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#15113099
Drlee wrote:So there is the deal. Is it wise for any American to post anti Trump stuff on a forum like this? Clearly identities are not carefully protected from a government actor. It is probably not even possible to do it. We already know that Trump will stop at nothing to destroy his "enemies" and that our gutted congress can do nothing to stop him. The US military could stop him from stealing the election but they won't. Republicans in congress are so terrified that they will not join democrats to stop him and he would just ignore them if he tried.


If I am not mistaken, the Govt has been able to access computerised data under the USA-PATRIOT Act. The good news is that there are a hell of a lot of people and President Trump hates reading. No one's going to bug you for name calling. But real plans.... maybe. Twitters more likely to be worried.

So what is the plan for surviving the end of US democracy? I am very serious about this. If I had a kid I would advise him to keep his head down, register as a republican or at worst an independent, and not discuss politics with anyone. If I was black I would plan to leave the country if I had the resources. Older American should start to figure out how to live without Social Security or Medicaid.

So serious question. Is it safe to keep posting here?


Where would the blacks go? No one will take you. Our Canadian nurses who were allowed to cross the border daily are now being told to "pick a side".

As to safety, yes, it is. There's too many to go after 1/2 the country. Where would President Trump put them all?
#15113104
Donald's "base" is around 35% ………… he represents his base. His non base is around 60% ……. he does not represent them and they have had ample time to notice this and get pissed off. In an Alice in Wonderland world where an actual fair election ( :lol: ) were to take place, there would be no contest. Donald is gone. It is a virtual given that 2020 will not be a fair election. In the real world those who yell the loudest about unfairness will be the ones calculating how to steal and be unfair. Any guesses as to who that is ( :lol: ). Donald is more or less following the business plan he has been following all of his life ……. and quite a successful plan it is. Create an atmosphere of sheer chaos, turn loose platoon after platoon of lawyers, wear down the opposition and emerge the "winner". This could very well "win" for Donald but may very well not end the chaos but magnify it greatly. Stay tuned …… we are watching history unfold.

Is jimjam concerned about going to jail for calling a spade a spade. Not hardly. I am so unimportant as to be a complete non entity.
#15113105
Istanbuller wrote:Military coup can be an option if left wins the election. Something can be similar to military coup of Chile in 1973.

Socialists should be eliminated from elections.


Well, Turkey does have a long history of military coups so I guess you're the expert. Oh right, they were not that fun when it happened in your neck of the woods, were they? Not a great fan of the Egyptian military in charge either I gather.

This Turkish ultra-fascism might be sinister and evil but honestly, it's mostly hilarious! :lol:
#15113109
@blackjack21

Trump, his republican allies and his supporters ARE the establishment. You CAN'T be the anti-establishment candidate or representatives if you ARE AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN the establishment. They want to keep AND NOT SHARE power because they saw others who were not part of the establishment like Obama getting a little bit of power so Trump was the backlash FROM the establishment. Trump was NOT anti-establishment but FROM the establishment that has always been long entrenched in Washington. Trump,his supporters and the republicans ARE the establishment. They are NOT the anti-establishment.

@Drlee

I think Trump will try to establish himself as dictator in order to preserve the excessive, over the top wealth and privilege that rich white people have always enjoyed since the founding of our republic. Whether he succeeds at installing himself as dictator of the U.S. remains to be seen. Nobody really knows what will happen. He could federalize the National Guard but he might face some legal constraints in using the National Guard plus face possible legal challenges.

But he could also drag out the court process too. But I do think without question Trump wants to destroy the republic and establish a dictatorship with him having absolute power over everybody and everyone where his word is total and absolute and there are no checks or balances on his power. Trump, his republican enablers and his supporters don't seem to care one bit about the will of the people and preserving the republic.

They just want their way no matter what and if that means destroying freedom and establishing dictatorship and tyranny, then so be it. They don't like freedom, they just like power and privilege. Because if they liked freedom they wouldn't be supporting Trump's attempts at destroying our republic and installing himself as emperor and dictator.

Drlee wrote:Clearly identities are not carefully protected from a government actor. It is probably not even possible to do it.


