Democrats are going to pay dearly for this,” said Ted Lovdahl, chairman of the Republican Party in Minnesota’s 8th Congressional District.

    While Trump claimed his tweets had been misinterpreted, Biden said Friday that he was “furious” with Trump. Democrats moved to balance calls for order while aligning themselves with people of color, a significant part of the Democratic Party’s base. The video of an officer kneeling on Floyd’s neck had painful historic and political resonance, conjuring past episodes of police violence against African Americans as well as the culture wars of a previous election cycle surrounding Colin Kaepernick’s taking a knee during the national anthem.

    “This is serious,” a local pastor said at a rally Friday, addressing people who he said were upset about Kaepernick but not by the “knee on that man’s neck.”

    Democrats had expected Floyd’s death and concerns about racism and police use of force to dominate the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party’s state convention over the weekend, a virtual event that Biden was scheduled to keynote.

    But by Friday, with the weight of Floyd’s death and unrest in Minnesota growing heavier, the state party announced that it was postponing the speaking and training portion of the convention.

    Ken Martin, the party chairman, said in a prepared statement that it “was the only appropriate course of action given the grief and anger gripping much of our state and nation.” Instead of convening, he said, the party will “support the efforts of black-led organizations and community organizations on the ground that are doing the work of addressing racial injustice.”

One thing the Trump campaign can do is point out everything he’s done for Blacks through his first term, while highlighting Black business owners that fought all their lives to lift themselves up only to see their lives’ work destroyed in a night by rioting, looting thugs—and ask where the Democrat-controlled governments were for them. The other Republican campaigns aren’t, it seems to me, in as good a position to capitalize on it, so will probably focus on the “lawless cities/Real America” divide mentioned in the article.
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By Drlee
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One thing the Trump campaign can do is point out everything he’s done for Blacks through his first term,


:lol: :lol: :lol: :knife:
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By Hindsite
#15096163
jimjam wrote:Image

this is your great America trump …… own it!

That is not because of Trump, but because of Antifa and Black Lives Matter and the Left-wing radicals.
Vote Trump and Republicans 2020.
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By jimjam
#15096391
Hindsite wrote:That is not because of Trump, but because of Antifa and Black Lives Matter and the Left-wing radicals.


I hear that the Scranton, Pa. P.T.A. was also present in all 80 cities where riots occurred in addition to London …. :eek: YIKES!

Has Donald EVER taken responsibility for ANYTHING that has gone wrong? Seems like he has no back bone whatsoever.
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By Hindsite
#15096541
President Trump says Democrat mayors of the cities overrun by rioting and looting are weak on law enforcement.

He called for governors to use the National Guard to bring out enough troops to "dominate the streets" and called for mayors and governors to establish an "overwhelming presence" on the streets to counteract rioting and looting.

He said that if mayors and governors did not do so, he would deploy military troops to do so. Media outlets reported today that Trump is considering invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807, which would permit the president to send military troops to respond to rioting and looting in American cities.
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By Drlee
#15096606
He said that if mayors and governors did not do so, he would deploy military troops to do so. Media outlets reported today that Trump is considering invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807, which would permit the president to send military troops to respond to rioting and looting in American cities.


He can't.

You do not understand the law or the subsequent laws that prevent him from doing it.

But you are not a conservative. A conservative believes in states rights and has at least read the constitution. This is just another lie being told to appeal to people far to unintelligent and/or to uneducated to understand.
By Doug64
#15097062
Drlee wrote:He can't.

You do not understand the law or the subsequent laws that prevent him from doing it.

He can, using the 1807 Insurrection Act. And if that seems like an old law, the last time it was invoked was by Bush I in response to the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

In other news, I wonder if this will get as much play in the MSM(D) as George Floyd’s murder: St. Louis police captain killed by looters at pawn shop: report. Even though there’s also video on Facebook of his death, I kinda doubt it, a Black retired police officer being murdered by rioting looters while trying to protect his friend’s business doesn’t fit their “America Racist Orange Man Bad” narrative and might actually help elect Trump.

And for some news actually dealing with the 2020 elections and showing what Republicans think of White Nationalism and racism:

Controversial Rep. Steve King loses Iowa GOP primary battle

    Rep. Steve King, the controversial nine-term Republican congressman from Iowa, lost a heavily contested primary race on Tuesday night to a well-funded state Sen. Randy Feenstra.

    King’s loss in Iowa’s Republican primary contest marks the beginning of the end for the provocative lawmaker who for years had been a conservative lightning rod in Washington for his hardline views on issues ranging from immigration to abortion.

    Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel tweeted early Wednesday that King's "white supremacist rhetoric is totally inconsistent with the Republican Party, and I'm glad Iowa Republicans rejected him at the ballot."

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., tweeted, "Goodbye, Rep. Steve King. You are certainly not the only white supremacist in federal government, but you were among the most prominent. It’s a shame Republicans held you up as long as they did."

    The Iowa Republican has more recently become a pariah in his own party as more mainstream GOP lawmakers distanced themselves from his more extreme views and statements.

    King was stripped of his committee assignments in 2018 for comments appearing to question the criticism of white nationalism.

    In November 2018, King drew a strong rebuke from the chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee after comments relating to white nationalists and supremacists.

    King had publicly endorsed a white nationalist candidate for mayor in Toronto. The candidate, Faith Goldy, has promoted books espousing anti-Semitic ideas and defending the white supremacist “14 words” slogan, according to the Toronto Star.

    He also faced backlash for comments questioning whether humanity would exist anymore if not for rape and incest throughout history.

    "What if we went back through all the family trees and just pulled out anyone who was a product of rape or incest? Would there be any population of the world left if we did that?" King said last August at the Westside Conservative Club in Urbandale, Iowa, according to the Des Moines Register. "Considering all the wars and all the rapes and pillages that happened throughout all these different nations, I know that I can't say that I was not a part of a product of that."

