The Sabbaticus wrote:There is a whole roster of former FBI agents on the payroll of the MSM channels that are constantly saying what the MSM channels want them to say. No one takes these hacks, seriously. We've got three years of 'Russian collusion' palaver to sideline these people permanently. Also, lol@alertnet taking the word of establishment figures when it strategically benefits them.
The spinning is beginning...
Minneapolis mayor says 'white supremacists,' 'out of state instigators' behind protests, but arrests show different storyMinneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said Saturday that officials think "white supremacists" and "out-of-state instigators" could be behind the protests in the wake of George Floyd’s death, but a report showed that "about 86 percent" of arrests so far are mostly of in-state residents.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz also said Saturday that the majority of the protestors arrested were from outside Minneapolis and sought to take advantage of the chaos.
I can believe outside of Minneapolis proper, but the idea that 80% are from out of state is stretching it pretty thin.
"We are now confronting white supremacists, members of organized crime, out of state instigators, and possibly even foreign actors to destroy and destabilize our city and our region," Frey had tweeted Saturday.
He sure sounds a little bit paranoid. It brings a little smile to my face.
In a tweet posted Saturday, a person who appears to be Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison can be seen with a copy of "Antifa, the Anti-Fascist Handbook."
This ^^^ and this vvv
They promote this stuff, and then it "blows up in their face" or so we're meant to believe.
SpecialOlympian wrote:Also lol @ blackjack being a total boomer who just quotes a bunch of folks 12 hours later in his desperate bid for relevance and attention.
I actually work for a living and then engage in recreation. This is my hobby when I find the news too boring. Why aren't you calling for an end to this "black murder porn" thread?
XogGyux wrote:Trump is not the direct cause of everything but he is without a doubt making racial/xenophobic tensions escalate in the US and even the world. He is as much a symptom of the problem as well as a multiplier of said problem.
Trump has focused on two things: outsourcing to China and illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America driving wages down. It has widespread appeal among the working classes for very obvious reasons--even among black workers. It is also not something without a foundation in fact. He's not just making shit up out of thin air. Nobody would believe it if that were the case, and he never would have won. Trump won because, as Ann Coulter put it, he was the only one willing to bend over and pick up a $1000 bill.
XogGyux wrote:And the stress response was caused by what?
The effects of the arrest and restriction of blood flow I would assume.
XogGyux wrote:Look, this is the issue with you guys trying to make up excuses. Even if he had not died, the way that he was treated alone is criminal.
I'm not making excuses for Chauvin's behavior. I'm saying you have to charge it correctly and prosecute it correctly to get a conviction. I don't know shit about Minnesota law, but in California you get one bite at the apple. That's why Rodney King's perpetrators beat the state charges, even though they were eventually convicted on civil rights charges. Don't kid yourself. The establishment will try to work you into a dither to get this guy off on the charges if they aren't charged correctly or prosecuted correctly.
XogGyux wrote:If the guy were still alive with his family this was still criminal.
I don't disagree with you. I'm saying you have the Democrat urban establishment to contend with, and it's not going to change because they will blame this on Trump for political reasons knowing full well that Trump had virtually nothing to do with it.
XogGyux wrote:If he had sued the police and gotten 400000 billion dollars, this was still criminal
Yes, a tort would imply a criminal wrong as a matter of gross negligence too.
XogGyux wrote:And of course, lets not even mention the countless other times that shit like this happens, many of which have been caught on video and still takes ages for the victims to get any sort of justice/closure and let's not even talk about the ones that are not caught on video, audio or some sort of witness, those go largely ignored.
Dude, quite a bit of the criminal justice system is just plain rigged. However, that's the way the establishment wants it and the electorate tolerates it. Do you think you get a fair trial in traffic court in a first instance proceeding where the judge acts as judge, jury and prosecutor? No. Obviously not.
XogGyux wrote:Now to the other point, I think it is highly unlikely that a 41 year old, despite any other health condition that he might have, that his death is not directly related to the treatment that he received.
Well, now you're hitting on why it doesn't get prosecuted, and why it still occurred even after the Eric Garner incident.
XogGyux wrote:Maybe there is a minuscule, almost lightning striking twice in the same place kind of event, that he would have died anyway from a health condition that day, and maybe if he was treated with a pinch of decency this would not have happened.
Oh, I have no doubt he would have lived had he just been put in the car after being cuffed.
XogGyux wrote: Instead, by covering with excuses and inaction they have virtually guaranteed that no punishment (even if adequate/reasonable) will satisfy the mob... Nobody will get justice after this.
