[Unthinking Majority]

America is broken.

[Julian658]

America is broken.

There is no unity. The promise of multiculturalism and everybody singing Kumbaya is not a reality. We are becoming balkanized which is the end result of multiculturalism and race ID politics.

Those in the bottom of the competence hierarchy want a revolution, they feel they have nothing to lose and are full of hatred. Note how the extreme left wants to to ban guns. I do not own a gun, but I can see why some Americans think that the right to own weapons is important. That may prevent an authoritarian lefty takeover.

[Julian658]

It does not matter. This is a binary choice, that's all.
It's like saying I want to go to Europe. And I ask you, do you want to go by air? and you say... No... ok then you want to go by sea and you say well no...
There is no other reasonable answer here. You have two choices and you already deemed one of them is rotten, you got 1 choice left.
Not a single president during my lifetime has been my "ideal" human, or even "ideal" leader and none will ever be. Because candidates, even in the absolute most democratic conditions ever, are flawed because all humans are flawed. The aggregate average of 100M+ voters is never going to be anyone's ideal candidate, it is always going to be a bunch of compromises and caveats.

You can call it as you want, lesser of two evils, enthusiasm for president X over president Y, whatever... there are 2 choices.


First, an anecdote is evidence. It might not be high-quality evidence but it is evidence nonetheless. If it was no evidence, centuries of "eyewitness testimony" would have to be thrown out of the courts, think how many people we could release from jail! Now, certainly, it is not "high-quality evidence" but I never meant for my particular situation to work as evidence, to begin with, you use my case to prove your point and you mangled the facts about my situation. I just corrected your premise which is incorrect and set the record straight.

Sure, some anecdotes are important. And many kids from a one parent home do OK if they have an exceptional caring mother. Studies are probably better indicators than anecdotes.

Family Influence on Education
Students who grow up in single-parent homes complete fewer years of education and are less likely to earn a college degree, a new report finds.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/201 ... 20families.

pending your teenage years in a single-parent family puts you at a larger educational disadvantage today than it did 40 years ago, claims a new study.

In 2009, young adults who spent time living in single-parent families had completed 1.32 fewer years of schooling than their peers from two-parent families, according to a paper published last week in the academic journal Education Next. The college completion rate also was 26 percentage points lower for 24-year-olds who lived in single-parent homes as teens.



Education Gap Grows for Adolescents from Single-Parent Families
https://www.educationnext.org/education ... -families/

Do children in two-parent families do better?
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-47057787

The list goes on:
However, am exceptional educated mother makes a difference. You also inherited smarts from your parents. Psst, don't tell anyone else. It is not PC to inherit intelligence.

[XogGyux]

Sure, some anecdotes are important. And many kids from a one parent home do OK if they have an exceptional caring mother. Studies are probably better indicators than anecdotes.

Family Influence on Education
Students who grow up in single-parent homes complete fewer years of education and are less likely to earn a college degree, a new report finds.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/201 ... 20families.

pending your teenage years in a single-parent family puts you at a larger educational disadvantage today than it did 40 years ago, claims a new study.

In 2009, young adults who spent time living in single-parent families had completed 1.32 fewer years of schooling than their peers from two-parent families, according to a paper published last week in the academic journal Education Next. The college completion rate also was 26 percentage points lower for 24-year-olds who lived in single-parent homes as teens.



Education Gap Grows for Adolescents from Single-Parent Families
https://www.educationnext.org/education ... -families/

Do children in two-parent families do better?
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-47057787

The list goes on:
However, am exceptional educated mother makes a difference. You also inherited smarts from your parents. Psst, don't tell anyone else. It is not PC to inherit intelligence.

