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#15123278
Turkish support for Azerbaijan has emboldened the latter to go to war with Armenia. Do the Turks want to finish the genocide of the Armenians they started over a century ago?

In addition to its military involvement in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Cyprus, Ankara is now starting another war. Turkish support for Azerbaijan is bound to make the Russians increase their support for Armenia. Having alienated Europe, US and almost every single country in the region, Ankara is now involved in three conflicts in which it confronts Russia.

Fighting broke out between Armenia and Azerbaijan in the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh on Sunday, causing casualties on both sides and prompting the Armenian government to declare martial law and mobilize its military.

The conflict is the latest eruption of violence in a decades-long dispute over the region, which lies within the borders of Azerbaijan but is controlled by ethnic Armenian forces. Both countries have reported military and civilian deaths as of Sunday afternoon.

Armenian officials said Azerbaijani forces launched a "missile and aerial attack" in the region on Sunday morning, targeting peaceful settlements and shelling civilian infrastructures, while Azerbaijan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said its armed forces were responding to Armenian shelling.

Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said in a tweet that the aggression seemed to be pre-planned, and "constitutes large-scale provocation against regional peace & security."

Azerbaijan's president, Ilham Aliyev, countered that "the first fire, including artillery fire, was opened by Armenia, and the first victims were Azerbaijani servicemen."

Officials in both Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh declared martial law and dispatched armed forces as tensions rose on Sunday morning.

The human rights ombudsman of Nagorno-Karabakh said that a woman and child were killed and two civilians were wounded in the Martuni region as a result of Azerbaijani shelling. The region's deputy defense minister later said that 16 Armenian forces were killed and more than 100 were wounded.

Aliyev, Azerbaijan's president, said enemy fire had killed and wounded both servicemen and civilians, and that "shedding of their blood will not go unpunished."

"Armenia is an occupying state, and an end to this occupation must and will be put," Aliyev added.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, whose nation shares a border with Armenia, reinforced his country's support for longtime ally Azerbaijan in a series of tweets, in which he called Armenia "the biggest threat to peace and tranquility in the region."

"The Turkish Nation stands by its Azerbaijani brothers with all its means, as always," he wrote.

In response, Armenian prime minister Pashinyan issued a statement calling on the international community to "use all of its influence to halt any possible interference by Turkey," which he said would have devastating consequences for the region.

The renewed conflict threatens the stability of the southern Caucasus, which is crisscrossed by numerous oil and gas pipelines.

Reactions from the international community poured in on Sunday, with foreign leaders calling on the long-time adversaries to de-escalate the conflict and restart dialogue.

The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe's Minsk Group, co-chaired by the United States, Russia and France, has been working to permanently settle the dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia since 1994. Its leaders issued a joint statement expressing concern about the reports of military actions and condemning the use of force and "senseless loss of life."

"The Co-Chairs call on the sides to take all necessary measures to stabilize the situation on the ground and reiterate that there is no alternative to a peaceful negotiated solution of the conflict," they added.

Separately, officials in Russia and France urged the countries to cease fire and begin negotiations immediately.

Charles Michel, president of the European Council, also called for a halt to military action and a return to negotiations "without preconditions."

Similar hopes were expressed at the Vatican, where Pope Francis urged leaders to find a solution "not through the use of force and arms, but through the means of dialogue and negotiation."

Azerbaijan and Armenia have clashed periodically in the wake of the 1994 ceasefire that left Nagorno-Karabakh in Armenian control. Notably, a wave of violence in 2016 killed at least 30 troops on both sides. And more recently, fighting along the border killed at least 16 people in July.
#15123506
Ankara has become the terrorist capital of the world. Turkey is now deploying its Islamist thugs to fight for Azerbaijan against Armenia after they fought for the Turks in Libya and Syria

Since Ankara is destabilizing the whole region with its terrorist proxy forces. It's just a matter of time before somebody will arm the Kurds to give Turkey a bit of its own medicine.

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Turkey is sending Syrian rebel fighters to support Azerbaijan in its escalating conflict with neighbouring Armenia, two Syrian rebels have said, as Ankara pledges to step up backing for its majority-Muslim ally.

The clashes over the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh are the heaviest since 2016, with reports of dozens of deaths and hundreds wounded.