    King also has drawn criticism for posts on Twitter, such as in 2017 when he wrote that “culture and demographics are our destiny” and said we “can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies.”

    And in September 2018, King came under renewed scrutiny after traveling to Austria and giving an interview in which he said: “If we don't defend Western Civilization, then we will become subjugated by the people who are the enemies of faith, the enemies of justice.”

    In 2013, he commented that while he has some sympathy for some undocumented immigrants, "they aren't all valedictorians, they weren't all brought in by their parents -- for everyone who's a valedictorian, there's another 100 out there who weigh 130 pounds and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they're hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert."

    In a statement sent out shortly after his victory, Feenstra thanked King for his time in Congress and said he was focused on keeping the seat away from the Democrats come November.

    “I thank Congressman King for his decades of public service,” he said. “As we turn to the General Election, I will remain focused on my plans to deliver results for the families, farmers and communities of Iowa. But first, we must make sure this seat doesn’t land in the hands of Nancy Pelosi and her liberal allies in Congress.”

    The rejection of King does not mean that the Democrats are assured of picking up another seat in Congress come November, as establishment Republicans suggest the state's lone GOP-held U.S. House seat will likely remain in the party's hands with Feenstra’s win, while a King primary victory would have jeopardized the seat by setting up a rematch with the Democrat who came within 2 percentage points of beating him two years ago.

    King was also vastly outspent by Feenstra and conservative groups backing him, including one-time King backer National Right to Life, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the nation's largest business lobbying group.

    Feenstra will face Democrat J.D. Scholten in November.
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By jimjam
#15097356
Trump’s photo op was “urged” by daughter Ivanka.

And there, fellow citizens, is the crux of one of the worst, most unethical, upsetting, lowly, ungodly days in our American history. A reality show hostess prompts dear old dad to shine as a theatrical star, with a Bible, no less, in the midst of a national injustice crisis; prompting dad to strut down the street while all the king’s horses and men try to demonize and physically harm innocent protestors in Washington DC.

Please, America, do your job on November 3rd this year and cast away these Trump creatures from our government, from our White House. Put an end to any further history of them forcing themselves on us. They have done enough damage. Our country can’t afford any further Trump demolition. We are a global laughing stock because of them.

It will take time to heal, but without them, it is possible.
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By jimjam
#15097359
Today's top point of gibberish from our mentally ill "president":

“If they don’t get their act straightened out, I will solve it,” Mr. Trump said, without offering details :lol: . “I’ll solve it fast.”

I recall that he's also fixing our healthcare system "fast." Oh, and he's going to fix the North Korea situation "fast." I believe the only thing he does fast is fast food.

“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try,” Former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said in a statement. “Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.”
By wat0n
#15097372
Interestingly, there doesn't seem to be such a large change in the election polling trends just yet - I think we might need to wait until we know the effect of the current events on Trump's reelection (hopefully, Biden will unseat him but now I'm not so optimistic), but so far Biden is still clearly ahead:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... t-general/

Likewise, Trump's approval and disapproval ratings seem to be more less in line with those throughout his administration for now:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... id=irpromo
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By Hindsite
#15097498
jimjam wrote:Trump’s photo op was “urged” by daughter Ivanka.

I agree that was a smart move to show solidarity and support for Christians. I did not know that his beautiful and intelligent daughter "urged" the President to have the photo with him holding up the Holy Bible in front of that historic church that rioters attempted to burn down. But as a Christian, I am glad he took her advice to stand up for good and against the evils of this world.
Praise the Lord.
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By jimjam
#15097514
Senator Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, said she endorsed scathing criticism of President Trump’s leadership by James Mattis, the former secretary of defense. “I thought General Mattis’s words were true and honest and necessary and overdue,” she said.

OMG :eek: ! A disobedient Republican ………. Stay tuned as Don The Con attempts to tweet her to death later today :lol: .
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By jimjam
#15097825
Depressing to think that Tom Cotton is a US Senator, though not as depressing as realizing the Trump is the POTUS and McConnell is Majority Leader in the Senate.

Our country is becoming more and more pitiful, day by day. No wonder Putin invested in our elections.
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By JohnRawls
#15097829
Recent weeks have been a parody of some kind of disfunctional vision of the United States: Republicans who fap daily to the constitution are eager to forsake it, POTUS who is supposed to serve the people is actually taking a dump on them, Pro-gun people who previously said "GUNS ARE FREEDOM and safeguard against Tyranny" are lining up to suppress the protesters in the front ranks while the military is cowering in the corner saying things like "PLEASE, PLEASE do not use us to suppress the rioters because it is wrong".... WoW what a stern leadership example of true discipline, courage and self-sacrifice for the country. US national guard and military, take a look at the Navy: The carrier commander took a career hit to save his subordinates. The army and national guard are unable or unwilling to do the same. That sure shows which branch is far superior :excited:
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By Donna
#15097832
JohnRawls wrote:Recent weeks have been a parody of some kind of disfunctional vision of the United States: Republicans who fap daily to the constitution are eager to forsake it, POTUS who is supposed to serve the people is actually taking a dump on them, Pro-gun people who previously said "GUNS ARE FREEDOM and safeguard against Tyranny" are lining up to suppress the protesters in the front ranks while the military is cowering in the corner saying things like "PLEASE, PLEASE do not use us to suppress the rioters because it is wrong".... WoW what a stern leadership example of true discipline, courage and self-sacrifice for the country. US national guard and military, take a look at the Navy: The carrier commander took a career hit to save his subordinates. The army and national guard are unable or unwilling to do the same. That sure shows which branch is far superior :excited:


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