Julian658 wrote:The extreme left used to pit the proletariat against the employer to promote socialism. Now they pit ALL minorities (race identity politics) agains Europeans to promote the same extreme left ideology.
That appears to be the case--that they basically abandoned the proletariat, because the proletariat always preferred the rising living standards offered by capitalism rather than the stasis and stability of socialism.
Julian658 wrote:However, it is possible that some people in the minority community, more so among blacks are only driven by racial group hate.
Maybe some, but I think even blacks are changing considerably. One huge fear is that Trump delivered the lowest unemployment rate and rising wages to blacks--the best in the history of the United States. Coronavirus lockdowns are destroying that, but the best they ever had it was under Trump--and ironically, not under Obama. When I hear people angry about race, it's mostly coming from white liberals from my perspective.
XogGyux wrote:This is irrelevant. They can just settle the matter and/or seek damages on court and see if they get awarded anything for it.
As a matter of law, perhaps. As a matter of politics and of economics it isn't. As a matter of politics, many around the world are condemning US social media giants. As a matter of economics, there is anti-trust law, and the apparent risk of dependence on Amazon. As someone who works on open source software, this is more good news for me--as were all the lockdowns forcing people to work from home.
XogGyux wrote:The rest of the noise, is just that, noise, because when they get people to like you railed up they get publicity and they want the publicity.
People like Trump want publicity. AWS and Twitter are platforms. The kind of publicity they are getting are like Angela Merkel, Obrador and others shocked that a CEO of a corporation can cancel not just Donald Trump, but can conspire with Apple, Google and Amazon to squelch the voices of all of Trump's supporters on Twitter from leaving Twitter and going to Parler. In doing so, they have destroyed much of US soft power overseas.
XogGyux wrote:It is a bad bet anyways, even if parler could gain a bunch of users out of this, is not like corporate america is suddently going to move their advertisement machinery completely towards this fringe group of people.
74M Trump voters is not a fringe. They are trying to prevent them from leaving Twitter and going to Parler, which is an anti-trust issue. Advertisers go where the eyeballs are, and their metrics show what's effective and what isn't.
XogGyux wrote:They are already fleeing political donations to certain republican/republican groups that supported opposing certification.
And this bothers you?
Trump has no ideology. He would say whatever he thinks benefits him in the moment and that is the end of his political strategy, thats it.
Generally, attacks on Trump hurt the attackers more than they hurt Trump. Why that happens, I have no idea. It almost seems like some divine intervention, but Trump has a way of exposing his opponents.
Politics_Observer wrote:@Julian658 @blackjack21
Ohh please stop trying to draw some kind of false moral equivalence or ask us to put unity over justice. At the end of the day, you can't have unity unless you have justice first.
You brought race into the discussion, probably based on Nancy Pelosi's off-the-wall commentary. People protesting an election is there first amendment right to do. You don't have to agree with it. They aren't allowed to be violent either, or they are subject to prosecution. Trying to argue that somehow the black vote put Biden over the top does not appear to be true.
Politics_Observer wrote:You are asking us to forget justice and let injustice continue simply for the sake of unity. Not going to happen.
Biden is calling for unity while Nancy Pelosi is baying for blood. Nobody was even protesting black people or anything about black people.
Politics_Observer wrote: We need justice first for our black brothers and sisters and we need to make sure that this white rage backlash doesn't intimidate or scare anybody.
Good luck with that. Protesting the stealing of a presidential election has nothing to do with black people.
Politics_Observer wrote:We are not afraid and stand ready to fight for the rights of our fellow citizens against this white backlash.
Whatever dude. I'm sure nobody is going to show up to fight you, because they are pre-occupied with other things.
Politics_Observer wrote:For far too long this country has sought to deny equal rights to our black brothers and sisters and now that the embodiment of white supremacy, namely Donald Trump, has lost an election, white seek to try to intimidate and put others "back in their place." Not going to happen. We stand ready to fight back and to fight for our rights as equal citizens.
