[Pants-of-dog]

If people want to look at each case individually, we can do that.

For the first case already presented, there is no evidence that it is related to the protests except that the looting took advantage of the protest and the crime related to looting.

Shall we go to the next one?

[blackjack21]

How about running over police officers. Is that violent, or peaceful?

[blackjack21]

No comment I see. How about shooting two police officers, while bystanders record it and mock the police. Then, BLM protesters show up to the hospital emergency entrance, block it, and shout "oink, oink!" and "We hope you die!" Is that peaceful protesting? Is it a good idea for Joe Biden, when the police were obviously shot with a pistol, to bring up gun control vis-a-vis assault weapons and large capacity magazine--a ban that was just struck down by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals?

The horrific Compton shooting should be a clarifying moment in America

How about the shooting of Aaron “Jay” Danielson by Michael Forest Reinoehl? I mean, you could argue that it's totally unrelated to the protests, but Reinoehl was previously arrested for unlawfully carrying a gun, and was later released only to kill Danielson. He attended the riots, and even had a clenched fist tatooed on his neck--a symbol frequently used by BLM. It appears from video sources that Danielson was stalked by Reinoehl and others, singled out as a Trump supporter, shot and killed. Does that constitute violence? Or was he shot peacefully in a matter totally unrelated to the Portland riots?

Portland detectives reveal details of deadly shooting between Patriot Prayer, Antifa supporters

[skinster]

The police are not burning down businesses or looting. That's rioters.

Well we saw them placing carts of bricks near where protests were happening in the earlier protests against George Floyd's murder. There's been cops caught out by protesters within the crowds too, pretending to not be cops. There is no doubt much infiltration going on in protests and anti-police-violence orgs, which likely includes violence to demonise those protesting against their regular murder-with-impunity.

But sure, they're not doing much besides that and hydrating out-of-town right wing militia types who come to protests for fights. Oh and that thing they do, executing people often on camera that is the cause of the protests to begin with. No biggie though, what do the lives and bodies of people matter when inanimate objects are risk?

[blackjack21]

Well we saw them placing carts of bricks near where protests were happening in the earlier protests against George Floyd's murder.

You actually saw people you know to be police placing bricks near protests? Nothing the Democrats do really surprises me, but I assume they are using Antifa members or their assets to do most of that activity.

There's been cops caught out by protesters within the crowds too, pretending to not be cops.

It's not uncommon for police to have plain clothes or under cover units. Are you saying they were rioting, or merely infiltrating?

There is no doubt much infiltration going on in protests and anti-police-violence orgs, which likely includes violence to demonise those protesting against their regular murder-with-impunity.

So you have no doubt, but do you have evidence? I mean we see plain as day something like the Antifa guy who killed a Patriot Prayer protester having been previously arrested on a gun charge during a protest and simply being released with his gun by the district attorney. So we know that the Democrats are involved in trying to keep the riots going. It would be interesting if we could prove that they are actually using the police to the same end.

Oh and that thing they do, executing people often on camera that is the cause of the protests to begin with.

I think there is a general consensus that Derek Chauvin was a dirty cop. There is new evidence that George Floyd may have died as a proximate cause of his fentanyl use. Apparently, he also had covid. My mother just got over it, and she had difficulty breathing too. In spite of that evidence, civil rights attorney Robert Barnes still thinks that Chauvin is a dirty cop. Here are some of his comments:

Chauvin comments are about 4 minutes in. Also, get to about 5:30. If Floyd was an informant, and may have complained against Chauvin, that would be interesting. Also, about 13:00 minutes in he starts talking about possible ties to political actors. Remember that Amy Klobuchar dropped out of the race, and out of VP contention too as she let Chauvin go.

If there is going to be change, there needs to be political change. So far, I don't see a lot of appetite among urban Democrats to abandon the Democrats. That's what really needs to happen. As long as the Democrats have an absolute lock on power in the cities, nothing will ever happen to them.

[skinster]

You actually saw people you know to be police placing bricks near protests?

Cops were leaving bricks near protests to incite violence at protests.

It's not uncommon for police to have plain clothes or under cover units. Are you saying they were rioting, or merely infiltrating?

Both.

[Hindsite]

Cops were leaving bricks near protests to incite violence at protests.

This is what I call extreme left-wing Marxist propaganda. I suspect an Antifa group sponsored by George Soros.

[blackjack21]

Cops were leaving bricks near protests to incite violence at protests.

I understand the assertion. Where is the evidence? What police force were they from, and in what venue/jurisdiction did they leave the bricks?

This is what I call extreme left-wing Marxist propaganda. I suspect an Antifa group sponsored by George Soros.

Yes. I heard reports of young people in vans dropping them off, and even handing them out to people out of vans. I haven't heard any reports of police doing this. I rather doubt that this is something police would do in uniform, so if someone witnessed a police officer doing it out of uniform it implies they know the identity of the officer. It sounds apocryphal to me.

[Hindsite]

It's also why the BLM protesters aren't looked on favorably by a lot of Americans, as nobody compels them to go to a hospital and riot where two sheriffs deputies were being treated following an assassination attempt. Even Biden and Harris had to condemn this.

The police are not burning down businesses or looting. That's rioters.

This is why we don't trust the mainstream media to tell the truth.

It's also why the BLM protesters aren't looked on favorably by a lot of Americans, as nobody compels them to go to a hospital and riot where two sheriffs deputies were being treated following an assassination attempt. Even Biden and Harris had to condemn this.

BLM and Antifa are both a bunch of Marxist thugs.

[annatar1914]

BLM and Antifa are both a bunch of Marxist thugs.

