- 19 Oct 2020 15:18
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Now what about the War on Drugs -- can we *abolish* the police on that one?
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ckaihatsu wrote:Now what about the War on Drugs -- can we *abolish* the police on that one?
Godstud wrote:@Random American As long as we understand that the vast amjority of people don't consider it abolition, then we are probably in agreement.
Police have a role. We just need to limit that role, greatly, and make sure they are trained for it.
Random American wrote:
Sure, but that's not really police abolition either.
I agree with what you're saying. We do rely on them too much and the true abolitionists are just a crazy minority.
Godstud wrote:"Abolition" seems to be synonymous with deconstructing the police departments, and reconstructing them into something modern, and better. They don't expect to dissolve them completely and not replace them.
Random American wrote:Increasing the size of government isn't really a bad thing, though I'm not in favor of defunding law enforcement. I'm for decreasing their role in plenty of non-criminal matters, but that's not the same thing. I'm also not a Democrat,
but I don't think things would be better if Republicans were put in charge of these areas.
Godstud wrote:
"Abolition" seems to be synonymous with deconstructing the police departments, and reconstructing them into something modern, and better. They don't expect to dissolve them completely and not replace them.
Julian658 wrote:
The cities where blacks live in despair and high crime have been under Democratic control for over five decades. They have black Dem majors, city councilmen, school board, and chief of police. They have done an awful job for over 50 years. And now they want to blame this on the Republicans and the police.
Julian658 wrote:
And the solution is less cops and more social workers. We all know this will not work. And when it fails they will blame the Republicans again even though there are no elected Republicans in these cities.
WHAT A SCAM to inflate the government and to promote more corruption!
Julian658 wrote:
The problem with crime is culture and the government in charge in these cities. Imagine if you were told you are a victim 24/7 and that you have no hope of making it because of racism. You would grow up with depression, anger, lack of hope, and nihilism. The system the Democrats run is basically built on condescending racism of low expectations. They infantilize the black people and make them believe they need an adult white neoliberal to hold their hands. They assume black Americans is the weakest group in the planet while ignoring that black immigrants form Africa and the West Indies have no problems.
The cure does not depend on a Democrat or a Republican. The cure has to come from within.
ckaihatsu wrote:Anti-austerity / pro-social-services measures would be *appropriate* at this point because there's been so much *anti-social* legislation over the past several decades.
People, especially people of color, have been *disadvantaged*, and the government is the most appropriate institution to make up for the failings of the private sector / markets, as Trump recently demonstrated by putting forth *trillions* in public funds -- it's just that too little of the bailouts were *demand*-sided, and too much was *supply*-sided.
This is simply blaming-the-victim, though, because the *supply* of things that people need and want, for modern life and living, comes from *without*, and it's *not* a matter of 'culture'.
Society could *start* by making sure that economics / materials aren't *lacking*, for any given person's life, and then, after *that*, we could possibly look at culture once we know that it's not *material conditions* causing the disparity in 'success', by racial demographic, or *any* demographic.
Julian658 wrote:
A great deal of poor people live in cities that are nearly 100% run by black Democrats. The run the schools, the police and the city. They have failed to serve the poor. All they do is line the pockets of the elite. There are no conservatives in charge in most of these cities.
Julian658 wrote:
The solution has to come from within. The ideal that an entire group of people place their hopes and dreams on another group to move up socioeconomically is madness.
Julian658 wrote:
This has never worked or been done in world history. This idea infantilizes poor black Americans and treats them as the weakest group that ever lived on the planet. This condescending racism of low expectations is awful.
Julian658 wrote:
It is culture! We know it is culture because immigrant people of color with a different cultural background do quite well in America.
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