Most cyber-criminals get away with their crimes. There ARE ways to make it hard for governments to trace and eavesdrop in on your internet communications. However, the government has the NSA and a lot of high tech resources at it's disposal and it's own expert hackers and very brilliant people working for them. You have to know what you are doing though and it seems most people don't have that knowledge. You would also have to know how to spoof your MAC address so that it would be hard for the government to tie a given MAC address to your actual wireless or wired network interface card. But you really got to dot all your i's and t's when making it difficult for the government to trace your IP address and your MAC address. But it can be done.

That, and the government has a lot of brilliant computer professionals working for them too that they can utilize plus digital forensic experts who are very good. There are anti-forensic tools that can be used but they are not a guarantee. But I do think you can make it very difficult for governments trace and eavesdrop on your communications but you would have to be very careful. This is one of the reasons why the FBI and the Department of Justice hates encryption, especially solid encryption from open source software whose code can be examined by anybody with coding knowledge for any backdoors.

The government could easily trace me currently on this forum because I haven't really attempted to make my IP address difficult to trace or to make my communications difficult for anybody but intended recipients to read, but I can do it if I want. But nobody is uncatchable either. But you can make it hard to be caught if you know what you are doing. Most people don't know how to do that though.

It can turn into a high stakes cat and mouse game in cyber-space when dealing with skilled digital forensic experts, highly skilled hackers on both sides good at covering their tracks and keeping themselves difficult to detect, system administrators and security administrators who are good at detecting and preventing breaches. Sometimes they will also set traps for hackers like setting up fake networks that appear to be real and have valuable data to lure hackers in. They do this to learn current techniques hackers are using and then develop counter-measures to those techniques. So, such traps rely heavily on deceiving hackers and getting them to take the bait.
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#15113113
Drlee wrote:This is not a conspiracy theory. I want a serious discussion.

In November Trump will be "reelected". He will do this by taking whatever steps are necessary to nullify the votes of those who oppose him. He may even federalize the National Guard to do it. There is really no reason for him not to. He will, shortly after leaving office, be arrested and he knows it. Once in office ostensibly for the next four years he will be even more dangerous.

So there is the deal. Is it wise for any American to post anti Trump stuff on a forum like this? Clearly identities are not carefully protected from a government actor. It is probably not even possible to do it. We already know that Trump will stop at nothing to destroy his "enemies" and that our gutted congress can do nothing to stop him. The US military could stop him from stealing the election but they won't. Republicans in congress are so terrified that they will not join democrats to stop him and he would just ignore them if he tried.

So what is the plan for surviving the end of US democracy? I am very serious about this. If I had a kid I would advise him to keep his head down, register as a republican or at worst an independent, and not discuss politics with anyone. If I was black I would plan to leave the country if I had the resources. Older American should start to figure out how to live without Social Security or Medicaid.

So serious question. Is it safe to keep posting here?


I knew things would rapidly go downhill once that Trump man was elected and not with a popular vote.

I wanted to leave for Mexico right away in early 2017, but things got complicated. I feel safe in AMLO's Mexico. I chose one of the safest cities in all of North America. I don't trust the American government Drlee. Due to personal experience. So, I sought a solution to be able to write and not worry about being vulnerable to American government crap accusations or persecutions. Plus, there are millions of posters and it is going to be expensive going after millions of Trump haters.

I think the best thing is to just sit tight and wait for the fraud. I do think there will be fraud happening and suppression of the vote.If the fraud is successful? the USA government system is done Drlee. Trying to oust these people is going to be hard. I know because Latn America has been through the fraud shit a lot. In Puerto Rico there was a lack of ballots available to distribute. I bet that will be the case in the elections in November 3.

Trump sucks. But the man knows how to keep his fat ass in power.
#15113114
@Tainari88

Tainari88 wrote:I knew things would rapidly go downhill once that Trump man was elected and not with a popular vote.


I knew Trump was a serious threat to the U.S. when he first started running his campaign BEFORE he was elected. I also knew he had a good chance to get elected. All Trump did to get himself elected was no different than how Adolf Hitler got into power. He just appealed to the prejudices and fears of a certain segment of the population. That's all he did. It's how Hitler got into power and it's how Trump got into power. Trump hates the will of the people. He didn't get elected via the majority vote.

He's a tyrant and wants to destroy the U.S. republic and establish himself as absolute dictator with absolute power and have no checks or balances on his power. Trump also knows their is a good chance he will get arrested if he loses re-election. So, he has to keep his throne if he wants to have the best chance of staying out of prison. Even if he isn't re-elected and is arrested after he leaves office there still isn't a guarantee he will go to prison like he deserves because he has a ton of money to hire high powered attorneys.