Armenia’s ambassador to Moscow said on Monday that Turkey had sent around 4,000 fighters from northern Syria to Azerbaijan and that they were fighting there, an assertion denied by an aide to Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev.

Armenia also said Turkish military experts were fighting alongside Azerbaijan in Nagorno-Karabakh, a mountainous breakaway region of Azerbaijan run by ethnic Armenians, and that Turkey had provided drones and warplanes.

Azerbaijan denied the reports. Turkey did not immediately comment, although senior officials including President Tayyip Erdogan, who has increasingly been flexing Turkey’s military muscle abroad, have promised support for Baku.

The two fighters, from Turkish-backed rebel groups in areas of northern Syria under Turkish control, said they were deploying to Azerbaijan in coordination with Ankara.

They declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue. Reuters could not independently verify their accounts.

I didn’t want to go, but I don’t have any money. Life is very hard and poor,” said a fighter who had fought in Syria for Ahrar al-Sham, a group that Turkey has supported.

Reuters
#15123522
This is not a spontaneous outbreak of hostilities. Turkey has deliberately prepared Azerbaijan for the attack. Military equipment, terrorist proxy forces and media were dispatched by Turkey to Azerbaijan before the attack.

The Turkish air force was supplying military equipment to Azerbaijan
Turkey's "support" in preparing for the war was significant. The "fact-finding platform" has noticed an unusual activation of flights between Israel and Turkey, Azerbaijan, the main supplier of military equipment to these countries, in the last few days. These movements of the Air Force, most probably, had one main goal - to supply military equipment to Azerbaijan. There were rumors circulating on the Internet that Syrian mercenaries were being transferred to Azerbaijan.

Turkish journalists on the front line
Shortly after the fighting that started this morning, some of the Turkish media outlets, such as the Turkish state television channel TRT and Anadolu, were surprisingly already on the front lines, broadcasting live.

In conclusion, we can state that the Azerbaijani authorities, before launching the attack, were actively and openly preparing for the start of hostilities. Moreover, it was done with the support of Turkey.

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#15123670
Turkey has now entered the war by shooting down an Armenian aircraft. Appeasement won't work in the case of Erdogan. The international community needs to punish Turkey with hard sanctions.

URGENT: Turkish F-16 shoots down Armenia jet in Armenian airspace

YEREVAN, SEPTEMBER 29, ARMENPRESS. Turkish air force F-16s have been deployed against Armenia and shot down an Armenian military aircraft amid the Azeri attack on Artsakh, the Armenian military said.

“Today, starting from 10:30, Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter jets took off from the Gyanja airport in Azerbaijan and were ensuring the Azerbaijani SU-25 and Turkish-made Bayraktar UAV bombings from the Azerbaijani Dalyar airport at the Armenian settlements and Armed Forces land divisions positioned in the Vardenis, Mets Masrik and Sotk regions of the Vardenis region in Armenia.

In the abovementioned period our air force was providing air support to the Armenian Armed Forces Air Defense units. During their mission and aerial battles, a Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter jet shot down an on-duty SU-25 jet of the Armenian Air Force in Armenian airspace,” Shushan Stepanyan said. She said the pilot of the SU-25 died.

The F-16 was at 60km depth and 8200 altitude, she said.


Whenever fighting has erupted between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed territories claimed by both neighbours, demands from Moscow have ultimately forced the two post-Soviet states to the negotiating table.

This time, however, Russia’s calls to stop the escalating violence in Nagorno-Karabakh that began on Sunday have so far fallen on deaf ears, thanks in part to the rise of Turkey as a regional power that has altered the delicate balance in the sensitive Caucasus Mountains region.

Ankara’s support for its neighbour Azerbaijan and sabre-rattling rhetoric has fanned the most violent flare-up for several years in a decades-long conflict, and created a significant headache for Russian president Vladimir Putin by challenging Moscow’s regional hegemony.


While Russia has traditionally sought to remain neutral in the territorial dispute — Moscow considers both former Soviet states as allies — it has a military base in Armenia and a defence pact with the country that contains a mutual assistance clause in case of attack from external countries. 

At the same time, Turkey’s full-blooded support for Azerbaijan in the conflict has emboldened Baku, analysts say, and chipped away at Moscow’s influence over the Azeri leadership.