Maybe it's just me but that word ''Marxist'' gets thrown about a lot in right-wing America, when I'm not sure the people who use it know what it means or if it's really an accurate descriptor of what these BLM/Antifa types are really believing in. Same with words like ''Socialist''.

It's kind of like some Liberals calling everyone on the right ''Fascists'' or ''Nazis'', not sure what those terms mean to people anymore.

To me as far as I can tell, many of these people rioting are Anarchists, or people role-playing as Anarchists, who don't believe in government at all so they're not really Marxists. Marx and Bakunin went round and round on this issue, so pretty sure these BLM/Antifa people aren't really Marxists in any real sense.

[Hindsite]

Maybe it's just me but that word ''Marxist'' gets thrown about a lot in right-wing America, when I'm not sure the people who use it know what it means or if it's really an accurate descriptor of what these BLM/Antifa types are really believing in. Same with words like ''Socialist''.

Marxist, Communist, Socialist are basically the same. They are all left-wing radicals and the opposite of right-wing conservative Capitalist.

It's kind of like some Liberals calling everyone on the right ''Fascists'' or ''Nazis'', not sure what those terms mean to people anymore.

To me as far as I can tell, many of these people rioting are Anarchists, or people role-playing as Anarchists, who don't believe in government at all so they're not really Marxists. Marx and Bakunin went round and round on this issue, so pretty sure these BLM/Antifa people aren't really Marxists in any real sense.

They are Anarchist in the sense that they don't want a Donald Trump run American government. However, they do have a Marxist ideology of how they want government to run. Capitalism bad and Orange man bad.

[KurtFF8]

I think it's quite clear from this thread that users like @Hindsite and @blackjack21 don't actually know what terms like "Marxism" or "Socialism" actually mean.

It's as if they're mistaking Trump/Fox News like tweets for actual political discourse.

[annatar1914]

@Hindsite , you said;

Marxist, Communist, Socialist are basically the same.

No, no they are not basically the same.

They are all left-wing radicals and the opposite of right-wing conservative Capitalist.

Capitalism is neither ''conservative'' nor ''right wing'' in reality.

They are Anarchist in the sense that they don't want a Donald Trump run American government.

Anarchists don't want any government, run by Donald Trump or anyone else, that's why they call themselves Anarchists.

However, they do have a Marxist ideology of how they want government to run.

Anarchists even of the Socialist type are not Marxists, Marx fought Anarchists and believed in a State run by Socialists which would eventually not be needed anymore. Anarchists do not believe in government, at all.

Capitalism bad and Orange man bad.

The two don't necessarily go together in what people like or dislike. You're as obsessed with Trump as any Liberal, if not more so.

[Wellsy]

There must be some basis of hope in either a protest or riot for change. Those who truly despair cannot be agitated as they have no expectations for sometging better.

[Hindsite]

I think it's quite clear from this thread that users like @Hindsite and @blackjack21 don't actually know what terms like "Marxism" or "Socialism" actually mean.

We know enough about Marxism, Socialism, and Communism to know that they are worse than Capitalism.

Capitalism is neither ''conservative'' nor ''right wing'' in reality.

Capitalism has proven to be better than the others in reality.

Anarchists don't want any government, run by Donald Trump or anyone else, that's why they call themselves Anarchists.

That is especially true if they have to obey the police or their parents.

Anarchists even of the Socialist type are not Marxists, Marx fought Anarchists and believed in a State run by Socialists which would eventually not be needed anymore. Anarchists do not believe in government, at all.

I believe in a government run by Donald Trump, who will eventually not be needed anymore.

The two don't necessarily go together in what people like or dislike. You're as obsessed with Trump as any Liberal, if not more so.

I am not obsessed with Trump. He is just much better than the alternative choice in my opinion.
Praise the Lord.

[KurtFF8]

We know enough about Marxism, Socialism, and Communism to know that they are worse than Capitalism.

You keep demonstrating that all you know about these words is that they're "bad words" for you to use as political jabs in place of actual discourse.

[Godstud]

I am not obsessed with Trump. He is just much better than the alternative choice in my opinion.

Infatuated would be a much better word. He practically lusts after him.

[annatar1914]

@Hindsite ,

Capitalism has proven to be better than the others in reality.

Not really, maybe better at snuffing out any attempted alternative to it, or better at appealing to the worst in human nature; greed, envy, vanity, theft, murder, etc...

I am not obsessed with Trump. He is just much better than the alternative choice in my opinion.
Praise the Lord.

One wouldn't know that you aren't obsessed with Trump by the way you post on here, although some of that seems to be just deliberate triggering of Liberals. Fact is, Trump is quite the Liberal himself, pushing other countries to de-criminalize homosexuality and all. That's the problem with ''Conservatives''; they don't know what or how much to conserve, and are always just yesterday's ''Liberal''.

[Hindsite]

@Hindsite ,
One wouldn't know that you aren't obsessed with Trump by the way you post on here, although some of that seems to be just deliberate triggering of Liberals. Fact is, Trump is quite the Liberal himself, pushing other countries to de-criminalize homosexuality and all. That's the problem with ''Conservatives''; they don't know what or how much to conserve, and are always just yesterday's ''Liberal''.

Why should homosexuality be criminalized?

[annatar1914]

Why should homosexuality be criminalized?

Is that a serious question? I guess you're not that ''conservative''. Fact is, President Trump has quite a few Homosexual friends and supporters. They know he favors gay marriage. Do you?

There was a time in recent living memory when there were laws on the books that outlawed Homosexual acts in the United States and around the world, including the Soviet Union.