[Rancid]

It is better to have two snakes at each others throats for the third unaligned group to sneak away and start thinking about how to escape....hee hee hee. See, Che Guevara's take about the Cold War to understand what I am talking about Rancid.

The Chinese are human beings. Just like you and me. Lol. And your wife. And they vary. Some are Commies some are socialists, some are capitalists and some are liberals. And they got to fight it out Rancid just like all of us.

I am not naive Rancid. You need to realize? This is not about caring it is about politics. And again for me politics should be about justice. If it is not about justice and it is about greed and lies and bullshit? War is the end result. And if you think war is sustainable? History says otherwise. My perspective is always going to be treating all humans with equality and respect and seeking justice through political negotiations. If you can't do that?

Why even bother with politics? I would not. It means human beings are a lost cause and give up the fight. Let us all blow each other up to kingdom come with Nukes. And kiss the Earth goodbye. Why live in a world where all we are to each other are pieces of meat with no worth or dignity or respect given for being human?

I don't want to live in that kind of world? Do you? Most governments want to negotiate deals. So having them compete for a better deal for your own nation is best. No?

What do you think Rancid?

Ok, I understand your position better. What do I think? Your position isn't unreasonable, it makes sense. However, I strongly doubt it will play out the way you wish. It's not really going to be about China and the US/EU/whatever competing for a sweet heart deal with Latin America. My evidence? Take a look at what China has been doing in its region lately. See Sri Lanka, see the Maldives, see Africa thus far. Their dealings there aren't much different from the US/EU/whoever (exploit local populations, install/manipulate governments). Why should we believe it will be better for Latin America based on this?

I'd rather just not have any snakes fighting at all. In fact, the correct analogy isn't snakes fighting. It's more like Ragnarök. Where the global is a giant ass royal rumble for the big powers, and all the little guys are going to get clobbered in the process (intentionally or unintentionally, doesn't matter). I just don't think the right answer is to support China in having its turn at colonialism, or debt trap diplomacy, etc. They have already shown their cards, and they are not good.

[Tainari88]

I like the last few posts. Interesting. The only thing I have to add is that I think Tainari's outlook on China's impact to the globe and to Latin America is very naive. China don't give a fuck about no one, not even their own people (see Hong Kong and Uyghirs)

I hope the Chinese politicians who do that shit to the Uyghirs get kicked in the ass well. And mass problems. They deserve it. Again though it is going to be a fight with the Uyghirs for sure. If the Americans were consistent with their 'human rights' violation bullshit they would impose sanctions on the Chinese. But the American Capitalists are salivating over the money to be made in the Billion plus Chinese market and don't give a shit about human rights violations.

Cuba is worse than UAE and China in human rights violations? The Bearded Castro cuco is dead. Yet somehow Cuba is worse than the Chinese. They are rounding up Haitians in Cuba and torturing them right? No. But somehow the UAE and the PRC are ok to do business with but this woman in the video is living in worse horror than an Uyghir in the PRC. Estan pendejos con eso Rancid. It is about GREED not human rights. That is the American policy. Hypocrites @Rancid don't you see the damn hypocrisy? I do.

She has to buy Brazilian shampoo with dollars and get up at 5am to buy some shit but she forgot to activate her debit card and had to leave her shopping. They separated it and she has to come back when the card is activated. The horror. She is a minority group being tortured in camps like in the PRC. But the USA does business with the PRC. Why? Because the USA capitalists sold out to GREED. Everything. I don't respect those kind of mamalon hipocritas. Do you?

[Rancid]

Hypocrites @Rancid don't you see the damn hypocrisy? I do.

I do, but as they say. two wrongs don't make a right, and there are certainly degrees of wrongness/evils/etc in the world. My point is, we cannot fight the evils of one nation (say the US), by turning a blind eye to (or supporting as many pofoers do) the evils of any other nation (say China). It all has to be dealt with at the same time, basically.

[Tainari88]

Ok, I understand your position better. What do I think? Your position isn't unreasonable, it makes sense. However, I strongly doubt it will play out the way you wish. It's not really going to be about China and the US/EU/whatever competing for a sweet heart deal with Latin America. My evidence? Take a look at what China has been doing in its region lately. See Sri Lanka, see the Maldives, see Africa thus far. Their dealings there aren't much different from the US/EU/whoever (exploit local populations, install/manipulate governments). Why should we believe it will be better for Latin America based on this?

