- 26 Jul 2020 16:35
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I think they will die down. However, I understand your concern, as conservatives are more driven by pessimism than optimism. There is some early research that suggest this is the case. Scientists are starting to find that there is a "conservative" and a "liberal" gene. Of course, it doesn't mean you're locked in if you have one of those genes, but gene's play a role is the point. Anyway..... Let me explain why I disagree with you.
Step 1: There is a failure here because the message keeps changing. It started as an anti-police brutality message, but now there are all sorts of other unfocused messages attached to it. Is it reform the police? is it defund the police? is it abolish police? Why are there other messages mixed in like black trans lives matter (are trans people even unfairly targeted by police?)? All of this unfocused stuff and moral grand standing affects step 2. Where are the leaders and organizers to spear head and focus this change? Where are the great orators like MLK jr or Malcom X? Notice no strong BLACK leader and voice has emerged from this. It's all just white people chanting slowgans, forming Mom walls, etc. etc. It's all well meaning, but it simply won't sustain because there is no organization and no strong black voice behind it all.
Step 2: The spectrum is shrinking due to their unfocused step 1. Most reasonable people wanted to get on board to address policing (including myself). Now if you say you support BLM, you run the risk of getting things like "abolished the police" attached to you, even if you don't believe that. Some will say this is the conservatives doing this, and he conservative media, but I think the movement is doing it to itself. Hell, they are the one's that started saying "abolish the police" and got city councils on board. All of this has pushed people away. It's pushed me away. I'm all for reforming how policing is done. However, I'm not for defunding the police (most people aren't), so they've lost me, along with lots of other people. The moral grandstanding associated with all of this is also losing people. There's a strong "off with their heads" attitude in this movement (i.e. all the cancel culture stuff which is strongly correlated with white and young people in the protests). This too is off putting for regular people regardless of their ethnicity. There are already many black professors/thinkers that are against BLM (for similar and different reasons as my own). Their voices are getting louder. The movement is definitely losing black support.
Step 3:
They've identified the pillars of power to basically be everything under the sun. Again, unfocused.
Step 4:
Why is it that when I see photos of protests in my own city, it's like 95% white people? A few latinos (probably grew up around white people mostly believing that stupid LatinX bullshit), and like 1 token black person? As I said before, the movement is losing black support. Which is critical for change. I do believe Malcolm X was right, that black people cannot and should not rely on whitey to do things for them. It will not turn out well (just look at the ridiculous White Fragility book). They've certainly failed to attract the right people. They are certainly acting to overpower with messages like defund the police to whatever. Most normal people won't go along with this. I think you will see more people speaking up.
Step 5:
What plan? The whole things became flawed at step 1.
My point to you is, this whole thing will collapse, it will implode and eat itself.
All the while the real problem and original cause will never get addressed, which is policing in America. A god damn fucking shame because people don't know how to create and sustain a focused movement. Instead we will focus on stupid shit, like making sure companies higher more blacks into leadership positions. Or making sure Hollywood puts in more black actors into movies. While not addressing the real problems, like public education in the ghetto. While not address single parent homes in the ghetto. While not addressing the lack of community after school programs in the ghetto. While not addressing access to health care, etc. etc. The shit that matters, the shit that lifts people out of poverty permanently. None of that is talked about right now, none of it.
Julian658 wrote:I am not so optimistic about the BLM/ANtifa alliance dying down. I bought two firearms to be ready to defend my home. I do not want looting in my neighborhood
I think they will die down. However, I understand your concern, as conservatives are more driven by pessimism than optimism. There is some early research that suggest this is the case. Scientists are starting to find that there is a "conservative" and a "liberal" gene. Of course, it doesn't mean you're locked in if you have one of those genes, but gene's play a role is the point. Anyway..... Let me explain why I disagree with you.
Step 1: There is a failure here because the message keeps changing. It started as an anti-police brutality message, but now there are all sorts of other unfocused messages attached to it. Is it reform the police? is it defund the police? is it abolish police? Why are there other messages mixed in like black trans lives matter (are trans people even unfairly targeted by police?)? All of this unfocused stuff and moral grand standing affects step 2. Where are the leaders and organizers to spear head and focus this change? Where are the great orators like MLK jr or Malcom X? Notice no strong BLACK leader and voice has emerged from this. It's all just white people chanting slowgans, forming Mom walls, etc. etc. It's all well meaning, but it simply won't sustain because there is no organization and no strong black voice behind it all.
Step 2: The spectrum is shrinking due to their unfocused step 1. Most reasonable people wanted to get on board to address policing (including myself). Now if you say you support BLM, you run the risk of getting things like "abolished the police" attached to you, even if you don't believe that. Some will say this is the conservatives doing this, and he conservative media, but I think the movement is doing it to itself. Hell, they are the one's that started saying "abolish the police" and got city councils on board. All of this has pushed people away. It's pushed me away. I'm all for reforming how policing is done. However, I'm not for defunding the police (most people aren't), so they've lost me, along with lots of other people. The moral grandstanding associated with all of this is also losing people. There's a strong "off with their heads" attitude in this movement (i.e. all the cancel culture stuff which is strongly correlated with white and young people in the protests). This too is off putting for regular people regardless of their ethnicity. There are already many black professors/thinkers that are against BLM (for similar and different reasons as my own). Their voices are getting louder. The movement is definitely losing black support.
Step 3:
They've identified the pillars of power to basically be everything under the sun. Again, unfocused.
Step 4:
Why is it that when I see photos of protests in my own city, it's like 95% white people? A few latinos (probably grew up around white people mostly believing that stupid LatinX bullshit), and like 1 token black person? As I said before, the movement is losing black support. Which is critical for change. I do believe Malcolm X was right, that black people cannot and should not rely on whitey to do things for them. It will not turn out well (just look at the ridiculous White Fragility book). They've certainly failed to attract the right people. They are certainly acting to overpower with messages like defund the police to whatever. Most normal people won't go along with this. I think you will see more people speaking up.
Step 5:
What plan? The whole things became flawed at step 1.
My point to you is, this whole thing will collapse, it will implode and eat itself.
All the while the real problem and original cause will never get addressed, which is policing in America. A god damn fucking shame because people don't know how to create and sustain a focused movement. Instead we will focus on stupid shit, like making sure companies higher more blacks into leadership positions. Or making sure Hollywood puts in more black actors into movies. While not addressing the real problems, like public education in the ghetto. While not address single parent homes in the ghetto. While not addressing the lack of community after school programs in the ghetto. While not addressing access to health care, etc. etc. The shit that matters, the shit that lifts people out of poverty permanently. None of that is talked about right now, none of it.
I can think of 11780 reasons Trump shouldn't be president ever again.
@Wulfschilde You're just full of lies and bullshit, aren't you?
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