Welcome to establishment politics, and why I no longer consider myself owing them any allegiance.
XogGyux wrote:You seem to be trying to make a lot of emphasis on this. If I hang you, and you die by lack of circulation to the brain is it any different that if you die by breaking your neck, or if the rope is too long and the fall too high if you die by decapitation? The end result is the same, I killed you...
Yes, because people get off on charges like those made by Pants-of-dog--strangulation, asphyxiation, etc. You only need to make a general charge that you can sustain. Once you get down to the nitty gritty, you have to get it right or it can be successfully rebutted by the defense. So simply saying that the knee on his neck was an unnecessary use of force, induced stress and triggered a cascade of health-related issues that would not have occurred had the officer not unnecessarily placed a knee on Floyd's neck along with some of the officer's substantial body weight. That's all you have to do. You don't have to work yourself into a dither and claim he was choked to death.
XogGyux wrote:So unless an independent pathologist somehow comes to say, hey... this guy died from a bomb that he swallowed 3 days prior and happen to go off at the same time, it will be highly unlikely that any decent medical-legal witness will not be able to directly link it to the way that he was treated. And again, even if he had not died, or there is definite proof that he died of something else, it still would not clear these cops of the way they criminally treated him.
So stop with the nonsense.
If Floyd had not died, the most Chauvin would have faced is excessive use of force. Then, you have to address prosecutor politicians like Amy Klobuchar who let Chauvin off in the past. That's what I'm saying. Instead of focusing on someone who could have, and probably should have done something--namely, Amy Klobuchar--you are focusing on Trump's tweets as though they somehow bear on a local police case when Trump has no police power, in a Democrat run city, in a Democrat run county, in a Democrat run state. You are going way out of your way not to name the political party that is in charge when this stuff happens.
Let me help you out. Here is a list of the mayors of the 50 largest cities in the United States:
List of mayors of the 50 largest cities in the United StatesBlaming this stuff on Republicans is what Democrats and their media lackeys do to cover their own crimes. This is why it is not going to change, because voters are not going to change. Even black voters who are literally under the boots of these people are going to keep voting for them. That is the Faustian bargain of the welfare state laid bare for you.
XogGyux wrote:Are you suggesting that because he was a criminal, or alleged criminal anyways, it changes anything?
It changes what force is allowed in effecting an arrest. In this case, trying to utter counterfeit money is a felony. I'm not making a moral argument here based upon my point of view. I'm just explaining to you how the system works so that you can understand it. It does not justify in any way putting a knee on someone's neck after they are already in hand cuffs.
XogGyux wrote:Since when does the police have the authority to conduct judgment, sentencing and execution (quite literally execution in this case)?
This is what I mean by not giving in to histrionics. Floyd was not executed. He died as the proximate cause of excessive and unnecessary use of force.
XogGyux wrote:The deflections do nothing else but expose you. If you really think this was unacceptable, say so and shut up.
There are no deflections, so there is nothing exposed. I'm pointing out how the establishment gets away with this sort of thing precisely so that they don't get away with it in this case. That is why I won't shut up and neither will many Americans protesting this case.
XogGyux wrote:We can also agree violent protests, property destruction, etc is unacceptable. It is not hard for me to hold both thoughts simultaneously... why do you find it so hard?
I don't find it hard. I find it hard that you do not accept that these events happen in places controlled overwhelmingly by Democrats, and they always blame it on Republicans, white supremacists, etc. Let me restate mayor Frey's comment for you:
"We are now confronting white supremacists, members of organized crime, out of state instigators, and possibly even foreign actors to destroy and destabilize our city and our region," Frey had tweeted Saturday.
Really? Maybe people have just had enough with Democrats and their holy-than-thou bullshit, political correctness, cancel culture, wage destroying outsourcing and illegal immigration, and working-class livelihood destroying lockdowns. Maybe those things have something to do with it. Just maybe...
XogGyux wrote:why is it so hard for your dear idol Trump to condemn racists and instead weasels out by saying "very fine people on both sides" when white nationalists are involved in violent protests
It's not germane to the Floyd case. Trump also said there were bad people on both sides, and there were. He's just not playing the center-left establishment game. Neither am I. What did the establishment want from me in Charlottesville? To condemn the neo-nazis. That's not my problem. That's the establishment's problem. They need to fight their own battles. I'm not doing it for them anymore. What's the purpose of these riots? I'm supposed to come to the side of law and order. It's not my problem that they cannot control the situation right now, and I'm pleased to see their authority getting challenged. I think they are assholes. Did you see me championing their bailouts of big business--either the Republicans or the Democrats? No. Disagreeing with Trump is not going to get me to run into the arms of the establishment assholes. It just isn't.