Older American should start to figure out how to live without Social Security or Medicaid.


@Drlee

I agree Drlee. Americans should start planning not having social security, medicare or medicaid. Gotta pay for all these tax cuts to the rich so that government can keep operating. Those tax cuts are being paid for via gutting social security, medicare and medicaid. They were also paid for by closing down the pandemic team.
#15113116
Tainari88 wrote:Trump sucks. But the man knows how to keep his fat ass in power.


Kamala Harris's shitty performance in the primaries, including attacking him consistently, is going to haunt Biden come November.

I wanted Gabbard as VP with her genuine progressive politics. I'm supporting Trump again as a protest vote now.

Harris(and Booker too) relied on winning the black vote during the primaries, did she win it? Nope. Failed spectacularly. You might go "because blacks voted Biden" well maybe, but most of us correctly believe because it is how toxic Harris is for the black community(she's hated by the BLM movement for a reason) and that Black Americans saw right through her fake campaign.
#15113118
I wanted Gabbard as VP with her genuine progressive politics. I'm supporting Trump again as a protest vote now.


Oh bullshit. You have to do much better than that. It does not even make sense.

You did not get someone as vice president who is progressive enough so you are going to support the least progressive person you can find.

I think we all know what your problem with Harris is.

But since you do not like the US much I think a vote for Trump is warranted. The union will never survive four more years of him.

It will be interesting to see which sphere of influence it is into witch Oz falls. I'm pretty sure China. The US will snag the PI and India will pretty much join us in some small way. Turkey will go with Putin and the EU will arm the shit out of itself with the France providing the nukes.
#15113120
colliric wrote:
Biden picking Kamala Harris is going to piss off the Bernie Bros and the progressive wing of the party anyway, so it could be a clear Trump win on Election night and still a clear win once mail-in votes are counted.



Some of the kids may get pissed off, but most Progressives understand how the game is played.

Love the hallucinations, but remember even the best Disney movie ends and you have to go face the world.

You will see a lot of crap, that's all it's going to be, even when Barr indicts Hunter. Just the usual Republican BS...

It won't work.
#15113121
Politics_Observer wrote:Trump, his republican allies and his supporters ARE the establishment. You CAN'T be the anti-establishment candidate or representatives if you ARE AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN the establishment. They want to keep AND NOT SHARE power because they saw others who were not part of the establishment like Obama getting a little bit of power so Trump was the backlash FROM the establishment. Trump was NOT anti-establishment but FROM the establishment that has always been long entrenched in Washington. Trump,his supporters and the republicans ARE the establishment. They are NOT the anti-establishment.

When I'm talking about the establishment, I'm talking about breeding and grooming. Trump was not born to be president of the United States. He wasn't even born to be an ambassador. Both George Bushes, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama were groomed to be politicians. The Bush family was wealthy, and so they looked at it as natural. Clinton came from a poor family. Hillary and Obama from the middle class. They needed backers and had them. Trump is his own man, and that's why he scares the shit out of the establishment.

Politics_Observer wrote:They just want their way no matter what and if that means destroying freedom and establishing dictatorship and tyranny, then so be it. They don't like freedom, they just like power and privilege.

You say this unironically while governors are behaving as dictators, issuing emergency orders without even a period of notice or comment or even amending orders already promulgated after time for notice and comment.

Politics_Observer wrote:Gotta pay for all these tax cuts to the rich so that government can keep operating.

They are a pittance compared to the subsidies given to stimulate the economy.
#15113122
Drlee wrote:
Oh bullshit. You have to do much better than that. It does not even make sense.

You did not get someone as vice president who is progressive enough so you are going to support the least progressive person you can find.

I think we all know what your problem with Harris is.



That was classic, wasn't it.
#15113125
@Istanbuller The left can't win in the USA, as there is no "left" party running during these elections.
#15113219
Drlee wrote:This is not a conspiracy theory. I want a serious discussion.?


LOL serious. You still think Trump collided with Russia LOL :lol:

Drlee wrote:So serious question. Is it safe to keep posting here?


LO :lol: This is an Anti American propaganda and gaslight echo chamber of course its safe here for you to post your projections.
#15113289
@Finfinder LOL serious. You still think Trump collided with Russia LOL :lol:


Yes I do. So does the intelligence community, the FBI and Mueller.

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