I am having dejavu now, its like we discussed this not long ago. Oh, maybe the dejavu is because we actually discussed this a while ago.
This is not helpful on so many levels. For one, there are a billion different co-founder variables that unless you are willing to start doing unethical population based randomized controlled trials... you are not likely to begin to comprehend the intricacies of their effect. For instance, poverty is certainly a major cause for crime/poor education/etc... do you know that money is often listed as the second most common cause for divorce other than infidelity? So... you got a whole bunch of poor people, in poor neighborhoods... offcourse there is going to be bunch of single parents because money is one of the leading causes for divorce! and this does not even take into acount how many couples split before getting married because of poverty or with poverty being one of the inciting factors.
All of these factors tend to have positive feedback in vicious cycles. Poverty leads to crime/violence leads to abusive relationships leads to divorce leads to traumatized kids which leads to the next cycle of messed up adults to feed the cycle, and each step in the cycle can give positive feedback to the rest.

We will never know for sure which are the individual factors that make the biggest impact because the methods that we would have to use to find out are not ethical or reasonably feasable.
However there are a few things that we can do that directly affects some/many of the major issues that we can identify.

Education,
A minimum floor-level socio-economical support
Community-level interventions
Targetting individuals for REFORM rather than PUNISHMENT. AKA getting rid of ridiculous nonsensical "offenses" that put people in jail for nonsense. Especially those related to drugs and other non-violent crimes. If you ask me, drugs should be legalized, taxed/regulated... all drugs (this is offtopic so wouldn't discuss further, if you wish to open another thread for that).
Child support/maternity leave
Health care. The amount of 30 years old that I see in the hospital with ESRD is astonishing, that's in part because complete lack of routine care, by the time they show up in the late 20's with kidney damage it is too late. Not having insurance and having a major disease like this, almost guarantees that this person and family will never leave poverty in their lifetime. A hospital will not put you in jail if you fail to pay a few hundred thousands dollars, but that debt will follow you for a very long time if not lifelong (in theory bankruptcies might help, but low education people with limited access to financial advisors and attorneys will not be declaring bankruptcy anytime soon).
And many other actions that have been discussed previously.
None of these targets blacks specifically, and I do not subscribe to the philosophy that we should target them to raise this particular group. I think we should strive to raise everybody at the bottom regardless of race.

Now, independently of the socioeconomic problems already described and discussed, we also have rampant racism in this country. This is unacceptable and regardless of what degree it contributes or not to the above, even if minimal contribution (which I do not agree), I think at the very least we should agree that any sort of racism is unacceptable, even if it didn't lead to poverty and violence and all that shit (which again, we don't agree on this, but it is not even important if we agree on this or not because of the aforementioned points/discussion).

[Unthinking Majority]

There is no unity. The promise of multiculturalism and everybody singing Kumbaya is not a reality. We are becoming balkanized which is the end result of multiculturalism and race ID politics.

Those in the bottom of the competence hierarchy want a revolution, they feel they have nothing to lose and are full of hatred. Note how the extreme left wants to to ban guns. I do not own a gun, but I can see why some Americans think that the right to own weapons is important. That may prevent an authoritarian lefty takeover.

The 2nd amendment is stupid. Gun ownership laws and gun violence stats across the developed world proves it.

Wages have been stagnant for 40 years. The only people seeing the gains are the people who own companies/stock or the CEOs etc in those companies, the same people who lobby and pay off the politicians. The worker has been given a bad deal. Congress is rotten to the core, both major parties are crooked.

[Julian658]

The 2nd amendment is stupid. Gun ownership laws and gun violence stats across the developed world proves it.

I do not own guns, but if the left tries a bloody revolution they will at least defend.

Wages have been stagnant for 40 years. The only people seeing the gains are the people who own companies/stock or the CEOs etc in those companies, the same people who lobby and pay off the politicians. The worker has been given a bad deal. Congress is rotten to the core, both major parties are crooked.

That is a very legit critique. We may be reaching the culmination of capitalism. At some point the system will get it an increase salaries. Despite all the lunacy Trump wanted to bring jobs back and increase salaries. He had a a bit of success with increment in wages as jobs were going begging for applicants. However, the bulk of the American low economic class is not very savvy and cannot do the high end jobs.

