[QatzelOk]

Interestingly, the US is right below Cuba in that table (when sorting from highest to lower intentional homicide rate)...

Homocide isn't the ONLY indicator of lack of safety.

Robbery rates, violent crime rates, police shooting rates, imprisonment rates, vehicle death rates... all add up to a boring visit to virtually any American city or town.

One of my Canadian friends in Cuba tried biking across the USA a few years ago, and told me not to do it because his most dramatic memories of that trip were 1. Being cursed at by truck drivers 2. Being chased by "private property" dogs defending their right to police the road

If you remove the large urban areas from the equation America is as safe as any Western nation.

So if you visit the suburb of a town of 10,000 people, and you stay in the mall parking lot, you will be safe? You should work as a travel agent.

The US is a big country with something for everyone.

10,000 km of fastfood highways.

[Julian658]

Homocide isn't the ONLY indicator of lack of safety.

Robbery rates, violent crime rates, police shooting rates, imprisonment rates, vehicle death rates... all add up to a boring visit to virtually any American city or town.

One of my Canadian friends in Cuba tried biking across the USA a few years ago, and told me not to do it because his most dramatic memories of that trip were 1. Being cursed at by truck drivers 2. Being chased by "private property" dogs defending their right to police the road


So if you visit the suburb of a town of 10,000 people, and you stay in the mall parking lot, you will be safe? You should work as a travel agent.


10,000 km of fastfood highways.

Your anti-American bigotry is as bad as Godstuff.

[Julian658]

Same here. I grew up in a poor inner city neighborhood. All the Cubans there were equally poor and uneducated like the rest of us. They too hated Castro. Some of my Cuban friends were also Afro-Cubans.

My neighborhood was mostly Dominicans and Cubans. IN the mid to late 90s, more central Americans started to move in, so now you see more people from Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala.

I am older than you guys. My Cuban friends were the children of the first wave of refugees in the early 1960s. These kids were smart, dedicated to work hard, and with plenty of ambition to make it.

[Sivad]

One of my Canadian friends in Cuba tried biking across the USA a few years ago, and told me not to do it because his most dramatic memories of that trip were 1. Being cursed at by truck drivers 2. Being chased by "private property" dogs defending their right to police the road

It all comes down to bicycle lanes with this guy.

[Unthinking Majority]

America sucks because bicycles.

And I want to bike on other people's private property without getting yelled at.

[skinster]

Not even close. There's a sizeable minority living in fairly severe relative poverty and a small minority living in extreme poverty but most people here are living way better than most people have ever lived anywhere in the entire history of the world.

[Sivad]

Your anti-American bigotry is as bad as Godstuff.

Gobstuff is the potronic sayer of things.

[skinster]

[wat0n]

It doesn't. The US has a higher life expectancy than Cuba.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... expectancy

[Rancid]

95 pages in, what have we concluded on in this thread?

[Sivad]

95 pages in, what have we concluded on in this thread?

commie kidz are deluded idiots.

[skinster]

95 pages in, what have we concluded on in this thread?

1. That a handful of posters here who've visited Cuba or know someone who has, report positively of their experience.
2. Propaganda works since people who've never been there love to speak negatively about this tiny third world island that despite everything, excels in many ways.
3. Jealousy is a thing.

[Rancid]

Alright, good to hear.

I'll have a drink to these conclusions.

[Sivad]

and Castro abducted and raped thousands of women.

Fidel Castro, a known serial womanizer with dozens of illegitimate children, who gulaged millions of people and brutally repressed an entire society for decades, also abducted and raped some folks.

There are multiple sources accusing Castro of sending his personal guard out to comb the beaches of Cuba for young attractive women and procure them for el comandante. The earliest sources I can find are in the 1995 Castro biography written by the historian Robert E Quirk, he cites a number of news articles in the Mexican newspaper Excelsior which rely on former staff that worked for Castro. There's also the journalist Ian Halperin who told the New York Post that he had spoken with a former party official who estimated that up to 35,000 women had been victimized by Castro in this way.

There's also the Vanity Fair journalist, Bardach, who interviewed Castro for the magazine. She says she has firsthand knowledge of Castro taking advantage of a 15 year old girl. This isn't direct evidence of course but it does show what a depraved pedo Castro was and anyone that depraved with that much power would have undoubtedly assaulted more than one child.

