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By Sivad
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ingliz wrote:No you did not.

Rudy said, “This is not a fraud case”.


That's not what we were talking about, are you like trying to save it by throwing out random bullshit that doesn't apply to anything that's been said? Bizarre.

The next thing he'll do after making ten more blatantly retarded posts is try to claim that he was only trolling. The reason ingliz never posts anything that could be considered as even remotely intelligent is because he's always just trolling, but secretly he's a genius. :lol:



Whether or not a dataset follows Benford's Law proves nothing...

Walter R. Mebane, Jr., Inappropriate Applications of Benford’s Law Regularities to Some Data from the 2020 Presidential Election in the United States;, November 10, 2020



What in the crack pipe does that have to do with anything?
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By ingliz
#15140470
Sivad wrote:Bizarre

If you are not alleging fraud, why repost a nameless blog purporting to show the election was fraudulent?

What in the crack pipe does that have to do with anything?

It has to do with the amateur hour 'statistical analysis' you posted.


:)
By Sivad
#15140471
ingliz wrote:If you are not alleging fraud, why repost a nameless blog purporting to show the election was fraudulent?


It has to do with the amateur hour 'statistical analysis' you posted.


:)


What, in the fuck, are you talking about? What blog did I post? Are you talking about the article @Finfinder posted? If so then you're even confused about that because that article repeatedly stressed that it absolutely was not alleging fraud, it was only identifying an anomaly and suggesting that it might be worth looking into. And what does Benford's law have to do with any of that?
By Sivad
#15140473
Rancid wrote:Mueller did not conclude that Russia was a hoax.


Russia is a total hoax. the people that live there aren't Russian, there's really no such thing as Russians or vodka, it's really just eskimos in slav face drinking toilet water calling each other Ivan.
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By Godstud
#15140479
@Sivad :roll: What you are saying about Russia is incalculably stupid.

People aren't arrested for "hoaxes". :knife:

Here's everyone who has been charged, convicted, and sentenced in the Russia probe so far
On February 20, a federal judge sentenced Stone to 40 months in prison and ordered him to pay a $20,000 fine, serve four years of probation after his sentence, and complete 250 hours of community service.

A jury convicted Stone in November 2019 on five counts of making false statements, one count of witness tampering, and one count of obstruction of justice stemming from the Russia probe.

Stone, who has worked as a political consultant for Trump since the 1980s, was convicted in a Washington, D.C. federal court on November 15, 2019 on five counts of obstruction of justice, one count of making false statements to Congress, and one count of witness tampering.

Mueller's investigation charged Stone on those seven counts in January in connection with his statements to Congress on his communications with people affiliated with the radical transparency group WikiLeaks.

Stone, who acted as an informal adviser to Trump during the campaign, sent out several tweets in the summer of 2016 that raised questions about whether he had prior knowledge about WikiLeaks' plans to publish the hacked emails.

The indictment laying out the charges Stone was convicted on alleged that Stone made "multiple false statements to [the House Intelligence Committee] about his interactions regarding Organization 1, and falsely denied possessing records that contained evidence of these interactions" in 2017 testimony.

Not only is making false statements to Congress a crime on its own, but the indictment said that Stone's misleading testimony deliberated obstructed ongoing investigations by the FBI, House Intelligence Committee, and Senate Intelligence Committee.

Trump's former personal lawyer and "right-hand man" Michael Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison on fraud and lying charges, weeks after Mueller released a memorandum that detailed more than 70 hours of cooperating and witness testimony.

Cohen's is the most substantial sentence to date in Mueller's investigation.

Prosecutors previously recommended "substantial" prison time for Trump's former attorney Cohen, who pleaded guilty to financial crimes, campaign violations, and lying to Congress. The Southern District of New York recommended Cohen face 3 1/2 years of prison time and a $100,000 fine.

The filings concluded that Cohen "acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1," an apparent reference to Trump that implicates him in campaign finance violation for payments to two women who said they had affairs with Trump that prosecutors said showed intention to influence the election.

