- 20 Jan 2021 18:26
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Strawman arguments again, putting words in my mouth that I never said. I do not want these publications to do anything of the sort or ignore anybody. I have made no judgement calls either way. You have made several.
Your ridiculous claim that Navalny is a "western media star" that "western media is cheerleading for" is absolutely false.
You were wrong, digest it and move along. But of course you never implied anything by it, your B&W troll narrative had no purpose or cause! No of course not.
If you believe that a country with an economy the size of Italy can control "the west", be my guest.
Please do not engage in insults and ad-homs again. Focus on the arguments if you can:
Evidently "western interests" are not monolithic as evidenced by several western states doing their own thing in all these things, quite unlike the black and white narratives that trolls in here are pushing forward.
The fact that Europe has gone out of her own way to prop up Putin with a pipeline that goes against European interests and by tacitly supporting Putin in Syria, Ukraine and Georgia by refusing to put any substantial sanctions on Russia says quite a lot indeed. Putin has been provided victories in all theatres he has challenged "the west" with western blessings and western media focusing more on the US than on Russia. While he commands a state with an economy the size of Italy.
Putin has imprisoned everybody who may challenge him and not a single peep is heard in western media who are far more likely to describe Navalny as nationalist than Putin. As I explained to you, it is because of "the devil we know and control" while Navalny is a jump into the unknown that as you yourself said "could get out of control because he's a nationalist".
Do you regret your own statements or have you forgotten them already?
Heisenberg wrote:Did the editorials I shared with you from this week express support for Navalny or not?
Were the articles you used as evidence that Navalny is supposedly demonised by the Putin-loving western media (an utterly absurd concept on its face, but you really want to run with this) recent, or old? And yes, since you're having trouble: honest publications couldn't really ignore his nationalist and far-right connections, as you seem to want them to do. The fact they mention these connections doesn't stop them continuing to advance the idea that Navalny is a "Russian hero", who "needs our backing", as the recent editorials show. Of all of them, the only one that I would say comes to a definitively negative conclusion on Navalny is the Jacobin piece.
Strawman arguments again, putting words in my mouth that I never said. I do not want these publications to do anything of the sort or ignore anybody. I have made no judgement calls either way. You have made several.
Your ridiculous claim that Navalny is a "western media star" that "western media is cheerleading for" is absolutely false.
You were wrong, digest it and move along. But of course you never implied anything by it, your B&W troll narrative had no purpose or cause! No of course not.
Heisenberg wrote:Wait, is Europe controlling Putin, or is Putin controlling Europe? I'm losing track.
absolutely comical.
If you believe that a country with an economy the size of Italy can control "the west", be my guest.
Please do not engage in insults and ad-homs again. Focus on the arguments if you can:
Evidently "western interests" are not monolithic as evidenced by several western states doing their own thing in all these things, quite unlike the black and white narratives that trolls in here are pushing forward.
The fact that Europe has gone out of her own way to prop up Putin with a pipeline that goes against European interests and by tacitly supporting Putin in Syria, Ukraine and Georgia by refusing to put any substantial sanctions on Russia says quite a lot indeed. Putin has been provided victories in all theatres he has challenged "the west" with western blessings and western media focusing more on the US than on Russia. While he commands a state with an economy the size of Italy.
Putin has imprisoned everybody who may challenge him and not a single peep is heard in western media who are far more likely to describe Navalny as nationalist than Putin. As I explained to you, it is because of "the devil we know and control" while Navalny is a jump into the unknown that as you yourself said "could get out of control because he's a nationalist".
Do you regret your own statements or have you forgotten them already?
EN EL ED EM ON
...take your common sense with you, and leave your prejudices behind...
...take your common sense with you, and leave your prejudices behind...