I'd rather just not have any snakes fighting at all. In fact, the correct analogy isn't snakes fighting. It's more like Ragnarök. Where the global is a giant ass royal rumble for the big powers, and all the little guys are going to get clobbered in the process (intentionally or unintentionally, doesn't matter). I just don't think the right answer is to support China in having its turn at colonialism, or debt trap diplomacy, etc. They have already shown their cards, and they are not good.

Well, this is what I think Rancid, in the end every nation has to negotiate with others for something reasonable. In the future you will have climate change, natural disasters etc.

Let us take the recent issues with Texas (your home state), where there was unseasonably cold weather. The lack of regulation in Texas for the gas and coal industries and because of that they did not really conform to regulations that would have been keeping them from failure. It is greed. Plain and simple and the notion that the conservative elements have of government regulation is bad. They keep that as some kind of mantra the assholes.

So if you don't keep the corporations under control they start dictating public policy. They get to determine what happens. It is private industry really paying off politicians for government controls to be scrapped or changed to favor them.

The Chinese are never going for that at all. They will have the government dictate to the corporations. Why? Because capitalism with a Communist theory base (no matter how oppressive doesn't think that letting the Capitalist monopolies run amuck is a good idea. They prefer state capitalism. Let the state make money and have the capitalists beg for a piece of the pie. Then you got the Communist Party as the only legit party making all the decisions. It is efficient just like all authoritarian governments are. The Liberals and the Conservatives in the Republican and Democratic parties are kind of a Duopoly. The same party with some variants that are now so incredibly divisive that it is basically grid lock for the rest of the country.

Each nation is going to work the system the way they think it benefits the ones running the show.

How did the PRC change? It studied why the USA was prosperous. It adapted itself to a prosperous capitalist model but it put the STATE as the beneficiary and not private billionaires who then in turn corrupted the public government authority. It is their take on capitalist development.

China has grown and it has become this nation of growing middle classes. People who are climbing and gaining in wealth and influence consistently Rancid don't want to shake the system that feeds them. It is the same as the American capitalist class post WWII.

Think strategically Rancid. What could create problems for the Chinese and what could create problems for the Americans?

You listen to the most successful members of both systems. You compare what they say? You figure out their strategies.

And you realize where you fit in that puzzle eh?

I don't go for mysteries as many will know by now on PoFo but I do go for predictions of trends and tendencies.

China will be pressured to keep the growth going because if it stagnates for a long time due to lack of flexibility in meeting their own people's needs? Eventually they will get push back from their citizenry. That is universal. Some things are universal.

I love watching Mexicans fighting it out and talking about the defects of their own national interests. All nations do that. The important thing to remember about human beings is to never lose the perspective that all governments will have defects and virtues. And the intelligent diplomats and leaders will know how to combine the virtues and defects of each one of the national characters and cultural matrix of each one of them and make attractive and complementary deals between them.

Never underestimate the power of love and attraction between various cultures Rancid. Who would have thought a Chinese American young lady in Miami would fall in love with a Dominican American young man? She did. And you did. Why? Because the human connection is not about race or national origin Rancid. It is about sharing experiences and life together and finding some beauty and joy in being together. Regardless of differences.

I believe in that story. It is very American by the way. But the ones who are racists don't see it that way. Son idiotas.

Lol.

Connection on a human level conquers all. That is what I believe in. And always will.

[Rancid]

The Chinese are never going for that at all.

You sure about that? There's all sorts of shitty construction in China. That covid hotel collapse is the easy one that comes to mind. They have a history of building collapse, the Chinese government most certainly lets that happen. There have been Dams with issues. The three gorges dam got all swollen up and shit. Reports of building collapse happen often, especially when heavy rains roll around.

Disasters happen of course, but my point is Communist China isn't some sort of wonderland where everything is perfect because of the government. The government does have its failures. Perhaps you haven't paid attention to their news much (my wife does). Then again, it's also hard to get reliable news from there given how they control that too (not good either).

Also, the CCP isn't interested in having other nations emulate its own style of government (which isn't even communist). That is China's advantage, that no one is willing to stood down to their level. It's a gutter government.

You should not be looking at them for socialist inspiration.

[Tainari88]

You sure about that? There's all sorts of shitty construction in China. That covid hotel collapse is the easy one that comes to mind. They have a history of building collapse, the Chinese government most certainly lets that happen. There have been Dams with issues. The three gorges dam got all swollen up and shit. Reports of building collapse happen often, especially when heavy rains roll around.

