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By colliric
#15130126
ingliz wrote:Daily Mail


:lol:


Nevertheless they are a mainstream paper, and they picked up the story. So let's see if other MSM rags follow-up.

I am of the opinion the election is 50/50, but I'm tipping resurgence polls and an Electoral College win for Trump....

But if Biden wins, well I'm covering my bases so you Bidenites can't use it against me. It won't be a landslide though. Trump is too close.
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By blackjack21
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B0ycey wrote:I don't see why the actions of a son should matter but even if I accept that as relevant, Biden is facing Trump who has even more sandals to his name than Hunter.

You mean scandals like getting impeached for asking the newly elected Ukrainian leader to investigate whether there was corruption involved in Biden's demand to fire a prosecutor? Hunter's actions do matter, because he received large emoluments from the person being investigated and set up a meeting with his VP father on behalf of the person being investigated. We didn't know it at the time, but the entire Democrat establishment tried to impeach Trump on discovering what we now know to be true. We also know that the Russiagate "scandal" was created entirely from whole cloth by the Hillary Clinton campaign, that the Russian government informed the CIA of this, and that the CIA apprised the FBI and the White House of this; yet, the FBI still used the Hillary Clinton dossier to defraud the FISA courts so that they could use America's national security spy apparatus to gain political intel on Trump.

B0ycey wrote:Republicans seem not to care about Stormy Daniels, Pussygate, Weinsteingate, Russiangate, Covidgate and basically every scandal Trump has been involved in the past four years but that Hunters laptop is going to be the defining factor for Democrats to vote for the antichrist again?

Stormy Daniels? No crime committed. He nailed a porn star while his wife was pregnant back in 2006. So what? Pussygate? No crime committed. Just talking bullshit. Weinsteingate? Never heard of it. Russia, ibid. Everyone knows it was a Democrat party dirty trick that used federal government operations to make it look real. Covidgate? No such thing.

B0ycey wrote:Biden is a BS candidate that in any other election wouldn't stand a chance of winning.

Biden has lost his marbles. He just bragged about having the largest and most inclusive voter fraud ring in US history, as if being inclusive when committing voter fraud somehow made voter fraud virtuous. As Trump said, "He's shot folks. He's gonzo!" Biden is toast.

B0ycey wrote:But Trump is so damn divisive that next month even he will win by a landslide despite his pitfalls. And in this election even Hillary would win big against Trump I might add. :lol:

You people watch too much TV. I just took a road trip from the Bay Area to Tahoe--Looking at property on the Nevada side, as I'm tired of paying taxes to the State of California. I took the scenic route up the river until I hit Sacramento, then up HWY 50. Once you get out of the Bay Area in California, you see Trump flags. Not just signs. There are Trump flags on boats. There are Trump flags on pick up trucks. There are Trump flags flying alongside houses. The enthusiasm for Trump outside of urban media centers is impressive. The media is no more "inclusive" and embracing of "diversity" outside of the urban media centers than they were in 2016. It's as if they cannot see what is right in front of most Americans' eyes.

Patrickov wrote:Then why don't those having abandoned Hillary Clinton in 2016 just apologize to her and nominate her unanimously?

Indeed. While she's probably half dead due to alcoholism, she's still a better candidate than Biden. Yet, she garners absolutely no enthusiasm on the ground either.

B0ycey wrote:Because she didn't contest and Biden did :eh:

He hasn't contested yet. They are planning a massive voter fraud operation in Pennsylvania. There are a few hundred thousand random ballots out there, basically as many as Trump won by in 2016 which they will return unsigned after the election to try to tip it to Biden.

B0ycey wrote:Maybe Sanders is the exception but he could never get the candidacy whilst Democrats have super delegates.

If Warren hadn't run, Sanders would have beaten everyone. Warren will never be president, but she served the party by spoiling Sander's candidacy. Biden came in fourth in Iowa, fifth in New Hampshire and second in Nevada. He only got the nomination, because the party engineered Sander's demise and the withdraw of all the competitors to Biden. That's how bad the situation was for them.

