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As either the transitional stage to communism or legitimate socio-economic ends in its own right.
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It is possible to oppose the neoliberal order and not be a socialist. I'm glad you've come to understand that.
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Random American wrote:
It is possible to oppose the neoliberal order and not be a socialist. I'm glad you've come to understand that.



AS, at least in this thread, isn't positing some kind of general anti-neoliberal type of politics.

AS is *personalizing* politics, which is just *ridiculous* -- *consumerist*, really, even going so far as to compare socialism to *drug use*, which is a more apt parallel to make with *religion*, since religion *is* personal and lifestylist, while politics is about *society*, and has the potential to be scientific.
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B0ycey wrote:Funny. The happiest nations in the world usually embrace social programs like healthcare.


Pretty much all have homogenized demographic. At first I called white republicans and conservatives "racists"(they are but, I don't use that term much anymore cause it implies I'm an integrationist or lack common sense.) cause through out their whole bullshitted rhetoric personality responsibility and fuck you got my attitude, it was just front for not letting Black people have access to it. But now it make sense, we would be more dependent on their white government and welfare and considering how Black babies are 3 more likely to die in white hospital hands, Blacks being guinea pigs for vaccine trials. And still getting less quality even when they pay for it(doctors believe Blacks have less reception to pain), and we'll just waste it.

Godstud wrote:I doubt very much that you were ever a "Socialist", @Agent Steel. You've always struck me as a right-winger in all your postings.


You can be a right winger politically and socially and be economically socialist.

t.yours truly.
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Agent Steel wrote:I made a few posts on this forum intermittently saying that I thought that socialism is a good thing and that we should strive for it.

Well, today I'm actually a much happier and healthier person than I was before.

You see, it was only when I was really angry and vengeful towards society that I sympathized with socialist ideas. I felt completely screwed over and felt that I deserved to get something back to compensate for all of my suffering.

In that type of troubled state, it's not easy to think rationally.

But the truth is that socialism actually would have only ended up hurting me even more. As hard as that is to imagine, given all of my pain and suffering, that is actually the harsh truth.

When you think things can't get any worse you are willing to take risks for example like trying drugs to alleviate the pain. Like drugs, socialism could relieve your pain but only for a short while. It would be a big mistake and it would create a reality far worse than anything you could imagine!


To summarize; you became a productive member of society again, no longer relying on handouts, and now you are no longer a socialist. Makes sense. Socialism is good in small doses, as a safety net. But making it the basis of your entire socio-economic system is as foolish as making unbridled private corporatism the basis of your economy. It doesn't serve most in the real world most of the time long term. You need a mixed outlook.
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Black Consequense wrote:
Pretty much all have homogenized demographic. At first I called white republicans and conservatives "racists"(they are but, I don't use that term much anymore cause it implies I'm an integrationist or lack common sense.) cause through out their whole bullshitted rhetoric personality responsibility and fuck you got my attitude, it was just front for not letting Black people have access to it. But now it make sense, we would be more dependent on their white government and welfare and considering how Black babies are 3 more likely to die in white hospital hands, Blacks being guinea pigs for vaccine trials. And still getting less quality even when they pay for it(doctors believe Blacks have less reception to pain), and we'll just waste it.



You can be a right winger politically and socially and be economically socialist.

t.yours truly.



No, a person *can't* be a right-winger politically and socially and still be a socialist in any way. Remember 'separate but equal' in the U.S. -- ?

Regarding your social separatist politics, what do you think about colleges and universities?

Being a workers-of-the-world socialist both economically and politically, I'm all for anti-oppression activism but the accompanying political *separatism* I'm seeing doesn't sit right. I think it's *understandable* but also bemoanable.

Any comment on W.E.B. Du Bois?
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Igor Antunov wrote:
To summarize; you became a productive member of society again, no longer relying on handouts, and now you are no longer a socialist. Makes sense. Socialism is good in small doses, as a safety net. But making it the basis of your entire socio-economic system is as foolish as making unbridled private corporatism the basis of your economy. It doesn't serve most in the real world most of the time long term. You need a mixed outlook.


