- 04 Jul 2020 07:51
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100% of those people are going to die. All of us die.
Also, death is not the only problem. Just using the hospital beds even if there is a 99% chance of recovering could lead to other people not having the bed available and/or delay of care.
They can infect other people.
They might recover with long-lasting health problems. The degree of lung damage that we see on CT scan hints that this might lead to long-term scaring. The problem is, "long term" means we will need a few years to even see this happen.
The other thing is... what is the quality of life of those that had a serious disease but didn't die. From time to time we have young patients that "died" multiple times but we managed to resuscitate. As it happens, young people are better equipped to "survive" after a cardiac arrest with aggressive interventions, on top of that, medical profesionals usually go above and beyond for these patients because we know they are more likely, and perhaps in a macabre way, they have "more to lose" than the equivalent 70year old guy with a cancer and copd. As a result, we might skew those that "survive". That is not to say that for some, their quality of life won't be just as bad it not worse than dying.
In every hospital I have ever worked or served there is always a handful of "abandoned" patients. These are patients that a long time ago arrived to the hospital with a gunshot wound to the head (suicide, accident or intentional) or overdosed on some sort of drug (accidental vs intentional) and have severe brain damage, persistent vegetative state. In many cases, they "died" multiple times for over 30mins, sometimes 40 mins each time when they were REALLY sick but we were "able" to "bring them back". Ofcourse, at that point, it is hard to know how much of the person we can save, so we try anyway, often more than we should. The sad part, many of these people end up being perennial hospital residents because they never leave once they are stable. Family cannot take care of a vegetative person and often times they have no insurance. So these people end up living in the hospital for months or even years. Every few weeks they get a hospital-related infection, they spend a few days in the ICU getting megadoses of antibiotics, and often time stabilizes. This cycle repeats itself many times, eventually we start so see more complications, abscesses, resistant infections, bowel perforations, GI bleeds, etc and then they start getting surgeries and procedures to deal with those. And the cycle continues until eventually, they die from some sort of overwhelming infection or some other complication. The other day in my news feed there was a story of a young guy that have been fighting coronavirus for months and had leg amputated due to complications. This story made it to the news because the guy was some sort of fashion/celebrity or something of the sort.
Yes, young people can survive it more often than old people. The same way that young people can survive a motorcycle accident more often than an old one... The problem is... the sequelae is often pretty bad as well.
The whole world (except us) took this seriously for a reason... Stop pretending, you are only harming yourself and those that you love.
Wulfschilde wrote:Almost none of these people are going to die. Aside from the median age being as low as 28 or 29 in some cases, there's a variety of test types being carried out, such as antibody tests which can give a positive even if someone already recovered.
100% of those people are going to die. All of us die.
Also, death is not the only problem. Just using the hospital beds even if there is a 99% chance of recovering could lead to other people not having the bed available and/or delay of care.
They can infect other people.
They might recover with long-lasting health problems. The degree of lung damage that we see on CT scan hints that this might lead to long-term scaring. The problem is, "long term" means we will need a few years to even see this happen.
The other thing is... what is the quality of life of those that had a serious disease but didn't die. From time to time we have young patients that "died" multiple times but we managed to resuscitate. As it happens, young people are better equipped to "survive" after a cardiac arrest with aggressive interventions, on top of that, medical profesionals usually go above and beyond for these patients because we know they are more likely, and perhaps in a macabre way, they have "more to lose" than the equivalent 70year old guy with a cancer and copd. As a result, we might skew those that "survive". That is not to say that for some, their quality of life won't be just as bad it not worse than dying.
In every hospital I have ever worked or served there is always a handful of "abandoned" patients. These are patients that a long time ago arrived to the hospital with a gunshot wound to the head (suicide, accident or intentional) or overdosed on some sort of drug (accidental vs intentional) and have severe brain damage, persistent vegetative state. In many cases, they "died" multiple times for over 30mins, sometimes 40 mins each time when they were REALLY sick but we were "able" to "bring them back". Ofcourse, at that point, it is hard to know how much of the person we can save, so we try anyway, often more than we should. The sad part, many of these people end up being perennial hospital residents because they never leave once they are stable. Family cannot take care of a vegetative person and often times they have no insurance. So these people end up living in the hospital for months or even years. Every few weeks they get a hospital-related infection, they spend a few days in the ICU getting megadoses of antibiotics, and often time stabilizes. This cycle repeats itself many times, eventually we start so see more complications, abscesses, resistant infections, bowel perforations, GI bleeds, etc and then they start getting surgeries and procedures to deal with those. And the cycle continues until eventually, they die from some sort of overwhelming infection or some other complication. The other day in my news feed there was a story of a young guy that have been fighting coronavirus for months and had leg amputated due to complications. This story made it to the news because the guy was some sort of fashion/celebrity or something of the sort.
Yes, young people can survive it more often than old people. The same way that young people can survive a motorcycle accident more often than an old one... The problem is... the sequelae is often pretty bad as well.
The whole world (except us) took this seriously for a reason... Stop pretending, you are only harming yourself and those that you love.
Morons.
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