Trump is not a white supremacist. He condemns white supremacists.
late wrote:When they say unity, they mean impunity. Law and tradition apply to others, not them.
Give it a rest. Biden's own campaign staff were making contributions to bail rioters out of jail in 2020, with Kamala Harris cheering them on. Pelosi and the Democrat leadership took a knee in the Capitol Rotunda signalling support for all the violent protesters during 2020. They have no problem with violence generally, when they are directing it. When it's coming their way, then they get their panties in a bunch.
late wrote:The Cult needs to learn a lesson, one way or the other. I'm not fussy about which way..
It's not working out the way you think. War and violence tend to be non-linear, producing counter-intuitive results.
Julian658 wrote: Squashing them will not solve the issues of black America.
Well, with the Coronavirus lockdowns, a lot of them are already economically squashed. I said back in March of 2020 before all the George Floyd stuff that we would see violence, and we have certainly seen it. Squashing people economically will lead to more violence, not less. That's the counterintuitive part of the revenge the Democrats are seeking. They think they will cement some sort of victory, but the country will spiral if they continue with this nonsense.
Julian658 wrote:The institution that destroyed black America is the Democratic Party. And the elite of the party continue to destroy black America to this day.
They need blacks to be dependent on the welfare state, or they will lose power. Our political parties are fractious entities. That's why the desire to destroy Trump even among Republicans is likely to damage them more than it damages Trump.
Politics_Observer wrote: They think they are above the law and rules don't apply to them.
Provide an example. I didn't go rioting in 2020, and I didn't protest on the Capitol steps either. In fact, I've been saying through much of the last year that the Democrats invited protests and dismissed the attendant violence. Anyone watching the violence in 2020 would think that it was perfectly okay to not only enter government buildings, but to burn them down.
XogGyux wrote:Exactly, imagine if we could go around shooting people on the face and then when caught ask for unity and understanding . Unity, screams the guy wearing the Auschwitz shirt, swastika tattoo, and KKK hood.
Have unity with your cellmate pal.
It's largely Biden that's asking for unity, but the left and the right are both rejecting him.
Politics_Observer wrote:Well one thing is for sure, Trump is a declining stock and is costing the republicans a lot of fund raising money right now given the boycotts by corporate America on those republicans who refused to recognize the election results.
And I should care about the welfare of Republicans, why?
If you see this from an international perspective, it's causing huge problems for America's soft power. Corporate America is behaving just like Putin's oligarchs. When you've got stuffed ballot boxes and major corporations behaving like oligarchs to squelch free speech--even among elected leaders who are performing their constitutional duties--you cannot sell "Truth, Justice and the American way" overseas. American exceptionalism is a casualty here, because Pelosi et. al. cannot contain their rage. In fact, Merkel, Obrador, and others have found Twitter's actions very troubling. Uganda just suspended Twitter, and Twitter went into a hissy fit about it being a human rights violation as if banning Trump wasn't, or conspiring to get Parler de-platformed wasn't. Turkey's government has ceased using WhatsApp.
Governments around the world are going to be passing legislation to prevent American CEOs from banning their political leaders or free political speech.
That's why Trump is better thought of as Nemesis. Again, for whatever reason, when they unjustifiably attack Trump, it's they themselves who get injured by it. I think the age of US social media having an effect in the domestic politics of foreign countries is going to come to a swift end.
Tainari88 wrote:You cut off the money to the ones who cling to Trump and they will just switch and say, --I defended democracy and denounced Trump.
Then, they will be voted out by the people who voted for them. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
Tainari88 wrote:I have seen my share of authoritarian caudillos in my Latin American political studies, but Trump had absolute lack of astuteness on the violent takeover scene.
Yes, but that's because they weren't trying to stage a coup, which is patently obvious. They were protesting ballot stuffing, which is their constitutional right to do.
"We have put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
-- Joe Biden