Exactly, thank you.

But FYI I never took any government handouts. I inherited some wealth though.
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Government subsidies seem to work well enough for private research, the military, corporations, the wealthy (tax cuts), and even Wall Street.

That's socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else.
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Agent Steel wrote:
How are tax cuts a form of socialism?



All other taxpayers have to assume the tax burden that the wealthy and corporations *don't*, due to *loopholes* in the tax code.

That means that corporations and the wealthy are being *subsidized*, which is socialism-for-the-rich.
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Agent Steel wrote:Not true; the wealthier you are the higher your tax rate is.


Not really. Once you go past a typical doctors salary (poor docs pay $55% tax in this country) and hit the big leagues, i.e over 1 million a year, the taxation system of any given country no longer applies to you. You buy your way onto a board of directors and bam you're part of the global taxation system. i.e loopholes galore. Then your corporation only pays 1-2% tax (see facebook/google/apple in australia) and even the middling shareholders get those benefits handed down to them through inflated dividends.
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ckaihatsu wrote:No, a person *can't* be a right-winger politically and socially and still be a socialist in any way. Remember 'separate but equal' in the U.S. -- ?


Which was better than what we have now, and we had stable families back then. We have Black towns and more black property then.

Regarding your social separatist politics, what do you think about colleges and universities?


Burn them all, hang the professors. Salvage the Black conscious ones and works.

Being a workers-of-the-world socialist both economically and politically, I'm all for anti-oppression activism but the accompanying political *separatism* I'm seeing doesn't sit right. I think it's *understandable* but also bemoan able.


Why? Free-Association and self-determination of ethnic groups is the key component of socialism as it calm to be. So why can't Blacks who have know to face oppression regardless of economic system(racism is still a thing in Cuba) and people not be free to make their own destiny, what if the majority of Blacks are in favor of separatism, you people going to force us to live with you to conform to your anti-racial pride, anti-cultural, anti-religious ways? We not in favor of lgbt rights, we're not in favor of race mixing, we're not in favor of abolition of our borders and Black family.

Any comment on W.E.B. Du Bois?

A miscegenatist who hated African features and ruined Black America chance for going back to Africa. He was a eugenics supporter and supported both Tankies and Japan so that's one of the few redeeming qualities.
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Igor Antunov wrote:
Not really. Once you go past a typical doctors salary (poor docs pay $55% tax in this country) and hit the big leagues, i.e over 1 million a year, the taxation system of any given country no longer applies to you. You buy your way onto a board of directors and bam you're part of the global taxation system. i.e loopholes galore. Then your corporation only pays 1-2% tax (see facebook/google/apple in australia) and even the middling shareholders get those benefits handed down to them through inflated dividends.


It's good to be rich.

FUCK POOR PEOPLE!
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Rancid wrote:It's good to be rich.

FUCK POOR PEOPLE!

Here is an oldie, but a goodie!
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ckaihatsu wrote:Government subsidies seem to work well enough for private research, the military, corporations, the wealthy (tax cuts), and even Wall Street.

That's socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else.

We should just call that kleptocracy. It is a rule by thieves; they tax us and give our money to the elites who gorge themselves.
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Random American wrote:
We should just call that kleptocracy. It is a rule by thieves; they tax us and give our money to the elites who gorge themselves.



Well, that's refreshing. Looks like we have to overthrow the monarchy all over again -- !
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Igor Antunov wrote:
Not really. Once you go past a typical doctors salary (poor docs pay $55% tax in this country) and hit the big leagues, i.e over 1 million a year, the taxation system of any given country no longer applies to you. You buy your way onto a board of directors and bam you're part of the global taxation system. i.e loopholes galore. Then your corporation only pays 1-2% tax (see facebook/google/apple in australia) and even the middling shareholders get those benefits handed down to them through inflated dividends.


This is mostly wrong information.

Do you have any idea how much Bill Gates pays in taxes? He has paid tens of billions of dollars.

The guy from Amazon I don't know much about sorry. Maybe he is an exception.

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