In a separate filing the same day, Mueller wrote that Cohen told prosecutors about previously unknown contact with a Russian national who claimed to be a "trusted person" in the Russian Federation who offered the campaign "political synergy" and "synergy on a government level." Cohen claimed that person repeatedly suggested a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

On Nov. 29, Cohen pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress and reached a new plea deal with the special counsel.

Cohen pleaded guilty to lying about the dates during which the Trump Organization actively pursued a business deal to pursue a Trump Tower in Moscow, initially claiming the discussions ended in January 2016 when they in fact continued into the summer of the year.

Prosecutors from the special counsel's office also charged that Cohen lied to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in testifying that he had never offered to travel to Russia and that he didn't recall any response from the Russian government regarding the deal.

In August, Cohen pleaded guilty in the Southern District of New York to five counts of tax evasion, one count of bank fraud, one count of making an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an illegal campaign finance contribution — which he said were made "at the direction" of Trump.

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was found guilty on eight federal counts of bank and tax fraud and pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice and one count of conspiracy against the US.

He also entered into a deal that included an agreement to cooperate with Mueller's investigation instead of going to trial in the District of Columbia on a separate indictment of counts of money laundering and failing to register as a foreign agent.

Manafort previously faced a total of 18 counts, but the 10 remaining were dismissed during the plea hearing after a judge declared mistrial in a Virginia trial.

On Nov. 26, however, Mueller's office said in a court filing that in the course of his cooperation, Manafort had lied to the FBI and the special counsel on "a variety of subject matters," which could land him in even more legal jeopardy.

He surrendered to federal authorities on October 30, 2017, after he was indicted, along with his business associate Rick Gates, on 12 counts, including conspiracy against the US and money laundering.

Manafort was forced to step down as Trump's campaign chairman in May 2016 after coming under fire for his connections to Russian oligarchs and his past lobbying efforts abroad.

Trump's former campaign chairman is accused of committing crimes while working as an unregistered lobbyist in the US for the Ukrainian government and pro-Russia interests beginning in 2006.

Mueller charged Manafort's "right-hand man" Konstantin Kilimnik in June with witness tampering in a superseding indictment that charges the Russian citizen and Manafort with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice.

Mueller reportedly began further investigation into Kilimnik in November with the help of three of his associates, including Manafort, to examine their political consultancy and lobbying work that connected them with prominent Russian oligarchs.

The special counsel has said Kilimnik has strong ties from past work with Russian intelligence and was in contact with top figures in Trump's 2016 campaign.

On August 31, Republican lobbyist Sam Patten plead guilty in federal court for failing to register as a foreign agent while he lobbied on behalf of Ukrainian interests in the US.

Patten worked on behalf of several a pro-Russia Ukrainian political party, including helping Ukrainian oligarchs illegally spend $50,000 in tickets to Trump's January 2017 inauguration, in violation of federal laws that ban inauguration funds from accepting money from foreign entities.

Patten is linked both to Manafort and Kilminik, as well as the opposition research firm Cambridge Analytica.

While Patten technically plead guilty in federal court in the District of Columbia and was not charged by the Mueller probe, Mueller referred the charges to the US Attorney's office for the District of Columbia, and the terms of his guilty plea require him to cooperate in the special counsel investigation.

In October 2017, Gates was indicted along with Manafort on 12 counts, including conspiracy against the US, making false statements, and failing to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. He at first pleaded not guilty on all counts.

Gates joined Trump election efforts in the spring of 2016, working as Manafort's deputy. He traveled with Trump and grew close with many top campaign officials.

After Manafort was ousted as Trump's campaign chief in August 2016, Gates continued working on behalf of the soon-to-be president, helping fundraise $25 million for the pro-Trump nonprofit America First Policies and working on Trump's inaugural committee. As Mueller's probe intensified in the early months of the Trump administration, Gates left the nonprofit altogether.

But as recently as June 2017, The Daily Beast reported that Gates was still visiting the White House and working under Tom Barrack, who has remained one of Trump's most trusted advisers.

Gates opted to take a plea deal in late February, pleading guilty to one charge of lying to investigators and one charge of conspiracy in exchange for becoming a cooperating witness in the Mueller probe. He testified against Manafort as the prosecution's star witness in its case in Virginia.