[Julian658]

:lol: I am having dejavu now, its like we discussed this not long ago. Oh, maybe the dejavu is because we actually discussed this a while ago.
This is not helpful on so many levels. For one, there are a billion different co-founder variables that unless you are willing to start doing unethical population based randomized controlled trials... you are not likely to begin to comprehend the intricacies of their effect. For instance, poverty is certainly a major cause for crime/poor education/etc... do you know that money is often listed as the second most common cause for divorce other than infidelity? So... you got a whole bunch of poor people, in poor neighborhoods... offcourse there is going to be bunch of single parents because money is one of the leading causes for divorce! and this does not even take into acount how many couples split before getting married because of poverty or with poverty being one of the inciting factors.
All of these factors tend to have positive feedback in vicious cycles. Poverty leads to crime/violence leads to abusive relationships leads to divorce leads to traumatized kids which leads to the next cycle of messed up adults to feed the cycle, and each step in the cycle can give positive feedback to the rest.

We will never know for sure which are the individual factors that make the biggest impact because the methods that we would have to use to find out are not ethical or reasonably feasable.
However there are a few things that we can do that directly affects some/many of the major issues that we can identify.

Still better than an anecdote. I agree, this is multifactorial and single moms that are highly educated will do just fine.

Education,
A minimum floor-level socio-economical support
Community-level interventions
Targetting individuals for REFORM rather than PUNISHMENT. AKA getting rid of ridiculous nonsensical "offenses" that put people in jail for nonsense. Especially those related to drugs and other non-violent crimes. If you ask me, drugs should be legalized, taxed/regulated... all drugs (this is offtopic so wouldn't discuss further, if you wish to open another thread for that).
Child support/maternity leave
Health care. The amount of 30 years old that I see in the hospital with ESRD is astonishing, that's in part because complete lack of routine care, by the time they show up in the late 20's with kidney damage it is too late. Not having insurance and having a major disease like this, almost guarantees that this person and family will never leave poverty in their lifetime. A hospital will not put you in jail if you fail to pay a few hundred thousands dollars, but that debt will follow you for a very long time if not lifelong (in theory bankruptcies might help, but low education people with limited access to financial advisors and attorneys will not be declaring bankruptcy anytime soon).
And many other actions that have been discussed previously.
None of these targets blacks specifically, and I do not subscribe to the philosophy that we should target them to raise this particular group. I think we should strive to raise everybody at the bottom regardless of race.

You are such a typical left wing SJW! How about promoting a healthy home environment? Why do you think the Indian immigrants and East Asian kick ass in education?

Now, independently of the socioeconomic problems already described and discussed, we also have rampant racism in this country. This is unacceptable and regardless of what degree it contributes or not to the above, even if minimal contribution (which I do not agree), I think at the very least we should agree that any sort of racism is unacceptable, even if it didn't lead to poverty and violence and all that shit (which again, we don't agree on this, but it is not even important if we agree on this or not because of the aforementioned points/discussion).

Says the guy that proudly proclaimed a huge percent of new docs in America are foreign. You even posted photos of the med school where American people of European ancestry were a tiny fraction. Does that sound like extreme racism to you? A country that welcomed you and made you a doctor? How awful!!

[XogGyux]

You are such a typical left wing SJW! How about promoting a healthy home environment? Why do you think the Indian immigrants and East Asian kick ass in education?

Oh and what constitutes a healthy home environment Mr. Expert? Because I think some financial security, healthcare security, education and your parents going in and out of prison for nonsense would qualify as a healthy home environment, but apparently you disagree with this. Is it a branding thing?

Says the guy that proudly proclaimed a huge percent of new docs in America are foreign. You even posted photos of the med school where American people of European ancestry were a tiny fraction. Does that sound like extreme racism to you? A country that welcomed you and made you a doctor? How awful!!

That does not mean much. You seem to be one of those that "well if we got a black president we cannot possibly be racists can we"? then answer is yes, we can (pun intended ).

[Drlee]

@Julian658

Suppose for a moment we grant that children in two parent families do better. ( I am not granting it as an excuse for your racism.)

But just suppose. Tell me why that is? Then tell me what society can co about it. Two givens. One is that you can't force people to be married to have kids and you can't force them to stay married. So you tell me. Get out your google finger and tell me how we ameliorate the problems of single parent households.