Patrickov wrote:What I think is that Trumpers trying to emphasize how Biden and / or his son is complicit with totalitarian regimes is bullshit.

It's actually more pointed than that: it's as if to say, "Why are your jobs going overseas and illegal aliens pushing your wages down? Because the people running things in Washington are getting paid off through their family members (Hunter) or their charities (Clinton Foundation), which are basically bribes but making it harder to prosecute as bribes."

B0ycey wrote:But unfortunately people don't understand how the American political institution is actively against them and as such have voted against their self interests numerous times because propaganda is a major factor in the US and scandal and smear is the best tool for propaganda it seems.

Trump's victory shows that they do understand. They were just never able to get someone outside of the two parties at the top of the ticket. They got Reagan. Buchannan tried to run against Bush I, and ended up bringing him down. They tried to get Ross Perot and failed. Finally, they got Trump. A second Ronald Reagan of sorts.

B0ycey wrote:But in this election Trump has done such a bad job at president propaganda isn't going to cut it this time.

This isn't the sentiment in most of America. Look at the Trump rallies. Trump's job approval is back over 50%.

B0ycey wrote:Don't be one of these idiots that still think Trump has a chance in November please.

If Trump can shut down the illegal after election balloting, he will win. That's why getting Amy Coney Barret confirmed is essential, because Roberts is a Never Trumper.

B0ycey wrote:Although perhaps I rely more on polls to make my judgement then I should so I guess that I will reserve idiot until the 4th.

Since the Nixon administration, when was the last time a Republican was ahead in the polls before election day? Never. Yet we have Reagan with landslides, Bush I with a landslide then a defeat, Bush II with two elections--one without the popular vote, and Trump without the popular vote. That's six elections in which the polls were against the Republican and the Republican won anyway. The polls are more of a psychological warfare operation at this point than anything else.
By Sivad
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blackjack21 wrote:Since the Nixon administration, when was the last time a Republican was ahead in the polls before election day? Never. Yet we have Reagan with landslides, Bush I with a landslide then a defeat, Bush II with two elections--one without the popular vote, and Trump without the popular vote. That's six elections in which the polls were against the Republican and the Republican won anyway. The polls are more of a psychological warfare operation at this point than anything else.


By B0ycey
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blackjack21 wrote:Hunter's actions do matter, because he received large emoluments from the person being investigated and set up a meeting with his VP father on behalf of the person being investigated.


This matters about as much as Trump Jr setting up meetings with Russia to meet his father. And let's not forget Trumps links with Stone and Bannon either shall we.

Hunters actions don't matter because Trump is his own scandal that people are now immune to scandal in this election as it is currently the norm rather than the exception to make any difference in people's opinions now. Perhaps you wish it matters because of your political bias. And that isn't even putting in the factor that Hunter isn't running for president in any case.
By late
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Wow, something about the election that isn't straight out of lala land.

I don't see that every day.

First, and of course, polls are limited in their predictive power.

Second, polls, the best ones, have slowly gotten better over the years.

There isn't a better alternative out there. Find something better, you'll be famous.

One of the things that blowhard was talking about is exactly what good pollsters are doing these days, breaking the electorate down into it's constituent elements.

One of the problems with any statistical analysis is you're assuming the future is going to be like the past. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. You pays your money, you takes your chances.
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By Rancid
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B0ycey wrote:
I know you do Rancid. But your notorious faith will cost you (was it) $100 to JohnRawls and one pint to me. :p

I am looking forward to Trump's whooping so much that I might even spend the entire day and night on PoFo reading FinFinder, Blackjacks and Hindsite salty tears. And I am not even American. :lol:


It was originally $100, but then my faith waivered, so it's $10 now. :lol:

Beren wrote:Do you also believe it will be decided in the time period left until Election Day and the whole fuss should be taken seriously rather than just waiting for the results stoically? I mean there still are many votes to cast, but there are hardly anyone making up their minds because Hunter Biden or any of Trump's children did this or that or 50 Cent says something.