Gates confessed to committing crimes with Manafort, and also stealing millions of dollars from his longtime business partner to finance an extramarital affair.

Defense attorneys sought to paint Gates as the mastermind of his and Manafort's tax and bank fraud.

On the same day Mueller's office announced the indictments of Manafort and Gates, it was revealed that George Papadopoulos, a 30-year-old former Trump adviser, had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia.

After delivering seven hours of testimony to the House Judiciary and Oversight committees in October, Papadopoulos sought immunity before testifying to the Senate about Russian meddling and possible collusion with the Trump campaign.

According to documents that were unsealed by the Mueller investigation, Papadopoulos had made at least six attempts to set up a meeting between the Trump campaign and Russian representatives throughout the course of the 2016 presidential campaign, using a London-based professor named Joseph Mifsud and a female Russian national as conduits.

He was arrested October 5, 2017, and subsequently cooperated with Mueller's team. Papadopoulos is currently serving a 14-day prison sentence for lying to the FBI.

Trump has described Papadopoulos as a low-level volunteer.

"Few people knew the young, low level volunteer named George, who has already proven to be a liar," Trump tweeted following news of the guilty plea. "Check the DEMS!"

Special counsel Robert Mueller previously recommended that Papadopoulos be sentenced to as many as six months in prison.

Flynn, who has reportedly been at the center of Mueller's investigation for months, is perhaps the most high-profile person to be indicted to date.

On December 1, 2017, he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his conversations last December with Russia's ambassador to the US at the time, Sergey Kislyak.

An indictment filed by Mueller's office said Flynn "falsely stated" on December 29, 2016 that he did not ask Kislyak "to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day," and that Flynn did not recall Kislyak "subsequently telling him that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of his request."

Trump fired Flynn in February 2016, citing an "evolving and eroding level of trust" after the former national security adviser lied to Vice President Mike Pence about his interactions with Kislyak.

The firing was "not based on a legal issue, but based on a trust issue," Sean Spicer, who was then the White House press secretary, said at the time.

Flynn had been on the job for just 25 days.

On February 16, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced the indictments of 13 Russian citizens and three companies allegedly involved in meddling in the US political system.

"The defendants allegedly conducted what they called 'information warfare against the United States' with the stated goal of spreading distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general," Rosenstein said.

The charges focused on the Internet Research Agency (IRA), a notorious Russian "troll factory" that focused on sowing political discord during the 2016 US election by using internet bots to spread fake news and pro-Trump propaganda on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media platforms.

Yevgeny Prigozhin, a prominent businessman and associate of President Vladimir Putin who helped fund the IRA, was charged along with two of his businesses.

The defendants included 12 other Russian citizens, all of whom were identified as former IRA employees who played a role in Russian influence operations before, during, and after the 2016 election.

They are: Mikhail Bystrov, Mikhail Burchik, Aleksandra Krylova, Sergey Polozov, Anna Bogacheva, Maria Bovda, Robert Bovda, Dzheykhun Aslanov, Vadim Podkopaev, Gleb Vasilchenko, Irina Kaverzina, and Vladimir Venkov.

California resident Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty to one count of identity fraud on February 12, according to court documents.

The plea deal's release came immediately after Mueller's office announced charges against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities accused of interfering in the 2016 US election by mounting an elaborate and multi-faceted social media influence operation meant to sow political discord during and after the race.

According to the statement of offense, Pinedo ran a company called "Auction Essistance," which offered services meant to get around the security requirements set by online payment companies like eBay, PayPal, and Amazon. Auction Essistance was shut down in December.

To help customers circumvent the security protocols set up by online payment websites, Pinedo created bank accounts on the internet using fraudulent identities and then sold those account numbers to Auction Essistance customers, the statement of offense said.

It added that although Pinedo was not directly involved in registering the accounts while using fake identities, "he willfully and intentionally avoided learning about the use of stolen identities." ETC. ETC.

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-has ... mp-2017-12
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By ingliz
#15140483
Sivad wrote:it might be worth looking into.

