- 02 Jul 2020 09:05
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Thanks for the montage of what's been a pretty lit year for the left.
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@wat0n It is also fine to question the supposed antirracism of those who use this as a political sledgehammer to smash things with.
“Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.”
Pants-of-dog wrote:@wat0n
I do not care what you think of me. If you think I am a horrible person, go ahead and beleive that.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Moving on, we see that police unions are a part of the system of impunity. They have to go.
Pants-of-dog wrote:If you are asking why the evidence for bodycams being a significant deterrent to police brutality is weak, that is because the studies have not been done well, or that bodycams are not a significant deterrent.
Pants-of-dog wrote:When civilians try to justify murder, the cops can investigate and find them wrong or right. When cops do it, there is no investigation and innocent people are killed with impunity, and there is no recourse.
Elijah McCain’s killers are walking free right now, despite having the murder on body cam footage. Where is the recourse? Where is the justice?
Pants-of-dog wrote:And DAs do not get charged or investigated because there is no one who does that. The cops do not. The DAs do not. So Elijah McCain’s killers will walk free because the system would rather protect countless white cops than one black innocent man.
Drlee wrote:So you are admitting that racism is a big thing and that one side is fighting it? That is a breakthrough for you.
Drlee wrote:And yes. When something is anathema for all our country stands for, such as racism, it is just fine to use a political sledgehammer to break it. In fact it is one's civic duty.
Drlee wrote:I do not believe public sector unions should be allowed under any circumstances. And if they are allowed, they should have no voice in disciplinary matters at all.
Pants-of-dog wrote:@wat0n
Your own source said the evidence was weak. If you need more information about why there is little evidence that body cams are a useful deterrent, please read your source.
Pants-of-dog wrote:And the case of Elijah McCain is a good example. The cops claim that it exonerates them and makes the killing legal. Another innocent unarmed black man killed while already restrained, perfectly legal.
Pants-of-dog wrote:The only reason why anyone is looking into that murder again is because of the widespread protests. There was no legal reason to look into this case. The system worked perfectly when it let the cops off for murder. The system itself is the problem.
And this system needs to be abolished and a new system put into place where DAs and cops are actually held accountable. “Reforming the system” just means that there will be slightly less murdering cops getting away with it.
Pants-of-dog wrote:@wat0n
If you read your source carefully, you will note that Mr. White (the researcher) says that the studies before 2014 were more or less useless. After that, you have one study that shows a reduced use of force, but it does not differentiate between justified and unjustified use of force, so you cannot use it as evidence that it reduces unjustified force. It does, however, suggest that the reduction found of force is all the unnecessary force, but that would mean that the average PD uses a significant amount of unnecessary force.
NIJ wrote:Over time, scientific rigor improved, and studies conducted in U.S. law enforcement agencies produced findings that indicated promising support for body-worn cameras. For example, in 2014, researchers at Arizona State University (funded through the Bureau of Justice Assistance’s Smart Policing Initiative) found that officers with body-worn cameras were more productive in terms of making arrests, had fewer complaints lodged against them relative to officers without body-worn cameras, and had higher numbers of citizen complaints resolved in their favor.[7] Another study conducted with the Rialto (California) Police Department noted similar decreases in citizen complaints lodged against officers wearing body-worn cameras as well as decreases in use-of-force incidents by the police.[8] In addition, Justin Ready and Jacob Young from Arizona State University found that officers with body-worn cameras were more cautious in their actions and sensitive to possible scrutiny of video footage by their superiors. Also, contrary to initial concerns, officers who wore cameras were found to have higher numbers of self-initiated contacts with community residents than officers who did not wear cameras.[9]
Recent randomized controlled trials, which are considered the scientific gold standard for evaluating programs, have also been conducted on body-worn cameras. Of the various scientific methods available, these trials have the greatest likelihood of producing sound evidence because random assignment is able to isolate a specific treatment of interest from all of the other factors that influence any given outcome. In a 2016 global, multisite randomized controlled trial, Barak Ariel and colleagues found that use-of-force incidents may be related to the discretion given to officers regarding when body-worn cameras are activated during officer-citizen encounters. The researchers found decreases in use-of-force incidents when officers activated their cameras upon arrival at the scene. Alternatively, use-of-force incidents by officers with body-worn cameras increased when the officers had the discretion to determine when to activate their cameras during citizen interactions.[10]
In 2017, with NIJ support, researchers from CNA conducted a randomized controlled trial on 400 police officers in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. The research team found that officers with body-worn cameras generated fewer use-of-force reports and complaints from citizens compared to officers without body-worn cameras. Additionally, officers with body-worn cameras issued higher numbers of arrests and citations compared to officers without body-worn cameras.[11]
Pants-of-Dogs wrote:Are you arguing that the cops can claim whatever they want despite the camera footage in the case of Elijah McCain? If that is the case, then we agree that the camera footage was useless in that case.