I don't entirely understand the question, but yes, it should be taken seriously. Yes, there are still votes that either side can win, or at the very least, both sides should be behaving as though this is true. I agree that all this biden sex tape and TRump family stuff doesn't matter much though.
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By annatar1914
#15130143
blackjack21 wrote:You mean scandals like getting impeached for asking the newly elected Ukrainian leader to investigate whether there was corruption involved in Biden's demand to fire a prosecutor? Hunter's actions do matter, because he received large emoluments from the person being investigated and set up a meeting with his VP father on behalf of the person being investigated. We didn't know it at the time, but the entire Democrat establishment tried to impeach Trump on discovering what we now know to be true. We also know that the Russiagate "scandal" was created entirely from whole cloth by the Hillary Clinton campaign, that the Russian government informed the CIA of this, and that the CIA apprised the FBI and the White House of this; yet, the FBI still used the Hillary Clinton dossier to defraud the FISA courts so that they could use America's national security spy apparatus to gain political intel on Trump.


Stormy Daniels? No crime committed. He nailed a porn star while his wife was pregnant back in 2006. So what? Pussygate? No crime committed. Just talking bullshit. Weinsteingate? Never heard of it. Russia, ibid. Everyone knows it was a Democrat party dirty trick that used federal government operations to make it look real. Covidgate? No such thing.


Biden has lost his marbles. He just bragged about having the largest and most inclusive voter fraud ring in US history, as if being inclusive when committing voter fraud somehow made voter fraud virtuous. As Trump said, "He's shot folks. He's gonzo!" Biden is toast.


You people watch too much TV. I just took a road trip from the Bay Area to Tahoe--Looking at property on the Nevada side, as I'm tired of paying taxes to the State of California. I took the scenic route up the river until I hit Sacramento, then up HWY 50. Once you get out of the Bay Area in California, you see Trump flags. Not just signs. There are Trump flags on boats. There are Trump flags on pick up trucks. There are Trump flags flying alongside houses. The enthusiasm for Trump outside of urban media centers is impressive. The media is no more "inclusive" and embracing of "diversity" outside of the urban media centers than they were in 2016. It's as if they cannot see what is right in front of most Americans' eyes.


Indeed. While she's probably half dead due to alcoholism, she's still a better candidate than Biden. Yet, she garners absolutely no enthusiasm on the ground either.


He hasn't contested yet. They are planning a massive voter fraud operation in Pennsylvania. There are a few hundred thousand random ballots out there, basically as many as Trump won by in 2016 which they will return unsigned after the election to try to tip it to Biden.


If Warren hadn't run, Sanders would have beaten everyone. Warren will never be president, but she served the party by spoiling Sander's candidacy. Biden came in fourth in Iowa, fifth in New Hampshire and second in Nevada. He only got the nomination, because the party engineered Sander's demise and the withdraw of all the competitors to Biden. That's how bad the situation was for them.


It's actually more pointed than that: it's as if to say, "Why are your jobs going overseas and illegal aliens pushing your wages down? Because the people running things in Washington are getting paid off through their family members (Hunter) or their charities (Clinton Foundation), which are basically bribes but making it harder to prosecute as bribes."


Trump's victory shows that they do understand. They were just never able to get someone outside of the two parties at the top of the ticket. They got Reagan. Buchannan tried to run against Bush I, and ended up bringing him down. They tried to get Ross Perot and failed. Finally, they got Trump. A second Ronald Reagan of sorts.


This isn't the sentiment in most of America. Look at the Trump rallies. Trump's job approval is back over 50%.


If Trump can shut down the illegal after election balloting, he will win. That's why getting Amy Coney Barret confirmed is essential, because Roberts is a Never Trumper.