Why haven't they presented this credible 'evidence' of outrageously anomalous outliers to the DoJ to investigate further?

Could it be because the anonymous poster knows it is bollocks and would be shown to be bollocks by a statistician (See Prof. Mebane's article).


;)
By Finfinder
#15140486
Sivad wrote:What, in the fuck, are you talking about? What blog did I post? Are you talking about the article @Finfinder posted? If so then you're even confused about that because that article repeatedly stressed that it absolutely was not alleging fraud, it was only identifying an anomaly and suggesting that it might be worth looking into. And what does Benford's law have to do with any of that?


Exactly ! I simply posted a link to start with nothing else no opinion. Predictably the leftist mob started their off topic drive by rock chucking. I noted this is their "tell' when someone posts something of merit. Again you are exactly correct the article went out of its way to be obvious and transparent with the information it provided and was solely focusing on the anomalies of election voting habits.

Now here is an example of someone claiming fraud. I'm pretty sure they are much smarter than Istanbul Ingliz nothing to see here more rock chucking to follow.



ingliz wrote:Why haven't they presented this credible 'evidence' of outrageously anomalous outliers to the DoJ to investigate further?

Could it be because the anonymous poster knows it is bollocks and would be shown to be bollocks by a statistician (See Prof. Mebane's article).


;)


how come you are lying about that ?
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By ingliz
#15140488
Finfinder wrote:Istanbul Ingliz

Geography is not your strong suit, my fishy friend. Malta is an island in the middle of the Mediterranean. With Sicily 120 miles to the North, it sits roughly equidistant from Tunisia to the West, and Libya to the South.

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Edited to make sure you don't get lost if you ever come to visit.


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By Sivad
#15140489
Finfinder wrote: Predictably the leftist mob started their off topic drive by rock chucking.


I get that the public denial on this is just part of politics(why anyone would bother going through the retarded routine here on pofo is beyond me though) but anyone who doesn't privately think that it's at least more likely than not that this election was stolen is just all the way up their own ass. I don't really endorse the metric used in that article you posted, maybe it's sound but I haven't fully thought it through so I don't know, I was just pointing out that Saeko's comments on it were dumb and I wouldn't even have bothered with that if Saeko wasn't so obnoxious about it, but even if that article is total bullshit it doesn't change the fact that there are so many firmly established irregularities and anomolies with this election that a forensic audit is more than warranted.
By Finfinder
#15140493
ingliz wrote:Geography is not your strong suit, my fishy friend. Malta is an island in the middle of the Mediterranean roughly equidistant from Sicily and Libya

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:)


LOL I love your lectures from Malta its sooooo little :lol:
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By JohnRawls
#15140495
Oh look @Sivad and @Finfinder spouting bullshit and lies. There is 0 proof. And before you start posting some propaganda, understand that the courts do not accept bullshit as proof. :lol: What is it now? 600 to 0 in Bidens favour for court battles?

Don't you think that all of the govenrment agencies and all of the Republican agents/private investigators would find something by now if there was indeed even a tiny shred of voter fraud? Or do you literally think that "The Democrats" or "The Deep State" are controlling tens of millions of people from finding anything out or talking? I mean Alex Jones is pretty crazy but your ideas are several fold crazier.
By Finfinder
#15140501
Sivad wrote:I get that the public denial on this is just part of politics(why anyone would bother going through the retarded routine here on pofo is beyond me though) but anyone who doesn't privately think that it's at least more likely than not that this election was stolen is just all the way up their own ass. I don't really endorse the metric used in that article you posted, maybe it's sound but I haven't fully thought it through so I don't know, I was just pointing out that Saeko's comments on it were dumb and I wouldn't even have bothered with that if Saeko wasn't so obnoxious about it, but even if that article is total bullshit it doesn't change the fact that there are so many firmly established irregularities and anomolies with this election that a forensic audit is more than warranted.