That has added another flashpoint to Moscow and Ankara’s list of conflicts where the two regional powers and their strongman leaders — who have sought to strike an uneasy alliance over trade, energy and mutual distrust of the west — find themselves at odds, alongside Syria and Libya.

“Turkey’s growing involvement in the South Caucasus through Azerbaijan is a fact which Russia does not relish. Russian and Turkish interests clash here more than anywhere,” said Dmitri Trenin, head of the Carnegie Moscow Center think-tank, adding: “Putin and Erdogan have never been true allies, and never will.”

He added: “What they manage to do instead is to capitalise on their parallel interests and to play down differences and divisions, so that these do not lead to direct conflict between Russia and Turkey.”

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s president, has adopted an increasingly assertive foreign policy in recent years, using overseas military deployments and bombastic rhetoric to stoke nationalist sentiment at home. 

Mr Erdogan’s combative response to the clashes, which saw him attack the Armenian leadership and offer full support to Azerbaijan, marks a break with previous rounds of fighting in the region.

“This signals quite a big shift in Turkish policy,” said Thomas de Waal, an expert on the region and author of Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan Through Peace and War. “Turkey has always offered political support to Azerbaijan but has also said the conflict must be resolved peacefully . . . There’s been a geopolitical equilibrium where no side has really backed one side over the other . . . Now suddenly one of the major regional actors is backing Azerbaijan.”

Turkey views Azerbaijan as a “brother country” with shared cultural, linguistic and ethnic roots. The two have close trade ties, especially in the field of energy.

Armenia’s foreign ministry on Monday accused Turkey of a “direct presence on the ground” in the conflict, including weapons and fighter planes. Turkish media had trumpeted the use of what they said were drones made by a defence company run by one of Mr Erdogan’s sons-in-law and his family.

But a Turkish official dismissed Armenian claims that Turkish military experts and Turkish-backed Syrian mercenaries were taking part in the conflict as “baseless accusations”.

As the fighting escalated on Monday, Azerbaijan’s defence ministry released a video it said depicted missile attacks on two Armenian tanks. It claimed its armed forces had destroyed 26 Armenian tanks since the hostilities began on Sunday. Six Azeri citizens had been killed by Armenian artillery, Baku said.

Nato and the EU have called on the warring sides to reach a ceasefire. Azerbaijan hosts a gas pipeline that carries gas to Turkey and onwards to Europe, a route viewed by Brussels as a critical alternative to gas supplies from Russia.

Russia’s desire to please both sides and Turkey’s position in the conflict means Moscow will probably rely on diplomacy rather than an aggressive military response, in contrast to its response to other territorial conflicts in the post-Soviet region, such as in Ukraine and Georgia.

The Kremlin has sought to play down any suggestions it could join the fighting. Russia’s defence pact with Armenia does not cover Nagorno-Karabakh, meaning Yerevan could only request Moscow to deploy troops if there was an attack on undisputed Armenian territory.

“There’s little expectation of the reliance or durability of the so-called security pact with Russia,” said Richard Giragosian, director of the Yerevan-based Regional Studies Center think-tank. “We will probably see an uncharacteristically delicate foreign policy response from Moscow,” he added.

Speaking on Monday, Kremlin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said it was “important now to stop the fighting rather than try to find out who is right and who is wrong”.

“Russia has always assumed a balanced position . . . and has good relations with both Armenia and Azerbaijan,” Mr Peskov said, adding Moscow was also in “full contact” with Ankara over the dispute.

Sinan Ulgen, a former Turkish diplomat who now chairs the Istanbul-based think-tank Edam, said Turkey and Russia would strive to find a way through the conflict without harming their bilateral relationship. 

But he also warned of the risks if the fighting spread into places such as the autonomous exclave of Nakhchivan, which borders Armenia and which Ankara has a 1921 treaty obligation to defend. 

“If we see this conflict spill over into other parts of the geography, in particular Nakhchivan, that will trigger a much more difficult episode between Turkey and Russia which will come on top of the existing theatres of conflict in Syria and Libya.”

