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#15097788
snapdragon wrote:He could never have won, skinster. He just didn't have it in him to lead the Labour Party...


No other politician in this country was as popular as Corbyn and the only problem with his leadership was that he didn't purge the party of those who were destroying the movement behind him.

Labour almost did win in 2017. Just as you were complaining at the time, the rightwing of the party was doing everything but getting behind the leader of their party during a time when attacks were coming from pretty much everywhere. And despite those attacks, if Labour had won an extra 2200 votes in 2017, Corbyn would be leading the country today.

Things could be much better here today if not for people like you and other red tories. When are you going to comment on the sabotage by your ilk against your own party as per the leaked Labour report?

#15097817
He was rubbish, skinster.

The Labour Party will probably never recover in Scotland because of him.

He should have got rid of the toxic Stalinists supporting and advising him : Seamus Milne , Andrew Murray, Andrew Fisher and John McDonnel to name just four.

That's without considering his disastrous stance on the EU.

I'm not sure what you mean by "almost won". He lost, when he should have walked it.

The Labour Party was humiliated in 2019, against the idiot Johnson.

The manifesto was good, but he couldn't sell it.
#15097824
ingliz wrote:Does it matter, though? Boris will be gone by next year (Brexit and the virus will do for him) and the Tories will put up another twat to take his place, and pretend it's a 'new' government, and the media will big up the twat, and Starmer will continue to tack to the right, and the electorate will vote Red Tory or Blue Tory.

:lol:


JohnRawls wrote:If you are a hardcore lefty then i guess you don't. But if you are everyone else from soft-left to centre right then you can be more happier than before ;)
#15097990
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/abour ... ty-1340617

That explains why Labour lost. It was all down to Corbyn and his complete inability take leadership of the party, coupled with his personal shilly shallying over Brexit.


Jeremy Corbyn

For many voters and MPs, the buck stops with the Labour leader. As the night drew on and the scale of Labour’s losses were coming to light, the finger of blame was quickly pointed at Mr Corbyn. Several Labour candidates who either lost their seats or held on to them said the reason for the party’s defeat, particularly in its northern heartlands, was down to the leader.
Edinburgh South MP Ian Murray was damning, saying every person he spoke to raised “not Brexit but Corbyn” on the doorstep. The leader went into the election with the lowest personal ratings in opinion polls since at least the 1970s.


His inability to sufficiently draw a line under his failure to deal with anti-Semitism in his party ranks had also dogged him throughout, culminating in a damaging interview with the BBC’s Andrew Neil. Despite this, Mr Corbyn’s supporters, such as Richard Burgon, were quick to deflect the blame and pinned it on Brexit and the need for more “radical alternatives”.


Brexit


While the results make it clear that the UK’s departure from the EU was not the sole reason behind Labour’s devastating return it clearly had an impact. Labour had always been walking a difficult tightrope with its Brexit stance. It risked putting off its Remain supporters in and around cities if it backed Leave too heavily, and would turn off pro-Brexit areas by supporting staying in the EU.
In the end it tacked towards Remain and inevitably something had to give. The strategy was largely blamed for its defeat by Labour candidates in northern constituencies. As Ian Lavery, the party chair who almost lost his seat in the North East, said: “Ignore democracy and to be quite honest the consequences will come back and bite you up the backside.”
Remarkably, it took Mr Corbyn until the second week of the election campaign to reveal his personal stance in a second Brexit referendum, stating he would remain neutral. The inability to pick a side will have damaged his credentials as a leader among many voters.

Manifesto


After its better than expected election result in 2017, the Labour leadership believed the best course of action was to double down on its manifesto. Despite failing to win two years ago, the party believed the message was to offer voters a more radical vision of their manifesto, pledging to spend hundreds of billions on infrastructure, public spending and renationalisation.
The promise to deliver free broadband to every home and to take over the running of BT led to many voters to question where the money was going to come from. After the manifesto was published Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell made a further commitment to spend more than £50bn on the Waspi women’s pensions.
Activists will say the policies were popular, but there will be questions as to whether it was offering too much.


Election strategy

Even before the general election had begun Labour was heading for trouble having lost several key figures from its election planning team. Those who had helped steer Labour to a near miss in 2017 departed, and in their place was Karie Murphy who adopted a 99 per cent strategy this campaign.
Rather than focusing the party’s resources on fewer key targets and shoring up the vote in the party’s heartlands, Ms Murphy poured efforts into attacking seats Labour was barely expected to win. The strategy shifted with just two weeks to go after it became clear it was haemorrhaging support in the midlands and the north.

