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Elon Musk should be burned at a stake.

‘We will coup whoever we want’: Elon Musk and the overthrow of democracy in Bolivia
On July 24, 2020, Tesla’s Elon Musk wrote on Twitter that a second U.S. “government stimulus package is not in the best interests of the people.” Someone responded to Musk soon after, “You know what wasn’t in the best interest of people? The U.S. government organizing a coup against Evo Morales in Bolivia so you could obtain the lithium there.” Musk then wrote:

We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it.

Musk refers here to the coup against President Evo Morales Ayma, who was removed illegally from his office in November 2019. Morales had just won an election for a term that was to have begun in January 2020. Even if there was a challenge against that election, Morales’ term should rightfully have continued through November and December of 2019. Instead, the Bolivian military, at the behest of Bolivia’s far right and the United States government, threatened Morales; Morales went into exile in Mexico and is now in Argentina.

At that time, the “evidence” of fraud was offered by the far right and by a “preliminary report” by the Organization of American States; only after Morales was removed from office was there grudging acknowledgment by the liberal media that there was in fact no evidence of fraud. It was too late for Bolivia, which has been condemned to a dangerous government that has suspended democracy in the country.

Lithium Coup
Over his 14 years in office, Morales fought to use the wealth of Bolivia for the Bolivian people, who saw—after centuries of oppression—remarkable advances in their basic needs. Literacy rates rose and hunger rates dropped. The use of Bolivia’s wealth to advance the interests of the people rather than North American multinational corporations was an abomination to the U.S. embassy in La Paz, which had egged on the worst elements of the military and the far right to overthrow the government. This is just what happened in November 2019.

Musk’s admission, however intemperate, is at least honest. His company Tesla has long wanted access at a low price to the large lithium deposits in Bolivia; lithium is a key ingredient for batteries. Earlier this year, Musk and his company revealed that they wanted to build a Tesla factory in Brazil, which would be supplied by lithium from Bolivia; when we wrote about that we called our report “Elon Musk Is Acting Like a Neo-Conquistador for South America’s Lithium.” Everything we wrote there is condensed in his new tweet: the arrogance toward the political life of other countries, and the greed toward resources that people like Musk think are their entitlement.

Musk went on to delete his tweet. He then said, “we get our lithium from Australia”; this will not settle the issue, since eyebrows are being raised in Australia regarding the environmental damage from lithium mining.

Suspension of Democracy
After Morales was removed, an insignificant far-right politician named Jeanine Áñez set aside the constitutional process and seized power. She showed the character of her politics when she signed a presidential decree on November 15, 2019, that gave the military the right to do whatever it wanted; even her allies found this to be too far and repealed it on November 28.

Arrests and intimidation of activists from the Movement for Socialism (MAS)—the party of Morales—began in November 2019 and still continue. On July 7, 2020, seven U.S. senators published a statement that said, “We are increasingly concerned by the growing number of human rights violations and curtailments of civil liberties by the interim government of Bolivia.” “Without a change in course by the interim government,” the senators wrote,

we fear that basic civil rights in Bolivia will be further eroded and the legitimacy of the crucial upcoming elections will be put at risk.

There’s no need to worry about that, since the government of Áñez seems unwilling to hold an election. By all polls, Áñez looks likely to be defeated in the general elections. A recent poll by El Centro Estratégico Latinoamericano de Geopolítica (CELAG) says that Áñez will get a mere 13.3 percent, far behind the Movement for Socialism’s Luis Arce (41.9 percent) and the center right’s Carlos Mesa (26.8 percent). The election was supposed to have taken place in May, but it was rescheduled for September 6; it has now been postponed once more, this time to October 18. Bolivia would not have had an elected government for an entire year.

Luis Arce of MAS recently told Oliver Vargas, “We face persecution, we face surveillance… we are facing a very difficult campaign.” But, he said, “we are sure that we will win these elections.” If elections are permitted.

The CELAG study shows that 9 out of 10 Bolivians have seen their incomes decline due to the coronavirus recession. Because of this—and of the attack by this government on the MAS—65.2 percent of Bolivians have a negative appraisal of Áñez. It is important to note that due to the positive policies of Morales’ MAS, there is widespread support for a socialist orientation; 64.1 percent of Bolivians support taxes against the rich, and Bolivians in general support the resource socialism of the MAS and Morales.

