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Might as well be at this point, nobody else engages with it.
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Beren wrote:Is this supposed to be a blog?
Wellsy wrote:I wonder why America doesn’t have a labour or workers party that remains prominent even if it were a coopted one like the labour parties in Australia and the UK.
B0ycey wrote:I think the problem with America, is there system only favors a two party system @Wellsy. The same is true for the UK as well I guess, but a marginal MP seat is significantly more easier to gain for a fringe party than an entire state. Which is why we have an array of different parties, including Labour. Although I will say UK Labour isn't the same party since new Labour became a thing.
So is there hope for America? Not really. Or not yet anyway. The lobbyists have their fingers in the system and super delegates manipulate movements that are growing. The only way you can break this is to back someone like Sanders and put all effort behind that candidate specifically. Or in laymen, you need a Socialist reformer to infiltrate a party and get the nomination in one of the main parties rather than create a US Labour party.
Steve_American wrote:IMHO, the only non-violent solution is for the progressives and workers of America to go out into the street like the Black Lives Matter people did.
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B0ycey wrote:I think the problem with America, is there system only favors a two party system @Wellsy. The same is true for the UK as well I guess, but a marginal MP seat is significantly more easier to gain for a fringe party than an entire state. Which is why we have an array of different parties, including Labour. Although I will say UK Labour isn't the same party since new Labour became a thing.
So is there hope for America? Not really. Or not yet anyway. The lobbyists have their fingers in the system and super delegates manipulate movements that are growing. The only way you can break this is to back someone like Sanders and put all effort behind that candidate specifically. Or in laymen, you need a Socialist reformer to infiltrate a party and get the nomination in one of the main parties rather than create a US Labour party.
wat0n wrote:I think that's only one side of the coin. The US even back in the 19th century didn't have nearly as many revolutionary workers' unions as Europe did at the time, as far as I'm aware.
B0ycey wrote:I certainly agree with most of your post and I don't disagree the solution is to go on the streets and protest eventually. But America is a divided nation and the problems of the system are blamed by the wrong people currently. If the progressives (Democrats) went onto the streets and protested and caused destruction now, the moderates would then side with the extremists views and you will get Trump or someone like him in power next term. I guess the only solution is education. Explain why America needs a radical reform. Socialism is growing in America slowly due to people understanding the situation better and every election cycle we see, more people start backing Sanders given the younger the voter, the more 'Lefty' his view. If the movement can grow to the point that is is the consensus of a significant portion of the US population, that is the time to protest like in every revolution in history as that is the concesus of the voter. Today, I don't think Socialism is even the majority thought in America so any form of protest now won't convince anyone.
Political Interest wrote:They had the chance to pick Corbyn but they rejected him for various reasons, notably that he was middle class.
Rancid wrote:Side note: Did you know that it is in Amazon's business plan/strategy to churn through warehouse workers? That is to say, Amazon is not interested in employee retention, they expect and want their workers to work for them for no more than about two years. The idea being, Amazon churns through the population of desperate workers to save money since few people stay long enough to get raises and promotions. On the surface it sounds unsustainable, but what they do in parallel to this is invest in automation so that the number of people they have to churn through shrinks as they churn through the population.
B0ycey wrote:
Amazon UK are having to pay people a signing in fee just to work there. And their wages here are actually exceptional for warehouse working so if Americans are getting fucked over by Bezos, then they need to see what is happening in the UK right now. And high turn out isn't much good if people can't buy the stuff Amazon sells in any case. But really it is up to people to work out what is happening right now and act accordingly. And perhaps they are starting to smell the coffee by not accepting BS wages and shit conditions. I had a thread the other month about McDonald's hiring 14 year olds rather than actually addressing their pay and conditions and I was greeted with, yeah hiring kids is good and Maccies workers don't deserve good pay because the job is low skilled blah blah blah, rather than people saying, yeah McDonald's shouldn't be fleecing their workers and address why they aren't attracting new staff rather than looking for loopholes for their labor shortages and actually if the job doesn't appeal to people, then that alone is worthy of a pay rise despite the skill level. So perhaps Americans are the own worse enemy by looking for excuses than seeing the elephant in the room. So perhaps you guys aren't ready for labor movements which is why they don't exist as you say. Or maybe some of America are, the Blue states as I do see movements occurring in the youth age bracket in America, the blogs, the movements, the voice etc and unions gaining traction. But like the UK it seems to be a generation at best away. But unlike the UK, the Tories despite their sins do strive for a high skilled, high wage economy and I noticed minimum wage went up again in the last budget which is witchcraft in America to even suggest a $15 minimum wage.
Rancid wrote:What American worker is going to go study what is happening in the UK though?
B0ycey wrote:high wage economy
ingliz wrote:So much for your high-wage economy.
B0ycey wrote:a weeks wage today
ingliz wrote:Are you being paid over £7,000 a week or just mathematically challenged?
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