Politics_Observer wrote:@Patrickov
I think Godstud hit the nail on the head with his post. The U.S. government is failing to provide for the needs of the people. We need better and cheaper healthcare as well as universal healthcare. The U.S. government, despite having the expertise and resources, fails to protect it's citizens from COVID. The U.S. government has failed to regulate capitalism and has busted unions which is led to the rise of fascism and now we are on the brink of having a dictator officially here in the U.S. with our form of government completely destroyed by Trump and the republicans.
After January 20, 2021; we might not be able to honestly call ourselves a republic anymore and who knows, we might be in a war or we might just have a dictatorship or the country could just split apart. When that happens, if they are able, a lot of great brilliant minds will leave the U.S. and move to other countries with more stable governments who better provide and represent their people, IF those governments are willing to take them.
Which some governments will because they want the talent and brainpower. This is all the republicans and Trump's doing these past 4 years. Nobody else is to blame. These past 4 years are ALL on the republicans and Trump. The U.S. government is failing right now under republicans and Trump to offer the stability and security as well assure their rights of it's citizens to live in freedom with the genuine rule of law that people need. If they install a Trump dictatorship, people are going to leave and and live abroad even more. I don't blame them.
While I wholly agree that the Trump administration must be accounted for their failings (up to the point of, say, being killed if other means do not work), I still think you anti-Trumpers exaggerated their responsibility, very much because you guys had been too infatuated by the Obama administration.
I have two point to refute both your and Member Godstud's accusations of Trump administration:
1. The epidemic would not have spread like this if social distancing was observed better, and
2. There are other places whose governments often make measures in deliberate disregard of public safety in favour of political agenda, but the citizens, in control of their governments
or not, observe measures to save themselves.
For example, Hong Kong Government's effort in distribution of resources and border shutoff have been less than optimal, and it's widely believed that this lackluster performance was to allow more privileged Mainland Chinese to get better treatment. Hong Kong's relative success compared to, say, Singapore, was largely credited to residents' own vigilance.
There were also Hongkongers trying to leave the place early in the epidemic because of belief similar to Member Godstud's point 2. Some of them had their plans badly backfired, and their lack of precautions made them catch the disease abroad.
All in all, I strongly believe individual behaviour matter much more than governmental response, and Trumpers are not
totally pointless in pointing out that Democrat-controlled states are harder hit and their administration should also share some of the responsibility. Of course, I don't side with them either because they probably hide Republican sabotage, which I believe also exists to some extent.
On a side note, in the July epidemic of Hong Kong it's those who side with the CCP collaborating government suffering more, because they do not observe whatever measures necessary, and I indeed believe Republican supporters (even in bigger cities) had been the one hit harder in the United States. They had themselves to blame if such a phenomenon exists, and it costed them the election.
Last but not least, I find your lamenting of Trump's plan to steal power irrelevant to our topic, but I think you guys should have been better prepared for some necessary violence to be applied on Trumpers, no matter how much you guys do not want it.