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Local Localist wrote:I think I'll just put in one final word about this before the election. America might get out of significant unrest this time. I think the election will be very close, because, like in 2016, liberals are getting all bullish about their chances of winning, and some probably won't vote again because of this. Conversely, Trumpians are hanging on for dear life, and will, almost every one of them, get out to vote this time.
My prediction has been that if this happens, and the election result is close, the Republicans are most likely to call a Biden win illegitimate and start some kind of uproar. However, if, as polls suggest, Biden wins by a large margin, I imagine Republicans won't be stupid enough to maintain an "it was rigged" story for long. If this happens, congratulations Americans, you have avoided conflict this time. With that said, I think people should really go back and look at the breakup of Yugoslavia if they think Balkanisation can't happen in the United States. If the process starts, it will be irreversible. That is all.
Blake Stilwell of We Are The Mighty wrote:French Marines were manning observation posts on either side of the Vrbanja Bridge. They were UN peacekeepers, the first to arrive in the decimated city of Sarajevo during the Bosnian War in May 1995. But their day was to begin in humiliation and end in bloodshed as their mission to hold the observation posts quickly escalated into the first UN combat mission of the war.
When they first began their occupation of the bridge, one side was overtaken by Bosnian Serb commandos. Dressed in French uniforms and donning French weapons, the commandos took one side of the bridge without firing a shot. They even pulled up to the post in a stolen French armored personnel carrier. For many of the Serbs, it was the last thing they would ever do.
At gunpoint, the 10 French marines were disarmed and taken captive, and driven to another location. The other two were to be used on the bridge as human shields. The other side of the bridge didn't even know their comrades had been overrun and captured. When the other unit didn't check in with headquarters, their platoon commander came to check in on the Marines – he then sounded the alarm. When their fellow marines discovered their friends had been taken captive, they decided to move quickly on the Serb commandos.
"When the Serbs took our soldiers under their control by threat, by dirty tricks, they began to act as terrorists, you cannot support this," Said Col. Erik Sandahl, commander of the 4th French Battalion. "You must react. The moment comes when you have to stop it. Full stop. And we did."
When French President Jacques Chirac found out about the captured French marines, he went around the UN and ordered his troops to retake the bridge and find the missing men. The French sent 30 more Marines, 13 APCs, and 70 French Army soldiers to the bridge. But they couldn't just blow up the observation post or do a regular infantry assault on the position. There were still hostages inside. They were going to have to do it the old fashioned way.
The French marines mounted their first bayonet charge since the Korean War.
After the bayonet charge, a 32-minute firefight ensued that saw one of the French hostages shot by a Bosnian sniper, the other hostage escaped, three Frenchmen killed in action and another ten wounded, along with four Serbs killed, three wounded and another four taken prisoner. The 10 French hostages were later released. The Serbs soldiers captured were treated as prisoners of war and held by the UN peacekeeping force.
It was the last time the French Army ever launched a bayonet charge, but for the rest of the time the French were participating as UN Peacekeepers in Bosnia, the Serbian forces kept a clear, noticeable distance from them.
This is the mechanism for suppressing social opposition: Jacobin and the DSA capitulate to Sanders, who capitulates to Biden, who yields to Trump. Without this dynamic, Trump’s position would be untenable.
The growth of a fascist movement in the United States is a reality. This is Trump’s political strategy on November 3 and beyond. And even if he were to lose the election, Trump would still have the long months between November 3 and January 20, 2021 to pardon his far-right supporters and escalate his fascist strategy.
In a major speech delivered yesterday on behalf of Biden in Philadelphia, former president Barack Obama made no reference to the plot to kill two sitting governors from his own party. Though the press has universally declared that the speech was “scathing,” Obama did not make a single reference to Whitmer, Northam, Michigan, Virginia, Proud Boys, militia, the far-right, dictatorship or Trump’s statement that fascists should “stand by” for election day.
The Democratic Party has all but dropped the matter for fear that alerting the public about the threat of dictatorship will radicalize the population and engender social opposition to the entire political establishment.
The Washington Post wrote:With millions of votes yet to be counted, President Trump falsely asserted election fraud, pledged to mount a legal challenge to official state results and made a premature claim of victory in a bitterly contested race that may take days to resolve.
Unthinking Majority wrote:If Trump refused to obey the law and leave power if he loses,
ben franklin [pre death] • 2 hours ago • edited
We should be so lucky that the only effect is that Donald Trump simply plays a role as an opposition Republican in the case of a Biden victory. More likely is the ramping up and excitation of thousands or even tens of thousands of militia members including many police belonging to fascist groups during the period of legal challenge. If that legal challenge is defeated you can be sure these groups will blame it all on the deep state. Guerrilla actions, terrorism, and insurrection is extremely likely.
People who think this is some sort of ridiculous crack pot theory don't understand the thinking of these militia. They truly believe they are the modern day versions of the American Revolutionary soldiers defending the United States (as they see it) against a deep state hell bent on creating a Stalinist nightmare. They really believe this. And so they see nothing wrong with insurrectionary violence... in fact they truly believe it to be the highest moral action. So don't think my analysis is just some bleak sky-is-falling nonsense. It's a real prediction garnered from analysis of the current state of affairs and my understanding of the mindset of these Breitbart / Alex Jones charged militias.
wat0n wrote:The 20th Amendment would (in the unlikely worst case scenario) show a way out of something like that. Most likely, votes would be recounted and the SCOTUS would decide.
Goranhammer 2.0 wrote:Biden winning is the ONLY possibility of peace in the streets. Even then, who knows.
We know who the untermensch in America are, and who they support.
Senter wrote:What are your thoughts about the consequences of some large, national "militia" of, say, 100,000 members going around sniping and arresting and "trying" politicians, or of a general armed uprising aimed at seizing power? Who would do what?
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