There is no need to back peddle that was my entire point. All I did was post a link I didn't comment on metrics. I could have posted my screen name only and nothing else, and we would be at the same place. I don't need anybodies confirmation to have common sense on such things like losing a 900,000 vote lead mysteriously in the middle of the night after they stopped counting. Or ....... 80 % of Republican and 30% of Democrats believe this election was stolen. I think there is enough to look into it. Personally I don't think many of the mail in votes are constitutionally legal, fraud would just be a by product of that. These guys are flipping out because it takes times to make a case and there seems to be some momentum right now with circumstantial evidence. All these court rulings for or against are landmark, so the entire purpose is to get to the Supreme Court.
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By ingliz
#15140502
Sivad wrote:anyone who doesn't privately think that it's at least more likely than not that this election was stolen is just all the way up their own ass.

Please present evidence of a stolen election.

The Trump campaign hasn't in a court of law - 39 cases dismissed, two lost on appeal, and dozens withdrawn.


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By Finfinder
#15140503
JohnRawls wrote:Oh look @Sivad and @Finfinder spouting bullshit and lies. There is 0 proof. And before you start posting some propaganda, understand that the courts do not accept bullshit as proof. :lol: What is it now? 600 to 0 in Bidens favour for court battles?

Don't you think that all of the govenrment agencies and all of the Republican agents/private investigators would find something by now if there was indeed even a tiny shred of voter fraud? Or do you literally think that "The Democrats" or "The Deep State" are controlling tens of millions of people from finding anything out or talking? I mean Alex Jones is pretty crazy but your ideas are several fold crazier.


No not just 2 people it 10 of millions of people.,......They have evidence. Do you expect some CSI television mystery smoking gun? You all make me laugh 400 signed affidavits is spouting lies. Your credibility went away 4 years ago with Russia Russia Russia. Thank for trying keep your head firmly buried in the sand.
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By JohnRawls
#15140504
Finfinder wrote:No not just 2 people it 10 of millions of people.,......They have evidence. Do you expect some CSI television mystery smoking gun? You all make me laugh 400 signed affidavits is spouting lies. Your credibility went away 4 years ago with Russia Russia Russia. Thank for trying keep your head firmly buried in the sand.


No, you do not have evidence. Why am I so sure about it? Well that is because courts full of both Democratic and Republicans judges denied all of the "Fraud" cases for being bullshit and having no proof. It is that simple.

The election was fair and there is no evidence for the contrary. Your subjective opinion is not going to cut it here.
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By ingliz
#15140505
Finfinder wrote:the entire purpose is to get to the Supreme Court.

Why?

Congress can ignore the Supreme Court, if it chooses. Their power is plenary.

If the two Houses disagree...

Pelosi for President, anybody?


:lol:
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By Rugoz
#15140508
Is this how all Republics collapse? Because large parts of the population live in a alternate reality? Or is it something uniquely postmodern?
By Finfinder
#15140509
JohnRawls wrote:No, you do not have evidence..


I'm not the one litigating this. That's what you people do.... it all has to be so personal. :lol:

JohnRawls wrote:No, you do not have evidence. Why am I so sure about it? Well that is because courts full of both Democratic and Republicans judges denied all of the "Fraud" cases for being bullshit and having no proof. It is that simple. .


No it's not that simple. It's about the legality of the mail in vote. You only hear what your echo chamber tells you too. According to your echo chamber mentality OJ simple is completely innocent. That's not flying here sell it to your kind.

JohnRawls wrote:The election was fair and there is no evidence for the contrary. Your subjective opinion is not going to cut it here.


Like I give a give a shit what you think and btw tell that to the tens of millions of voters who think otherwise. You people are the laziest unimaginative thinkers on this forum. Tell me why the 400 affidavits are all liars that should be jailed. Lift a finger actually do some work and investigation listen to a deposition.

Rugoz wrote:Is this how all Republics collapse? Because large parts of the population live in a alternate reality? Or is it something uniquely postmodern?


Are you saying this was a good election for the Democrats. LOL Lets get back to some reality here. What happen down ticket?
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By Rancid
#15140510
Rugoz wrote:Is this how all Republics collapse? Because large parts of the population live in a alternate reality? Or is it something uniquely postmodern?


Great question. This might be something new to the modern world though. Who knows.
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