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#15123884
Nagorno-Karabakh is an Azerbaijani territory which was invaded by Armenia. It is Azerbaijan's right to try to get back their stolen land. Nagorno-Karabakh is recognized as Azerbaijani territory by the entire international community. Armenians should leave the region. If they refuse to do so, Azerbaijan should use force.
#15123938
Rancid wrote:Can anyone give a run down on which counties are using each of these a proxies?


Turkey is backing Azerbaijan, which, last I checked, was like 96% Shia Muslim, and Russia is a close military ally of Armenia, which is mostly Orthodox Christian. It's basically a proxy conflict between them, as far as I can work out, but that's all I know.
#15124114
According to BBC research

Abdullah is one of hundreds of untrained Syrian civilians, whose ages range from 17 to 30, who have been sent since last Wednesday, with the knowledge of the Turkish army and its ally in the north of the Syrian opposition National Army, to fight alongside the Azeri forces.

The Armenian government has accused Turkey of deploying four thousand Syrian fighters in Azerbaijan, but the Azerbaijani authorities deny these allegations.

The Turkish News Agency (Anatolia) also published a report denying the news of the same matter.

While the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights confirms, according to its director Rami Abdul Rahman, that factions in the opposition Syrian National Army such as Sultan Murad and Suleiman Shah with Turkmen roots have sent fighters to Azerbaijan at the behest of Ankara, while other fighters from the cities of Homs and Ghouta refused to go Under the pretext that the conflict is between the Azeri Shiites and the Armenian Christians.

The road to Azerbaijan
Abdullah is like most residents of northern Syria who suffer from difficult economic and living conditions, as a local survey conducted by the "Response Coordinators" team revealed that more than 90% of people there cannot cover basic life expenses, while 81% of them receive a lower monthly salary. From $ 50, 78% don't have the ability to buy what they need or want.

Therefore, Abdullah accepted a job in Azerbaijan for $ 2,000 a month to improve his and his family's living conditions, but he did not know what was waiting for him there.

Abdullah explains his journey to me and says: “Last week, Saif Abu Bakr, the commander of the Hamza Division of the opposition Syrian National Army, suggested that we go to Azerbaijan to guard military points on the border for a monthly fee of up to $ 2,000. There was no war at the time, and we were transferred from Northern Syria to the village of Hor Kilis, and there we have stripped us from the opposition Syrian National Army of all our money, phones and clothes, so that our identity is not recognized.

Abdullah managed to get his phone back in order to communicate with his young family, but he does not know now if he will ever see them again.

Abdullah adds: “Then we were transferred to the airport in Antep in southern Turkey, where we took a flight of one hour and forty minutes to Istanbul airport, and then we were transferred via Azeri Airlines to Azerbaijan, and we found ourselves in a military post on the border, and there was no war at the time, and we did not receive training on Fighting up. "

This is not the first time that Syrians have been sent to fight outside their homeland through Turkey, as a report prepared by the United Nations last May revealed that Syrians traveled from the north of the country via Turkey to western Libya to fight in the ranks of the Al-Wefaq government forces against the forces of retired General Khalifa Haftar.

Sudden fight
When it came Sunday 27th September, Abdullah's dreams of earning money and improving livelihoods were dashed when news of the outbreak of war between the Azeris and Armenians arrived.

He told me, "They loaded us into troop carriers, we were wearing Azeri uniform, and each of us was armed with a single weapon (Kalashnikov) ... Most of the people here are poor civilians who wanted money and were not soldiers.

The car stopped and we were surprised that we were in the line of fire, we did not even know where the enemy was. When they started bombing us, the young men started crying in fear and wanted to return to their residence, and then a shell fell next to us, killing four Syrians and wounding three others. "

The President of Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev, has said that Turkey is not a party to its conflict with Armenia, but rather provides it with moral support.

Abdullah added that in the military gathering in which he resides, he saw the bodies of ten Syrians, while seventy others were injured, without access to the necessary health care.

Local sources in northern Syria told BBC Arabic that a number of families began receiving news of the death of their relatives there.

Either fight or prison
The bright future in the eyes of these Syrians, after receiving two thousand dollars a month, has turned into sudden darkness, as they now face death every moment, so they are now demanding to return to their country.

