- 21 Oct 2020 11:35
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First:
I hope that what you are doing now is not fishing for a "weak spot" or a way to demoralize me or embarrass me because of my student debt. If so.. shame on you, but I'll warn you, it won't work. It won't work because my loans are not a burden to me. I am proud to pay for my own education. I am grateful that I got a good education and a competitive career. Neither of which I would have obtained in Cuba. You know what the Cuban doctor does to survive? Drive a taxi... Furthermore, the options fo pay for the loans are endless. I could have just gone for student loan forgiveness... just work for a non-profit for 10 years (you still get paid great $$) and voila, debt is gone. "Investing" 10 years of my life for my career is a far better deal than investing a lifetime... as you would in cuba since you basically become a slave of the system over there. Finally, I could have chosen a different career... a shorter, cheaper career, if I was so worried about loans... which I am not. Honestly, I have no problems talking about this topic to your heart's content but it is offtopic so perhaps you might want to open another thread for this.
Second:
That's a soft copout and a terrible argument altogether. In fact, that is an "ad populum" fallacy. A version of "cuba must be great because a lot of people believe it" . That is obviously a BS argument that I can just flip back to you by saying "Cuba must be awful because a lot of people believe it".
But I will go further. You cannot use that argument and I'll show you why... You can make the exact same argument for north Korea! Or Napoleonic France, or Stalin-era soviet Russia, etc, etc.
I knew you were heading into the "you have debt, therefore cuba is better" nonsense.... but I let you go there because it is nonsense. Utter nonsense. I had a choice and I made my choice. Whether it was the right one or not... time will say. But the key here... I HAD THE CHOICE!, the cubans in cuba don't have a choice. They have to be content with whatever breadcrumps they get.
It is like saying that you rather live in a country that has no MRI because if you do an MRI you might find a brain tumor and you rather don't find out if you have a brain tumor or not... That's fucking retarded... how about you live in a country that has MRI... and if you choose not to have it... you don't? Why eliminate the option completely before even getting to the problem?
I am seriously flabbergasted... otherwise smart people making these kinds of frankly idiotic claims.
You are like the guy that goes door to door to sell the magic lamp... question... if the lamp is magic and can grant you any wish? why are you trying to sell it in the first place .
Of the two of us... only one is living his life in a way that is consistent with his worldview... and that person is me. You are selling the magic lamp of how great Cuba is... meanwhile you are not using it for yourself There is something fishy there.
skinster wrote:You're not the only Cuban, X guy. There are plenty of Cubans who disagree with you and aren't spending their lives in half a million of debt just so they can move to a country that provides shitty and extortionate healthcare.
First:
I hope that what you are doing now is not fishing for a "weak spot" or a way to demoralize me or embarrass me because of my student debt. If so.. shame on you, but I'll warn you, it won't work. It won't work because my loans are not a burden to me. I am proud to pay for my own education. I am grateful that I got a good education and a competitive career. Neither of which I would have obtained in Cuba. You know what the Cuban doctor does to survive? Drive a taxi... Furthermore, the options fo pay for the loans are endless. I could have just gone for student loan forgiveness... just work for a non-profit for 10 years (you still get paid great $$) and voila, debt is gone. "Investing" 10 years of my life for my career is a far better deal than investing a lifetime... as you would in cuba since you basically become a slave of the system over there. Finally, I could have chosen a different career... a shorter, cheaper career, if I was so worried about loans... which I am not. Honestly, I have no problems talking about this topic to your heart's content but it is offtopic so perhaps you might want to open another thread for this.
Second:
That's a soft copout and a terrible argument altogether. In fact, that is an "ad populum" fallacy. A version of "cuba must be great because a lot of people believe it" . That is obviously a BS argument that I can just flip back to you by saying "Cuba must be awful because a lot of people believe it".
But I will go further. You cannot use that argument and I'll show you why... You can make the exact same argument for north Korea! Or Napoleonic France, or Stalin-era soviet Russia, etc, etc.
I knew you were heading into the "you have debt, therefore cuba is better" nonsense.... but I let you go there because it is nonsense. Utter nonsense. I had a choice and I made my choice. Whether it was the right one or not... time will say. But the key here... I HAD THE CHOICE!, the cubans in cuba don't have a choice. They have to be content with whatever breadcrumps they get.
It is like saying that you rather live in a country that has no MRI because if you do an MRI you might find a brain tumor and you rather don't find out if you have a brain tumor or not... That's fucking retarded... how about you live in a country that has MRI... and if you choose not to have it... you don't? Why eliminate the option completely before even getting to the problem?
I am seriously flabbergasted... otherwise smart people making these kinds of frankly idiotic claims.
You are like the guy that goes door to door to sell the magic lamp... question... if the lamp is magic and can grant you any wish? why are you trying to sell it in the first place .
Of the two of us... only one is living his life in a way that is consistent with his worldview... and that person is me. You are selling the magic lamp of how great Cuba is... meanwhile you are not using it for yourself There is something fishy there.