Since the Nixon administration, when was the last time a Republican was ahead in the polls before election day? Never. Yet we have Reagan with landslides, Bush I with a landslide then a defeat, Bush II with two elections--one without the popular vote, and Trump without the popular vote. That's six elections in which the polls were against the Republican and the Republican won anyway. The polls are more of a psychological warfare operation at this point than anything else.


@blackjack21 , Everything you said is true. But they aren't listening, one can tell by their comments elsewhere. Everything you have said could be said by anyone with any ideology whatsoever, even by a politically liberal commentator, but it isn't registering yet with them.

I am a Socialist, and it doesn't register even from hearing it from me that the liberals in the United States have descended into extreme collective psychosis, a break from political reality, total delusion.

So when the literally unthinkable happens-again-they are going to go into absolute spasms of hysteria, again... We can already see it somewhat with a whole thread on PoFo devoted to ''what to do if Trump comes after political opponents''... Which is interesting considering articles online by liberals suggesting that they go after people who have voted for Trump.
By Patrickov
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annatar1914 wrote:... We can already see it somewhat with a whole thread on PoFo devoted to ''what to do if Trump comes after political opponents''... Which is interesting considering articles online by liberals suggesting that they go after people who have voted for Trump.


I think if Trump "destroys democracy and imposes some kind of dictatorship in America" then the liberals have every reason to "go after" Trump voters.

In other words, this is exactly the answer for ''what to do if Trump comes after political opponents''.

Another mystery solved!

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But seriously, some delusions are big enough that they ought to be taken seriously. It's a force of its own.
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By annatar1914
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@Patrickov


But seriously, some delusions are big enough that they ought to be taken seriously. It's a force of its own.


By November 3rd, the American Liberals will have been too demoralized by their own loser candidates Biden and Harris to carry on too much about it, except on the Internet.

What's interesting is I think most of them would be really demoralized and disillusioned if Biden and Harris did win, and then proceeded to pretty much run the country as President Trump has. But that always happens too, and they miss the connection there also.
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By annatar1914
#15130150
annatar1914 wrote:@Patrickov




By November 3rd, the American Liberals will have been too demoralized by their own loser candidates Biden and Harris to carry on too much about it, except on the Internet.

What's interesting is I think most of them would be really demoralized and disillusioned if Biden and Harris did win, and then proceeded to pretty much run the country as President Trump has. But that always happens too, and they miss the connection there also.


I mean, there's now articles like this coming out;

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... _that.html

With statements like this;




This video shows only the tip of the iceberg of what is important in the Chinese Communist Party’s Blue-Gold-Yellow (BGY) program. They take advantage of all those Western politicians, celebrities, and their families who are greedy for Chinese wealth, and threaten them by getting hold of and recording their sex and drug videos, forcing them to sell out their countries and people, and even their own national security in order to cooperate with the Chinese Communist Party’s world domination.

U.S. presidential candidate Joe Biden is 100% controlled by the Chinese Communist Party as one of the most successful political instances of the BGY program. He is also a target of the CCP’s 3F plan, which aims to “fall, fail, and fell,” to weaken, destroy and kill America!

The Chinese Communist Party’s use of this tactic to threaten Biden and his sons and to bribe them with large amounts of wealth is one of the major causes of the disputes over the South China Sea, US-China trade, intellectual property rights, and energy prices, etc., as well as Biden’s provision of large numbers of CIA intelligence agents in China to the Chinese Communist Party.

The Chinese Communist Party has such a BGY program in the United States and in several Western countries in Europe. We will have millions of videos and photos of government officials, corrupt people, traitors, and criminals colluding with the Communist Party to dominate the world.