[skinster]

Lol, now you're bringing that same lie up that you haven't been able to prove elsewhere in this thread. I don't see anything but your opinion posted above. Given you hate on Cuba as much as the U.S. State Dept does, why would anyone trust what you have to say? Prove it means sharing more than your opinion.

[wat0n]

1. That a handful of posters here who've visited Cuba or know someone who has, report positively of their experience.
2. Propaganda works since people who've never been there love to speak negatively about this tiny third world island that despite everything, excels in many ways.
3. Jealousy is a thing.

The funny thing is that we've even had an actual Cuban, who grew up in the island (@XogGyux) who tell the opposite story

[Sivad]

I don't see anything but your opinion posted above.

I did post my opinion. It's my opinion Fidel Castro did abduct and rape thousands of women. But most the post is me citing two journalists and a historian.

Fidel would go on to have affairs of his own. There was Natalia Reveulta, who corresponded with him in prison; there was Maria Laborde, an admirer from Camagüey who gave him a son; there was another admirer from Santa Clara, who gave him a daughter; there was Teresa Casuso, a 40-year-old scriptwriter in Mexico City; there was Carmen Castudio, Casuso’s 18-year-old houseguest and Castro’s fiancé for less than a month; there was “the Godmother,” madrina Celia Sánchez Manduly; there was the Venezuelan journalist, Isa Dobles; there was Gina Lollobrigida, the Italian actress; there was Graciela, a 16-year-old Tropicana dancer; there was Rosana Rodriguez, the wife of a communications chief; there were Pili, Gladys and Juanita Vera, his interpreters; there was Marita Lorenz, the assassin who couldn’t pull the trigger; and there was Dalia Soto del Valle, Castro’s companera for 5 decades and the mother of 5 of his sons.

But most of his women didn’t have names. Partners would be scouted and checked out by security guards, after which trysts would be set up. “Get her for tonight,” El Comandante would ask. The tradition was that Castro and his escorts would meet in a house at the heart of Unit 160—a walled, 5-acre tract in Havana where the Castro family stores were kept: guns (Kalashnikovs, Makarovs, Brownings), telecommunications, a garage (for his fleet of Mercedes), hens, geese, bulls and Holsteins, a private cinema, a museum and an ice cream factory. “Sex, to the adult Castro, meant a succession of one night stands with any women who might be available. A responsibility of his security guards when he was prime minister and later president of the country was to find him bed partners,” wrote his biographer, Robert Quirk. “The private life of the Comandante was the best kept secret in Cuba,” wrote a member of his bodyguard, Juan Reinaldo Sanchez.

Some estimates were enormous. When the documentary filmmaker and New York Times bestselling author, Ian Halperin, went to Cuba in 2008, he got in touch with a government official, "Ramon," who guessed that Castro had slept with 35,000 women. Every day, he took a woman at lunch, and another at supper, and occasionally another at breakfast, over his nearly half a century in power. Do the math, it adds up.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... 1612/fidel

[skinster]

@wat0n, I accept there are Cubans who dislike Cuba. Tons live in Miami. A lot who left the island did so because they were forced to share their wealth and obviously didn't like that.

But also, the opposite is true too. Although some of you guys struggle with that info for some reason.

That's why I recommend everyone visit. It'll a) help you discuss Cuba from a position of not-ignorance and b) because you'll come across people who are both positive and negative about Cuba. I already stated ITT when I went to Cuba, that I came across people who viewed Cuba negatively. For instance, the Cuban teacher who took me on a walking tour. He wasn't entirely positive about Cuba. He had taught in Europe and had to return to Cuba because he was a single child for elderly parents he had to look after. I spoke about his parent's health problems and how if they were living in the U.S., they'd likely be bankrupt for their treatment. He agreed. The grass can appear greener on the other side but overall, any state that feeds, houses, medically treats and teaches for free its people, is alright with me.

[skinster]

I did post my opinion. It's my opinion Fidel Castro did abduct and rape thousands of women. But most the post is me citing two journalists and a historian.

Thanks for admitting it's your opinion, but that's been clear since the first time you couldn't prove what you say. But now that you've spent 5 minutes on Google and found a Psychology Now blog to prove your opinion, thanks, but that article doesn't have anywhere in it the words 'abduction' or 'rape'.

Thanks for trying and failing again.

[Sivad]

any state that feeds, houses, medically treats and teaches for free its people, is alright with me.

Prisons offer all of that to inmates. So turning society into a giant prison(gulag) would be alright with skinster. That's why they're called gulagists I guess.