XogGyux wrote:but has no trouble threatening the current protesters with shooting them by quoting a bully cop... that was an intentional reference and that must of come from one of the many racist ideologues that he has surrounded himself because not even for a second do I believe this potato head has any awareness of history.
The late 20th and early 21st centuries are pretty soft times when it comes to Western governments. It was common for riots to be put down with military force. Hell, they even used military force to put down labor unions in the past. I'm not a communist, but even I know that.
XogGyux wrote:Are you this eloquent when condemning the extreme right? Just wondering.
I haven't seen an extreme right rally nationwide, burning down cities, etc. When the extreme right becomes a problem for me, I'll be on it. Right now, they are a fringe nuisance at best.
XogGyux wrote:The chances of Stacy Abrams just shoot off the charts. I am not a particular fan of hers but I cannot deny that it looks like it will be politically advantageous for him.
Yeah, but Biden would probably refer to her with a racial epithet at some point knowing how daffy he can be. I just can't see his VP being Amy Klobuchar now, and two weeks ago, I would have given her an 80% chance.
XogGyux wrote:in this case, I am all for it because we need to maximize the chances of taking the orange potato out of the white house.
I'm not for restoring the neoliberal/neoconservative cabal. So I'm prepared to live with Trump for another four years.
XogGyux wrote:Tell me if you think sincerely that the US is in the right path today to becoming "great again".
In terms of what he's done so far, I'd say Trump gets a C-/D+. However, anyone else would be worse. We simply do not have a better candidate that's not going to sign off on the neoliberal/neoconservative cabal.
XogGyux wrote: There is also the stigma and prejudice that will follow the police for decades to come, the ones in minesota,
Well, that's okay. Minnesota is like the American version of Canada. They think a little too well of themselves.
XogGyux wrote:The semi-racist innocent joke you said with other friends that find it funny and not inapropriate might very well cost you the job even if you didn't mean it in a derogatory way and you are an otherwise non-racist great person. Some things are painful to others and we live in a society and we have to be mindful of others. If a moron in chief cannot realize this, maybe he should just be moron former-president instead.
I have no idea how old you are, but I'm a cord cutter and got rid of DirectTV and watch Fubo now. I have a few hundred episodes of All in the Family and Sanford and Son. If you think the US is racist now, you should watch a few episodes of that stuff. Insult comedy wasn't a crime in the past, and people would talk about TV shows at the water cooler the next day in the not too distant past. Today, there is no collective TV experience and it's so sanitized and political that it is just boring propaganda anymore.
XogGyux wrote:If he has swallowed a bag of meth, the police had not put a knee to his head, and he had been taken to the hospital the moment that any symptom became evident or the guy said anything that he was feeling bad and/or that he swallowed something... THEN and only then maybe you had a point. But all of this only happened in a parallel universe.
These guys will be tried, and we'll see what they say. I don't think there is any excuse for the officer's behavior (especially the knee on the neck), but you may hear one if the prosecution doesn't offer a plea bargain. Some of this stuff happens more often than you think. For example, my buddy was involved in an arrest where the suspect died. The suspect was absolutely unruly after being taken to the station. So the medical orderlies administered the maximum allowable dose of a sedative and the suspect died. Probably sloppy medical work, because they probably didn't test for intoxicants and took the arrestee's statements at face value. When you see absolutely unruly behavior like that, it can be psychosis due to excessive methamphetamine use. That's often the case. However, it can also be a response hitting glutamate receptors due to withdraw from PCP, Ketamine, etc. The latter are downers, and when you see someone psychotic like that, you don't tend to think withdrawal from downers. You think psychometh dude. Administer another downer, and it's game over. It happens. In fact, for a downer like heroin or fentanyl they've removed the need for a prescription for Narcan, because people are constantly overdosing on fentanyl in the streets. Emergency rooms don't want these people, so the system is evolving for first responders to administer Narcan. It's a mighty fucked up world some people live in.
The Sabbaticus wrote:The end result was that the black pundit had his media career torpedoed for calling out the ridiculous nonsense of the FBI/CIA hack.
Yeah, try finding anything from sonofnewo now. He laid out probable deep state involvement in Charlottesville and a bunch of irregularities. The courts silenced him as part of the litigation he initiated.
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