Abdullah stopped writing for a while and no longer answered my questions. I thought his matter had been revealed, but then it became clear that the weakness of the Internet in this war zone makes communication difficult, and he adds: “After the start of the war, we tried to inform the leaders here that we want to return to Syria, but they prevented us. We were threatened with long prison terms if we did not go to fight on the fronts, we are almost exiled. "


It is clear that Turkey has planned this war for months by providing military hardware and training to Azerbaijan, by sending Syrian proxy forces and by publicly encouraging Azerbaijan to take Nagorno Karabakh by force.

@Rancid, @Local Localist, Armenians have populated this region for over a thousand years. It is one of the last remaining Christian enclaves in the region. Armenia's king, Trdat III adopted Christianity as the state religion in 301 AD, making Armenia the first Christian nation in the world.

Armenians have been the majority population for centuries and during the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union by an administrative accident treated this region as part as the oblast of Azerbaijan. Immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Armenians of the region started to fight for independence. Short of a 2nd genocide and/or ethnic cleansing of the region, there is no way this can be Azerbaijani territory. The Armenians don't want to be ruled by a dictator in Baku just like the Croats and Slovaks didn't want to be ruled by Serbia.

Russia is officially neutral and supplies both sides with weapons. It sees these former Soviet republics as part of its sphere of influence. Thus, Putin will try to stay neutral as long as possible not to compromise his relations with Baku. If Armenia proper were to come under attack, Russia would be obliged to help Armenia because of a security treaty. The Russians also have a military base in Armenia. Also, Putin isn't going to take kindly to Erdogan seeding war in what the Russians consider as their backyard.

During Soviet rule, Nagorno Karabakh was inhabited by citizens of Armenian origins, as an autonomous region inside Azerbaijan, but with the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, the inhabitants of this region sought to unite with Armenia, which led to the outbreak of conflict in the 1990s that led This resulted in the killing of 30,000 people, and ended with the signing of a ceasefire agreement, making the region a focal point of conflict between the two sides that renewed from time to time and left dead and wounded between the two parties, especially in 2016 when some clashes resulted in the deaths of more than 100 people
#15124115
So, it's not ethnic cleansing, it's the 2nd genocide of the Armenians they want:

The Mayor of Baku, Hajibala Abutalybov, said to a German delegation:

"Our goal is the complete elimination of Armenians. You, Nazis, already eliminated the Jews in the 1930s and 40s, right? You should be able to understand us."


US Committee on Foreign Affairs Hearing on the Caucasus
#15124118
Ridiculous claims. Turkey does not even involve in this conflict. Azerbaijan doesn't even buy arms from Turkey. Being accused for something which we don't do is not nice. Turkey supports Azerbaijan politically but we prefer to stay neutral militarily.

Azerbaijan's main supplier is Israel. UAVs are from Israel.
#15124203
@Istanbuller, there is no more press freedom in Turkey. You know that, I know that, everybody knows that. All you do is spread AKP propaganda.

The fact that Turkey started recruiting Syrian mercenaries for fighting against Armenia a month ago clearly shows that Ankara planned this attack a long time ago. After killing more than a million Armenians in the genocide a century ago, Turkey is now trying to finish the job.

Several men in Syria’s last opposition stronghold of Idlib province told the Guardian this week that military commanders and brokers had offered them work guarding observation posts and oil and gas facilities in Azerbaijan on three or six month contracts at 7,000-10,000 Turkish lira (£700-£1,000) a month – relatively large sums of money which could help them escape Syria’s grinding poverty.

Omar Abdo, the cousin of killed fighter Muhammed Shaalan, from the town of al Atarib, said that men in Shaalan’s unit in the al Hamza division had contacted the family on Tuesday to inform them of Shaalan’s death.

He told us he was leaving for Azerbaijan on 20 September. We don’t know the circumstances of his death and we were told it’s hard to bring his corpse at the moment, but they will try,” he said.

The families of Hussein Talha, from Ain Jara village, and Sadam Aziz Azkor of al Kareem, also said unit commanders had called them on Tuesday to say that their relatives had been killed. Local media has reported another three dead.

While observers have questioned why Baku’s highly-trained and well-armed military forces would be in need of assistance from Syrian mercenaries, the quick mobilisation of Syrians to the front lines, as well as the fact that Syrian volunteers said the recruitment drive began a month ago, suggested Azerbaijan had been planning its military campaign for some time.