CoronaShock and Bolivia
The government of Áñez has been utterly incompetent regarding the coronavirus. The number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 in this country of 11 million people is 66,456; since testing is low, the number is likely much higher.

Musk returns to our story. Earlier this year, on March 31, Bolivia’s Foreign Minister Karen Longaric wrote an obsequious letter to Musk asking him about the “offer of cooperation posted by you regarding ventilators ready to be dispatched to countries where they are needed the most.” Longaric said, “If it is not possible to send it to Bolivia, we can arrange its receipt in Miami, FL. and transport them from there as quickly as possible.” No such ventilators came.

Instead, the government bought ventilators from a Spanish supplier for $27,000 for each of the 170 devices; Bolivian producers had said they could supply ventilators for $1,000 per unit. The health minister in the Áñez government—Marcelo Navajas—was arrested for this scandal.

Morales
Evo Morales read Musk’s tweet about the coup in Bolivia and responded:

Elon Musk, the owner of the largest electric car company, says about the coup in Bolivia: ‘We will coup whoever we want.’ Another proof that the coup was about Bolivian lithium; at the cost of two massacres. We will always defend our resources!

The reference to the massacres is important. In November, from Mexico City, Morales watched as the government of Áñez let loose the dogs of war against the people of Bolivia from Cochabamba to El Alto. “They are killing my brothers and sisters,” Morales said at a press conference. “This is the kind of thing the old military dictatorships used to do.” It is the toxic character of the government of Áñez, backed fully by the U.S. government and Elon Musk.
https://mronline.org/2020/07/28/we-will ... n-bolivia/
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skinster wrote:Elon Musk should be burned at a stake.

He's the billionaire CEO of a product that is based on denial of reality.

"Electric cars will save us!" is something that sounds good after five beers when you know nothing about the environment or the materials that go into vehicle production and the damage caused by our asphalt landscapes. It's not a solution, it's a drunken idea for stupid people.

But that the specific needs of this vehicle would lead to the destruction of the only First Nations president in the Americas... means that Musk ought to be dealt with by Bolivians themselves (if his company or its connections had anything to do with the coup).
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Bolivia Court denies Evo Morales candidacy for October 18 elections
Former Bolivian president Evo Morales was disqualified on Monday from running as a candidate to the Senate after a constitutional court in the capital La Paz rejected his participation in the October 19 elections.

Last February, Bolivia’s Supreme Electoral Court ruled against Morales candidacy on the basis that it did not comply with the requirement of residence in the country. Following the November 10 coup, Evo Morales had traveled to Mexico and then to Argentina as the de facto government through the Prosecutor’s Office, issued several arrest warrants against Morales.

When the first ruling came out, Morales lawyers said they would appeal because the former president has maintained his polling place and has his legal address in a town in Cochabamba, so the residence argument does not apply.

However, the Movement for Socialism (MAS) party explained that the authorities had stripped him from his constitutional guarantees, which is why he has not returned thus far. Instead, he remains as a refugee in Argentina working for his party.

The MAS was nominating Morales as a candidate to the first senator for the Cochabamba department. After another constitutional court rejected a protection appeal filed by the defense, on September 1, 2020, the Second Constitutional Chamber of La Paz could not rule on the disqualification due to a tie between the judges.


As a result, the session was interrupted until today, when Judge Alfredo Jaimes was summoned as “deciding member.” The court ruled two votes in favor and one against as reported to the media by lawyer Jorge Tamayo.

Although the defense has said they will continue to appeal to the Plurinational Constitutional Court, the legal procedures will likely surpass the October 19 election date when Morales was supposed to participate.

“In a way, it remains on hold. The review in Sucre could observe the merits of that resolution issued by Jaimes and Pomier, who gave the corresponding denial. But with this rejection of the protection, the disqualification resolution issued by the TSE continues to exist. Therefore, it remains disabled,” lawyer Fabián Espinoza explained.

This is the first time in 23 years that Evo Morales is disqualified from an electoral campaign ever since he first entered the Legislature in 1997. Nevertheless, polls show that the MAS party remains the largest political force in Bolivia, and candidate to presidency Luis Arce is set to win most of the departments.
https://mronline.org/2020/09/09/bolivia ... elections/
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skinster posted an article that wrote:Last February, Bolivia’s Supreme Electoral Court ruled against Morales candidacy on the basis that it did not comply with the requirement of residence in the country. Following the November 10 coup, Evo Morales had traveled to Mexico and then to Argentina as the de facto government through the Prosecutor’s Office, issued several arrest warrants against Morales.

