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#15150791
Hellas me ponas wrote:Turkey is the last country in the region to resist being a total European puppet.

Germany is just playing the longterm game with both sides.


Turkey has invaded Armenia, Syria, Libya, and has openly and officially declared war to Greece.

The EU is a puppet to Putin and Erdogan because of Russian and Azerbaijani gas, officially paying Turkey tribute to subsidise her military adventures under the cover of "refugees" when Turkey is the only active war player in Syria.

That is why the EU has stood back while Turkey and Russia have invaded, all the countries surrounding her borders.

Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Georgia and Armenia while the EU not only has done absolutely nothing about it but is actively arming Turkey and tacitly supporting both Russia and Turkey by preventing any substantial sanctions against them.

Hellas me ponas wrote:I got family on secret services I think if that happened I'd learn it before it even reaches the channels


You mean you have family in the Turkish secret services?

Turkey's cassus belli(declaration of war) against Greece.
#15150797
Speak english, and answer the questions asked of you.

This is an official declaration of war to prevent Greece from exercising sovereignty over her own borders.

Greece's and consequently the EU's official territorial borders extend to 12 nautical miles from her shores.

Turkey is also openly claiming the sea territory between 2 opposing Greek shores, .ie Chios and Athens and also claims territory south of Crete.
#15150862
Turkey has already declared a cassus belli(a declaration of war) against Greece.

Why do you believe that someone can be friends with a country that is declaring war and not recognising the sovereign territory of its "friend"? What kind of friendship would that be?
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noemon wrote:Turkey has already declared a cassus belli(a declaration of war) against Greece.

Why do you believe that someone can be friends with a country that is declaring war and not recognising the sovereign territory of its "friend"? What kind of friendship would that be?

We are making "allies" with the Germans...
I hope that answered your question..
#15151733
noemon wrote:Turkey has already declared a cassus belli(a declaration of war) against Greece.

Why do you believe that someone can be friends with a country that is declaring war and not recognising the sovereign territory of its "friend"? What kind of friendship would that be?


In Central Europe they would find a compromise. Turks have excellent drilling technology, and greek the reserve, they should share it. But in Balkan we have blood revange and never forget history :(
#15151741
Sandzak wrote:In Central Europe they would find a compromise. Turks have excellent drilling technology, and greek the reserve, they should share it. But in Balkan we have blood revange and never forget history :(


Nothing stopped Turkish companies from making bids to develop these fields, but Turks do not even recognise the areas as Greek and as such Turkish companies did not make bids to develop them. Turkish companies are not prevented from investing in Greece, they still are and have always been welcome to.

In addition, Turkey does not actually have any technology for drilling, she has bought these tools from European companies second hand.
#15153039
noemon wrote:Nothing stopped Turkish companies from making bids to develop these fields, but Turks do not even recognise the areas as Greek and as such Turkish companies did not make bids to develop them. Turkish companies are not prevented from investing in Greece, they still are and have always been welcome to.

In addition, Turkey does not actually have any technology for drilling, she has bought these tools from European companies second hand.



It is a complicated legal issue for international law.



This is the turkish viewpoint

Non-Balkan nations would find a compromise or go to an international court

Both parties signed different international treaties, so no neutral judge can say which treaty counts more
#15153072
Sandzak wrote:It is a complicated legal issue for international law.

This is the turkish viewpoint


That the issue is "complicated" is indeed Turkish propaganda.

Turkey has made a declaration of war(cassus belli) against Greece. That is because she does not recognise Greece's international right to 12nm of territorial waters. That Turkey is not a signatory to the UN Law of the Sea does not concern Greece or other parties and does not grant Turkey any rights in foreign territories.

Sandzak wrote:Non-Balkan nations would find a compromise or go to an international court


Not 'Balkan', Turkey in particular.

Greece has sorted out the issues with her Balkan neighbours, North Macedonia & Bulgaria. With Albania, Greece will go to an international court for the same thing. Greece has made the same offer to Turkey. Let's go to the Hague and the Judges will decide.

Sandzak wrote:Both parties signed different international treaties, so no neutral judge can say which treaty counts more


:lol:

Bob Menendez-Senate President US Foreign Relations Commitee wrote:Only Turkey is disputing Greek territorial waters


Can you explain in any terms, how is Turkey claiming Greek waters between Athens and Chios.
Between opposing Greek shores?
#15153099
Sandzak wrote:In Central Europe they would find a compromise. Turks have excellent drilling technology, and greek the reserve, they should share it. But in Balkan we have blood revange and never forget history :(

The origin of recent spat go back to the coup attempt of 2016. There are many traitors, after failed to succeed the coup, defected to European countries. Turkey demanded extradition of them. Some countries refuse to do that. Greece is one of them. Greece host many PKK militants and failed junta militants.

I believe that Greece's days are numbered. Greece now has no friends backing him in European Union. Turkey's succsefful diplomatic attempts allinated him. Surrounding the enemy with diplomatic channels is an old Ottoman tactic. Turkey used it during Cold War times either. That is how Turkey balanced its relationship with Soviets and America. Now I see it still works on European Union and Russia and America. It is safe to say that diplomacy and duality is the Turkish way. Greeks know these very well. It is the reason why they are so frightinated. We may come for them in midnight. ;)



Hope the issues will be solved in peace without Turkey flexing its muscles like this. ^ ;)

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