Red Wall

And it was this oversight that ultimately led to Labour’s demise. The election result has redrawn the electoral map, with the Conservatives punching huge holes through Labour’s so-called “red wall”. Labour candidates in the these regions complained that voters had either been taken for granted or their needs ignored by the party leadership. Many have blamed the party leadership's belief that support in these parts of the country was a given.
It meant dozens of areas that had never been Conservative turned blue for the first time. Areas such as former mining towns dotted across the north, such as Leigh in the northwest and Blyth Valley in the north east are now represented by Tory MPs.
It is startling that such blue-collar, working class areas saw more in the Eton College and Oxbridge-educated Conservative leader than Labour’s own leader.
#15098003
ingliz wrote:Does it matter, though? Boris will be gone by next year (Brexit and the virus will do for him) and the Tories will put up another twat to take his place, and pretend it's a 'new' government, and the media will big up the twat, and Starmer will continue to tack to the right, and the electorate will vote Red Tory or Blue Tory.

:lol:

In other words, British politics as usual. :lol:
#15098274
snapdragon wrote: Why would he?

When the Brexit bounce bounces you into a full on economic depression. After his piss poor performance dealing with the virus, he will be the convenient fall guy. Historically, the Conservative party have never been overly sentimental when it comes to ridding themselves of a leader they consider an electoral liability (see IDS, Thatcher, etc.).


:)
#15098296
Well, so what? The Tory Party would never go for a new leadership because that would mean a General Election.

You think they care about anything except saving their individual seats and pleasing their sponsors?

No, I'm afraid Boris will stay until his time is up in 2024.
#15098298
snapdragon wrote:The Tory Party would never go for a new leadership because that would mean a General Election.

Wrong! They can hold a leadership election and carry on governing with a new leader until 2024. Even before they passed the Fixed Term Parliament Act there was nothing to stop them doing this. Note Gordon Brown was anointed rather than elected as Prime Minister in 2007, two years into Blair's premiership.


:lol:
#15098317
ingliz wrote:Wrong! They can hold a leadership election and carry on governing with a new leader until 2024.


Only if Boris agrees to step down. As if.

Even before they passed the Fixed Term Parliament Act there was nothing to stop them doing this. Note Gordon Brown was anointed rather than elected as Prime Minister in 2007, two years into Blair's premiership.

:lol:


That was the agreement.
#15098323
snapdragon wrote:as if

Surely, under the FTP with an 80 seat majority, all the party has to do is call a no confidence vote and when Boris loses they have two weeks to set up a new twat as PM.


:)
#15098584






snapdragon wrote:That explains why Labour lost. It was all down to Corbyn and his complete inability take leadership of the party, coupled with his personal shilly shallying over Brexit.


How many times are you going to ignore the sabotage that came from your ilk within the party? Imagine if the rightwing within Labour who were campaigning to lose in the 2017 election campaigned to win? We might not be under a Tory government today. Here are some of the details again. Any comment on this leaked info that reveals bullying, bigotry and the campaigning to lose that your ilk within the party are responsible for?


The problem with Corbyn was he was trying to please traitors like you.

As for his position on the EU, that was because, again, the rightwing of the party were constantly attacking Corbyn for his position, despite everyone having a choice.

Anyway, Labour is looking pretty awful today and that's amusing at least.
#15098779
Was the traitor accusation aimed at me? Bloody cheek.

As it turned out, he ended up pleasing the loony left faction, but nobody else.

He is totally unsuitable to be the leader of anything.

Labour will do much better with Keir Starmer. I'm feeling quite positive about the future.

Has Andrew Murray rejoined the Communist Party? Don't they mind about his hedge funds?
#15098801
snapdragon wrote:I'm feeling quite positive about the future.

Why? Perhaps, it's because you are Yellow Tory. An Orange Booker liberal who will get to choose between a Tory-lite Labour sop to the middle class conscience and the Nasty Party at the next election. The Tory-lite Liberal Democrats, your true home, having collapsed in a heap of electoral irrelevancy last time round.


:lol:
#15098865
ingliz wrote:"Jo Swinson is a yellow Tory, but [...] I'd vote for the Lib-Dems"

Snapdragon posting around the time of the December election.


:lol:


oh my god. You actually searched for that Ingliz. How creepy.


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