So, if you stay in the country, we'll kill you - but if you leave, you can't run in elections."

Witch-burning logic in the USA's backyard, courtesy of Uncle Pilgrim and his secret terror organizations.
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QatzelOk wrote:So, if you stay in the country, we'll kill you - but if you leave, you can't run in elections."


That's almost the same direction Israeli authorities give to Palestinians, except instead of your ending of "you can't run in elections", it's "you can't come back to your home/land".
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skinster wrote:That's almost the same direction Israeli authorities give to Palestinians, except instead of your ending of "you can't run in elections", it's "you can't come back to your home/land".

In both cases, it's basically "a deal you can't refuse."

This is why I say that mafia controls the world, and not competent popular governance of any kind.

Instead of good results from our political actions, we get good PR.
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Actually, reviving this topic is not a bad idea. But it seems the election are still on plan without Morales and seem to be proceeding in a proper democratic fasion. They are schedueled for the 18th of October. The opposition is being salty and trying to unite against Moraleses party. Overall, Moraleses party should win, just without Morales and with perhaps slightly renewed membership like it should have been in the 2019. Liberal democracy prevails once again :) :)
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QatzelOk wrote:He's the billionaire CEO of a product that is based on denial of reality.


Hey, you're into reality denial, you and Elon and skinster should all team up and deny like rocks or hair or something. That would be awesome.
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These right-wing groups that use violence to protect their privileges against the majority... remind me of the NIMBY movement.

Here is an article that describes a group of "boaters rights" members who want to stop the city of Montreal from converting a heavily-subsidized marina into a public beach and wetlands park.

You don't have to read the article. The point I'm making is that they are trying to maintain a privilege (their own) in the face of obvious evidence that this will cause harm to the majority.

In the case of the marina, the city would need to put in about $35,000 per boat (!) of repairs this year, in order to maintain a parking lot for power boats next to an historic canal and old waterfront town. Half of the boaters don't live in or pay taxes to the city. And the new beachfront-wetland park would serve thousands and thousands of users of all ages.

You can only understand these movements based on the idea that a person can't learn something that will cost them one of their privileges.

This is why spoiled-rotten interested parties like this must be managed, not obeyed.
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skinster wrote:Today is the election in Bolivia. MaS have been leading in the polls on days leading up to this, as expected.
























So uh, care to apologise to me? Somewhere in the beginning I said that this is going to happen and you said that "coup" heads are gonna stay in power forever like dictators? So apparently everything proceeded as I wrote on around page 1-2-3 or something. Morales is gone, new election is held and MaS will probably win. Like it should have been in 2019 if Morales didn't actually fucking abuse the constitution and power. :roll:
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JohnRawls wrote:So uh, care to apologise to me? Somewhere in the beginning I said that this is going to happen and you said that "coup" heads are gonna stay in power forever like dictators? So apparently everything proceeded as I wrote on around page 1-2-3 or something. Morales is gone, new election is held and MaS will probably win. Like it should have been in 2019 if Morales didn't actually fucking abuse the constitution and power. :roll:


Apology? Piss off, warmonger. :lol:

And nope, as usual you were wrong, since you defend imperialism and fascism.

The fash you're defending still hold power. Whether they give it up based on MaS's win is to be seen.

Also, since you're dumb and still don't know how to quote properly to this day :lol: , maybe don't quote me.
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Potemkin wrote:The current regime in Bolivia will not hold free and fair elections any time soon, if ever. They would have to be crazy to do that. What if Morales wins a thumping majority in those elections (as he well might)? What do you think he would do next? He would round the fuckers up and arrest them all, before they stage another coup against him again, as they surely would. They can't even take the risk. They're not that crazy. No, the coup leaders have no choice but to govern Bolivia as a dictatorship. What else can they do?


No hard feelings Pot, but I really remembered this post and it kinda shows the mind of people like you and @skinster. You blame the right for being warmongers or anti-democratic but here we are, right wing government doing fair elections, conceding power and protecting the constitution. Oh how wrong the both of you were.

Also @Tainari88, although you do not strictly support skinsters and pots ideology, you also have a view that right wing forces in Latin America are no good and anti-people or anti-democratic. What is your opinion on the right wing actually conceding power while this doesn't happen in other places in Latin America like Venezuela for example.

To All:
So what is next then? Will you cheer for making Morales president again? Do you believe that to be the "correct" way?
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