- 11 Jul 2020 23:04
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No, reading *your material* isn't my strong suit.
I'm not concerned with any alleged 'genocidal intentions' on the part of Marx and Engels because *they're not around*. Certainly such, if even true -- and I'm *not* going to bother researching it -- is *irrelevant* in today's day and age, since that's beside the point, anyway.
You're ignoring the *politics* of the state, which, under *bourgeois* control is either nationalist / imperialist, or reformist. Under *workers* control it would expropriate the ruling class and annihilate the institution of private property, especially concerning the means of mass industrial production.
Components of Social Production
James Redford wrote:
I see that reading isn't your strong suit. Perhaps you should inquire with your local elementary schools to see if they offer remedial reading courses to the general public.
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels intended their system to be genocidally mass-murderous from the very start. For some details on that, see pp. 96-98 of my following article, particularly the footnotes therein:
* James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, https://archive.org/download/ThePhysics ... of-God.pdf , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .
From p. 97 of my foregoing article:
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The genocidal goals of Bernard Shaw and H. G. Wells along with the eugenics movement which they were a part (mentioned in footnote 214 on p. 88) is an objective found in Marx and Engels’s own writings. In the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, a newspaper published by Marx, Engels wrote [125] that “All the other large and small tribes and peoples [making up the Austrian Empire, other than the Germans, Poles, and Hungarians] have as the first mission to perish in the revolutionary world storm.” (My translation.) Engels goes on to state that the Gaels, Bretons, Basques, and South Slavs are “Völkerabfälle” (human trash). (For additional writings by Marx and Engels along the foregoing lines, see Ref. 466.) ...
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[125] Friedrich Engels, “Der magyarische Kampf”, Neue Rheinische Zeitung, No. 194, Jan. 13, 1849, WebCite: 5xJ36MXNW [ https://webcitation.org/5xJ36MXNW ], <http://goo.gl/5YV3k>. 97
[466] George Watson, The Lost Literature of Socialism (Cambridge, UK: Lutterworth Press, 2nd ed., 2002), ISBN 0718892275, LCCN 2010285797. 97
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No, reading *your material* isn't my strong suit.
I'm not concerned with any alleged 'genocidal intentions' on the part of Marx and Engels because *they're not around*. Certainly such, if even true -- and I'm *not* going to bother researching it -- is *irrelevant* in today's day and age, since that's beside the point, anyway.
James Redford wrote:
The horror-show that is socialism cannot be avoided, since the problem with socialism is government per se. Governments can only exist via the continual initiation of violence and threat thereof in order to maintain a coercive regional monopoly on ultimate control over the law (i.e., on the courts and police, etc.). This creates an unavoidable incentive-structure that rewards predation, since people are compelled by initiatory violence to be involved in the governmental system whether they want to be or not. That is, government is a species of rape: i.e., "The act of seizing and carrying away by force; violent seizure; robbery." (See Noah Porter [Ed.], Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language [Springfield, Mass.: G. & C. Merriam Company, 1913].)
What makes socialism the most mass-murderous philosophy ever conceived is precisely because it puts all power into the most mass-murderous organization to ever exist, i.e., the state. The liberal solution is to disempower the state, rather than empowering it as the collectivists do.
You're ignoring the *politics* of the state, which, under *bourgeois* control is either nationalist / imperialist, or reformist. Under *workers* control it would expropriate the ruling class and annihilate the institution of private property, especially concerning the means of mass industrial production.
Components of Social Production
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