Drlee wrote:"The left" is anyone who believes in racial equality under the law.
You think Abraham Lincoln and the radical Republicans of the 19th Century were leftists?
Drlee wrote:They cannot understand the difference between "equal" and "the same".
Why don't you provide an enlightening example of the difference between "equal" and "the same"? I'm assuming there is some abstraction you think is novel and non-obvious here.
Drlee wrote:They cannot reconcile the notion that people are protected equally under the law.
Why do you think that is the case?
Drlee wrote:This is why they (ironically) constantly bring up IQ.
I bring up IQ regularly to note income inequality, and to further note that IQ distribution appears to have some central tendencies on a racial basis as well. IQ differences and income distribution have nothing to do with equality under the law.
Hindsite wrote:The trial and jury will have to determine what happens next, but with all the hype and media attention on the knee on the neck for so long, I would not be surprised by a conviction of manslaughter.
I'm ignorant of Minnesota law. Can juries in Minnesota find for a lesser murder charge? In California, they cannot. The Rodney King verdict was "not guilty," because the prosecutor overcharged--adding "with a deadly weapon" (usually meaning firearms) to the charge, arguing that batons are deadly weapons--and the jury did not buy it. In this case, AG Ellis already had video evidence that Floyd was in respiratory distress prior to Chauvin's action, and yet chose to withhold that information from the general public and charge Chauvin with second degree murder. This is one of the ways the urban Democrat political machine gets police officers acquitted of charges.
Godstud wrote:The only relevant thing is that the police officer knelt on Floyd's neck, until he died from it.
Unfortunately, there are other factors that AG Ellis deliberately withheld from the public. Floyd complained of respiratory distress well before he was subject to stronger physical restraint, suggesting the knee on the neck was not the proximate cause of the respiratory distress, and was in fact antecedent to Chauvin's action with the knee on the neck. Floyd was intoxicated and apparently infected with coronavirus. Many coronavirus cases involve a person apparently feeling normal, but with blood oxygen falling from a normal level of 98-99% down to like 70%. So Floyd was able to breath and yell at the officers, but aerobic respiration of his blood was failing. Clearly, none of the officers would have understood the medical situation, particularly with the novel aspect of coronavirus hypoxia, which has even puzzled many doctors and Floyd's ability to yell at them while complaining of shortness of breath.
Godstud wrote:He died as a direct result of that police officer's actions, and belligerence.
Looking at it exclusively from Floyd's restraint, one might be inclined to believe that is the case. My guess is that you haven't seen the video of Floyd complaining of shortness of breath while screaming at the police officers well before this occurred. It could be that Floyd was suffering from covid-19 induced hypoxia and didn't understand it, that his respiration appeared to be fine, that Floyd was panicking, and that officers interpreted his panic as non-compliance with lawful orders. That does not excuse Chauvin's use of a non-authorized restraint, but it does suggest that he may have not had any malicious intent.
Godstud wrote:How racist fucks feel about it is also irrelevant. Only the lowest form of shit defends police officers engaging in police brutality.
It depends upon the charges, Minnesota law, and the jury. As I said, I'm ignorant of Minnesota law. However, apparently AG Harris knew of Floyd's complaint of respiratory distress prior to Chauvin's unnecessary restraint. I'm not sure, but this could be construed as exculpatory evidence and if it was known and withheld from a grand jury, that could also be problematic.
Godstud wrote:The evidence states, overwhelmingly that it's the fault.
Evidence does not make statements. In this case, a medical examiner commissioned by Floyd's family--likely for the purposes of trying to sustain a wrongful death suit--made this conclusion, and did so also in the absence of evidence withheld by AG Ellis.
Godstud wrote:Had he not been kneeling on his neck, and restricting bloodflow, there is no evidence that he would have died.
There is video evidence of Floyd complaining of respiratory distress prior to Chauvin's action, and it was withheld from the general public at the least. Again, that does not excuse Chauvin's action, but it does suggest a probable absence of malice.
Godstud wrote:Neck compression is what he died from.
That's not what the report says. He died from cardiopulmonary arrest.
Drlee wrote:Nor would I. I think that is where this will land. That and a light sentence.
That's where it should land, but it's a question of whether a jury can find for manslaughter if the charge is second degree murder. In California, a jury cannot do that. This is what I mean that the urban Democrat political machine protects its own this way. A first year law student knows not to overcharge someone. Yet, when a political system is deliberately fanning the flames and then overcharging, they may be doing so to prevent a conviction on more serious charges.
Drlee wrote:Nor would I. I think that is where this will land. That and a light sentence.
They did launch and investigation. However, like the Michael Brown case, there may be no indicator of racial animus to sustain such a charge.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Most cops and DAs have no trouble looking the other way when a cop kills an innocent black person.
Yeah, but if a video goes viral, they're stuck.
Julian658 wrote:Floyd was intoxicated on drugs and clearly stated he could not breath well before the knee was placed behind his neck.
This information was withheld from the general public until recently, and the media is not covering it. So it is understandable why people don't know this information. Generally, when people come to a hasty conclusion, many will defend their rush to judgement. Godstud is an example of this behavior.
Julian658 wrote:Nevertheless, the cop was WRONG. He used unnecessary violence that might have accelerated the final event.
That's a correct interpretation. The issue now is that people need a legal remedy to prevent it from happening again, and that's where the resistance from the establishment is coming from.
Julian658 wrote:We will never know if Floyd would have died sitting in the back of the squad car if he had decided to cooperate.
If they took him to jail, it's quite possible he would have died in jail. XogGyux has argued that the levels of fentanyl in his system wouldn't cause cardiopulmonary arrest by itself, and I'm inclined to agree. However, opioids like Norco (tylenol with codeine) are often used as a cough suppressant--decreasing respiration. If Floyd had coronavirus and then took fentanyl, the reduced respiration coupled with covid my have induced hypoxia. Floyd's non-compliance may have been a legitimate sense of panic, and Chauvin mistakenly interpreted it as non-compliance with a lawful order. His knee against Floyd's neck was unwarranted. It is unlikely that Chauvin used force sufficient to block Floyd's breathing; however, Chauvin ignored--knowingly or unknowingly--what was apparently a legitimate medical complaint. However, the examiners are downplaying the Wuhan coronavirus as a factor for what seems like political reasons.
Godstud wrote:I am not the one constantly defending racists and Nazis.
Who is defending racists and nazis?
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