[Julian658]

Oh and what constitutes a healthy home environment Mr. Expert? Because I think some financial security, healthcare security, education and your parents going in and out of prison for nonsense would qualify as a healthy home environment, but apparently you disagree with this. Is it a branding thing?

There has to be a profound change in cultural values with regards to academic achievement, work ethic, law abiding philosophies, family unit, one set of national cultural values, etc. Remember when you were a little kid in Cuba in school? Something like that but molded to America and without the worship of Fidel. Obviously you acquired decent values in Cuba.

That does not mean much. You seem to be one of those that "well if we got a black president we cannot possibly be racists can we"? then answer is yes, we can (pun intended ).

Does not mean much? Blacks are 13% of the population, most do not even vote and somehow a black dude gets elected in a near landslide. Is the most racist nation with rampant racism? A nation where most in the world want to migrate to? A nation where most of the media and many politicians are afraid to say no to BLM? A nation that excuses rampant murder in Chicago as racism? Instead of crime out of control. A nation where many large cities have black mayors, chief of police, city council, and school board? A nation where most sport celebrities and musicians, singers, entertainers, etc are black? Are you out of your fucking mind?

And you think we need to spend more money in education? Have you ever heard of the 1990s Kansas City school experiment? At times they were spending as much as 40k per student and they had ZERO RESULTS, NADA!!! Cuba does a much better job educating students with no money.

[Julian658]

@Julian658

Suppose for a moment we grant that children in two parent families do better. ( I am not granting it as an excuse for your racism.)

But just suppose. Tell me why that is? Then tell me what society can co about it. Two givens. One is that you can't force people to be married to have kids and you can't force them to stay married. So you tell me. Get out your google finger and tell me how we ameliorate the problems of single parent households.

See my post to XogGyux above.

[Tainari88]

The 2nd amendment is stupid. Gun ownership laws and gun violence stats across the developed world proves it.

Wages have been stagnant for 40 years. The only people seeing the gains are the people who own companies/stock or the CEOs etc in those companies, the same people who lobby and pay off the politicians. The worker has been given a bad deal. Congress is rotten to the core, both major parties are crooked.

Well, Unthinking, I agree with this post 100%. It is rare that you write things that I generally agree with.

Mostly because I find you cynical and jaded and a bunch of other things. But on this one? I agree with you wholeheartedly. Truth is truth.

[XogGyux]

I am not doing this again, we had this discussion at least 3 times by my count. I am out.

[Pants-of-dog]

Check mate, you are with me on this issue of racism.

You agree that the USA is inherently racist and the state should be smashed, the land given back to indigenous communities, and the cities reorganized into socialist collectives where systemic racism is addressed?

[Donna]

You agree that the USA is inherently racist and the state should be smashed, the land given back to indigenous communities, and the cities reorganized into socialist collectives where systemic racism is addressed?

Real shit.

[Drlee]

@Tainari88 Well, Unthinking, I agree with this post 100%. It is rare that you write things that I generally agree with.

Mostly because I find you cynical and jaded and a bunch of other things. But on this one? I agree with you wholeheartedly. Truth is truth.

I second the motion. You are both spot on.

[Julian658]

You agree that the USA is inherently racist and the state should be smashed, the land given back to indigenous communities, and the cities reorganized into socialist collectives where systemic racism is addressed?

[Drlee]

And yet another racist post.

But you ask. Why is this racist?

Because the whole SJW meme is racist. And, of course, because you used it to rationalize racism.

[XogGyux]

I'd post the brain of a Trump supporter but current monitor technology doesn't produce pixels small enough to accurately represent them.

[Julian658]

And yet another racist post.

But you ask. Why is this racist?

Because the whole SJW meme is racist. And, of course, because you used it to rationalize racism.

Doc, most SJWs are people of Nordic extraction. How could it be racist to make fun of them? It is the same as making fun of the color of Trump's hair. Is this one yo your liking? REally, you are way too tribal doc!