It's not looking good, if any of it is true, and it's hard to deny pictures and emails and videos out there, isn't it?
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By maz
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blackjack21 wrote:Stormy Daniels? No crime committed. He nailed a porn star while his wife was pregnant back in 2006. So what? Pussygate? No crime committed. Just talking bullshit. Weinsteingate? Never heard of it. Russia, ibid. Everyone knows it was a Democrat party dirty trick that used federal government operations to make it look real. Covidgate? No such thing.

You people watch too much TV.


Indeed. Like everyone already didn't know that they were voting for a womanizing blowhard.

B0ycey wrote:The same non diehards that didn't care that a candidate "grabbed them by the pussy?"


Speaking of "pussygate, here is a video that's going viral. To me, it proves that white suburban liberal women and maybe even some more moderate conservative women are still upset that Trump said "pussy" almost 20 years ago, and that Hillary didn't break the glass ceiling.

Or, at least that is what this kind of cheap appeal to emotion is supposed to invoke in these kinds of women.

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A nazi who was radicalized by memes: Stupid women and their dumb emotions. I'm a logical hard man who makes the hard decisions, like hating Jews. Now it's time to post some cryng wojacks and pepes because they make me feel like part of a community.
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By Random American
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I'm not voting for Trump and it isn't because he made some mean tweets or said "grab them by the pussy" once, it is that and the way he is acting in the white house right now that is contributing to my decision. Especially with downplaying a virus and stripping away people's healthcare. Certainly that's a far better reason than his lack of civility. Democrats should run on economic and healthcare policies, not mere identity politics, as that's how Trump won in the first place.
By Istanbuller
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Random American wrote:Democrats should run on economic and healthcare policies, not mere identity politics, as that's how Trump won in the first place.

I don't think It is a good idea. Democrats don't understand economics.
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By Random American
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Istanbuller wrote:I don't think It is a good idea. Democrats don't understand economics.

Healthcare even would be better. We're in a pandemic and we will reform our healthcare system while Trump and the GOP wants to go back to the pre-Affordable Care Act days where medical expenses caused the most bankruptcies here. Run on that, not mean tweets or social pet projects.
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By Rancid
#15130180
Istanbuller wrote:I don't think It is a good idea. Democrats don't understand economics.

Most people don't.

Especially Republican voters that on one hand call for the free market policies, but then complain and want action to prevent globalization (tariffis/protectionism). While not understanding that globalization is the logical and only conclusion of free market capitalism. They don't even know what they want.
By Istanbuller
#15130181
Random American wrote:Healthcare even would be better. We're in a pandemic and we will reform our healthcare system while Trump and the GOP wants to go back to the pre-Affordable Care Act days where medical expenses caused the most bankruptcies here. Run on that, not mean tweets or social pet projects.

No one would go bankrupt if there was a free market healthcare. Demand and supply forces of market would set a price which everyone can have access to healthcare.

On the other hand, Democrats wants otherwise. They want to nationalize the entire system. They pump taxpayers money into it. You call it Obamacare in America. In every 5 to 10 years, these nationalised healthcare systems go bankrupt everywhere in the world. Poeple lose their retirement savings due to it.
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Istanbuller wrote:No one would go bankrupt if there was a free market healthcare.

I doubt this very much. Market failures are very much a thing, and we pretty much had free market healthcare. We're not a country that had a tightly regulated economy. Enough with the right libertarian talking points, government is not what's stopping us from reaching a utopia.

Edit: Are you Hans Hermann Hoppe or your account based off him? Your location is listed as Istanbul, Turkey, which just so happens to be where Hoppe currently resides.
By Doug64
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B0ycey wrote:Hunters actions don't matter because Trump is his own scandal that people are now immune to scandal in this election as it is currently the norm rather than the exception to make any difference in people's opinions now.

Biden's entire campaign centers around "I'm not Trump!" with the implication that "Trump is EVIL!" Anything that undercuts that by making Biden look anything like what the Left has been insisting Trump is like ever since he won hurts Biden. Just think of how much "fun" we'll have if Biden wins but the Republicans hold onto the Senate, and its investigating committees....
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