(...)
With the deployment of Syrians, Turkey may be seeking to repeat a strategy that worked well in Libya earlier this year. Ankara has facilitated the arrival of at least 10,000 Syrians to the north African state’s battlefields, helping turn the tide of the war in favour of the UN-backed government fighting renegade General Khalifa Haftar.


Nagorno-Karabakh: at least three Syrian fighters killed

In Europe, Macron has given his support to Armenia. France together with Syria was also among the countries which gave refuge to Armenians so as to save them from the genocide committed by Turkey a century ago.

France’s president on Wednesday voiced solidarity with Armenia amid its conflict with Azerbaijan over Armenian-occupied Upper Karabakh.

Claiming that it was Azerbaijan last weekend that started the conflict, Emmanuel Macron called on Azerbaijan and Armenia to end the conflict unconditionally, adding that he had discussed this issue with Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev.

“I wanted these attacks to end. I explicitly condemned these disproportionate attacks,” he said in a news conference during a visit to Latvia.

It was determined that the attacks on Sunday came from Azerbaijan,” claimed Macron, adding: “Both sides must comply with the cease-fire.”
(...)

“I have noticed the political statements made by Turkey [in favor of Azerbaijan], which I find to be inconsiderate and risky,” said Macron, a frequent critic of Turkey.

France is concerned by the warlike messages from Turkey which is in favor of Azerbaijan’s reconquering Nagorno-Karabakh. And that we won’t accept it,”


France sides with Armenia in conflict with Azerbaijan
#15124206
Azerbaijan is in what is historically Armenian territory, lets start with that.
Hopefully they and turkey are liberated and given back to the Greeks :D :D


In all seriousness, I support Armenia, and hopefully they and Russia clown these Ottomans.
#15124214
Oxymoron wrote:Azerbaijan is in what is historically Armenian territory, lets start with that.
Hopefully they and turkey are liberated and given back to the Greeks :D :D


In all seriousness, I support Armenia, and hopefully they and Russia clown these Ottomans.


Justice for 1915. And Russia has always beaten the Turks, liberating many of the countries that are vassals of NATO/EU now...
#15124230
Rancid wrote:Can anyone give a run down on which counties are using each of these a proxies?


Azerbaijan with heavy Turkish support launched an invasion of the Nagorno-Karobach territories. Turkey openly supports Azerbaijan with both people, personal and even direct involvement as it seems.

The territory of Nagorno-Karobach is Azerbaijans territory technically but it splintered from Azerbaijan because the genocided Armenians run there when Azerbaijan was up to no good in the 90s. So basically Azerbaijan wants to finish the genocide which they couldn't do last time by the looks of it.

Russia is an ally of both Azerbaijan and Armenia. At best, it can only supply weapons to Armenia but can't provide any open support. Basically, as much as Russia sees it, there is no point in intervening since there is nothing to gain. If Russia supports one side then the other side will just cut off Russia. So Russia will just by silent as if nothing is really happening.

Macron has been acting too presidential lately for some reason. So he just had to put his two cents everywhere and basically Europe supports Armenia.
#15124238
JohnRawls wrote:Russia is an ally of both Azerbaijan and Armenia. At best, it can only supply weapons to Armenia but can't provide any open support. Basically, as much as Russia sees it, there is no point in intervening since there is nothing to gain. If Russia supports one side then the other side will just cut off Russia. So Russia will just by silent as if nothing is really happening.

Your assessment seems wrong to me. Azerbaijan is not even a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization while there's a military union and cooperation between Russia and Armenia, which actually suggests the Russians are obliged to help out Armenia in a military conflict. A problem could be, though, that Russia and Armenia are geographically separated, or rather that Armenia is geographically separated from the rest of CSTO.

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#15124260
Beren wrote:Your assessment seems wrong to me. Azerbaijan is not even a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization while there's a military union and cooperation between Russia and Armenia, which actually suggests the Russians are obliged to help out Armenia in a military conflict. A problem could be, though, that Russia and Armenia are geographically separated, or rather that Armenia is geographically separated from the rest of CSTO.

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My understanding is the security pact between Russia and Armenia doesn't apply to Nagorno-Karobach, which is considered Armenian-occupied Azeri land.

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