Pants-of-Dog wrote:Do you think the killing of Elijah McCain was justified? It was legal, according to the police and DA. It was justified according to the police and DA. Do you agree?
Pants-of-Dog wrote:I see that you agree that the DAs are a part of the system of impunity.
Pants-of-dog wrote:@wat0n
Why did you not quite that text before?
The previously cited text wmntioned one study.
Now you have three. Do those other two have the same limitations as the first one?
Pants-of-dog wrote:Please note that none of the studies look at racism, systemic or otherwise.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Elijah McCain’s case is not going to court, so the cops do not need to show the body cam footage in a trial. The cops decided that the cops did not need to go to trial. The recourse that you speak of is not actually happening.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Again, knowing what you know now, do you think the killing was justified? Was Elijah McCain a threat?
Pants-of-dog wrote:The DA, for example, decided it was justified, and since the DA can be removed from office, the killing of Elijah McCain must be justified, according to your argument. After all, if the DA was wrong, then he or she would not be DA, as the electorate would have voted someone who would have investigated the cops. The system works as you describe: the killing was justified and everyone was held accountable.
One less cop killer on the streets!
Pants-of-dog wrote:@wat0n
So we see some evidence for reduced use of force, but no evidence for reduced use of unjustified force or reduced racism.
Pants-of-dog wrote:If you are saying that we should wait and see if the AG decides to charge Elijah McCain’s killers, note that if the protesters had done exactly what you suggest, there would be no investigation at all and his killers would be walking free. Oh wait, they are.
Pants-of-dog wrote:None of this changes the fact that the recourse that you claim should act as a check on police brutality is not applicable in this case at this point, may never be applicable, and is only possible because of widespread protests.
Pants-of-dog wrote:So you agree that the system let unjustified killers off the hook, when you say that Elijah McCain’s killing was unjustified.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Why do you think the cops or DA should do any of these things that you claim they should? Do they have some sort of legal obligation to do so?
Pants-of-dog wrote:More importantly, did the cops and DA act within the law? At this point, it seems they did everything perfectly legally.
Tainari88 wrote:The younger generations are not going to be loving white supremacy. The older ones with racism on the brain are a dying breed. Thank goodness!
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Oxymoron wrote:Yes they are loving none white supremacy.... replacing one racism with another, great job! We went from the greatest Generations to the Retarded Generation. Black Lives Matter is a slogan of the extreme left anti white movement, just because the words have a certain meaning their intent is obviously supremacist in nature. These "Allies" will soon learn they are just useful idiots that will hang last as their prize.
Oxymoron wrote:Yes they are loving none white supremacy.... replacing one racism with another, great job! We went from the greatest Generations to the Retarded Generation. Black Lives Matter is a slogan of the extreme left anti white movement, just because the words have a certain meaning their intent is obviously supremacist in nature. These "Allies" will soon learn they are just useful idiots that will hang last as their prize.
Tainari88 wrote:Oxymoron you can scream anti-white racism all you want. The truth of the matter is that the loophole in the 13th amendment has lit a fuse in not only the USA but the world. There were protests about George Floyd's murder all over the world. It is about people dealing with being pressured by a system that doesn't give anybody who is poor and without power true justice.
I will be blunt with you. White artificial shit identities are not about anti racism, they are about fear of sharing power with people who have traditionally been in powerful positions in the USA. You keep pushing at saying Black Lives are an organization that is anti white when it is about social justice for Black Americans in places that are disrespecting their lives with police brutality and false shit incarceration.
Look at Archie Williams? A man incarcerated for 37 years for a crime he never committed. He was sentenced forever for supposedly raping and murdering a white woman. He had three witnesses stating the man was at work and not even present when the crime took place. He was convicted due to not having money to pay for a decent legal defense. Do you think that is some isolated incident? It is not. An organization called The Innocence Project, worked on his case. They freed him. But it took 37 years of his life. A lifetime. In some Angola State Prison in Louisiana. They would throw random black men accused of crimes and condemn them to decades in prison just to be able to close a criminal case. They never picked powerful and wealthy people Oxymoron. They fight back and can avoid jail.
Black lives like Archie Williams do matter. That is the message.
All innocent people caught up in lack of justice situations matter. That is what I believe. You believe what you want. For me? The time will come when the racist old fools will be dying off and new young people will be making a different society. That is coming in another 25 years. For sure. A new world. It is up to them to discard all those old stubborn racist hard headed foolish thinkers. Let them fade like they were nothing in history. For they were just faded old people living in denial of their own histories.
The USA has one fourth of all incarcerated people in the world. It is not about justice.
Their lives matter.
Oxymoron wrote:The reason the police are aggressive and our jails are filled, is because of failed war on drugs... this has nothing to do with Black people. What has to do with Black people, is their socio economic plight. A plight brought upon by failed Leftist Ideology....
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