Disasters happen of course, but my point is Communist China isn't some sort of wonderland where everything is perfect because of the government. The government does have its failures. Perhaps you haven't paid attention to their news much (my wife does). Then again, it's also hard to get reliable news from there given how they control that too (not good either).

Also, the CCP isn't interested in having other nations emulate its own style of government (which isn't even communist). That is China's advantage, that no one is willing to stood down to their level. It's a gutter government.

You should not be looking at them for socialist inspiration.

Rancid this is not about socialist inspiration. This is about governments vying for control of resources and access to markets. Mexico is a huge market. It is 130 million people. Mexico has shitty wages of the worst kind.

Puerto Rico? It has massive unemployment. At one point in time it was 80% unemployment. No running water for a year in many cities in the Cordillera central. Whitefish engergy and American shit corruption. It is bad in capitalism.

And under the USA's watch as well. The problem is this one Rancid--people RUN from exploitation. They go to where there is less of it going around. What is the world's solution to musical chairs in immigration? How do people stay put SAFELY in their own nation? By all of the world moving to Yankeeland and picking a state to live in? No. That is not the solution.

It never will be Rancid. What needs to happen is improvement and cooperation. Between nations. And it has to be about honest dealings, respect and standards. Americans are used to dictating and American corporations too and bankers are. Everything is changing. Cryptocurrency, Asian corporations run by governments in Asia. African enterprises, Latin American ones, etc etc.

Energy sources that are evolving. All of the world is changing.

That reminds me Rancid what do you think of Kandi the electric cheap ass car produced in the PRC? They want to open a factory of them in Mexico and sell it to the Mexicans. It is supposedly the same price as a Nissan March?

The Mexicans are going to be producing that car.
Why? The American capitalists don't want to do it. They should. They won't. Greed and stupidity. It is going to kill them with the markets. ANd they can't blame others for that. It is their own problem.
I have no illusions about a nation who follows Trump? You like that kind of America Rancid? I never will.

If the Americans wind up paying better wages and start respecting working class people's rights in the economic front, social front and legal front, etc. and because they fear the repercussions of some state capitalist nasty Commie government that is not Commie but really a capitalist front with Chinese historical and cultural characteristics? You are going to wind up with clashes. You are going to get all kinds of options dealing with clashing models. That is reality Rancid. And it is the future. BTW @Rancid and @Potemkin I kind of like "Thalia" the Mexican electric car. If a Mexican is designing it? I expect it to be cool and pretty!

Hee hee.
https://fronterasdesk.org/content/10903 ... components.


BTW, Mexican engineers are pretty good. And also not well paid either.

[Tainari88]

You sure about that? There's all sorts of shitty construction in China. That covid hotel collapse is the easy one that comes to mind. They have a history of building collapse, the Chinese government most certainly lets that happen. There have been Dams with issues. The three gorges dam got all swollen up and shit. Reports of building collapse happen often, especially when heavy rains roll around.

Disasters happen of course, but my point is Communist China isn't some sort of wonderland where everything is perfect because of the government. The government does have its failures. Perhaps you haven't paid attention to their news much (my wife does). Then again, it's also hard to get reliable news from there given how they control that too (not good either).

Also, the CCP isn't interested in having other nations emulate its own style of government (which isn't even communist). That is China's advantage, that no one is willing to stood down to their level. It's a gutter government.

You should not be looking at them for socialist inspiration.

You got climate change deniers in the Republican party by the boatload. They all don't believe in pollution control.

That is greed in the profit mentality.

But they also filter in to the Green party too. The truth is the greed factor is everywhere.

Somehow you have way too much faith in American bullshit Rancid. I never had it.

Somehow knowing that it is about ripoff schemes and hypocrisy? It doesn't convince me Rancid.

That is why I am a socialist. I really don't like capitalism. I never did. I never will and that is the truth.

For BJ and the ones who believe in freedom under capitalism? No it is freedom for the wealthy and the people making money in the tech industry. It means NOTHING to a Mexican making $2 dollars an hour in wages and not making end's meet with Covid. Guess who I think is worth fighting for? You guessed it. The guy or woman making $2 an hour in Mexico.

Not the well off guy in Walnut Creek saying my political philosophy is shit and about imprisonment. No, his philosophy in politics is about prison and horror. For the Blacks in the USA and the Latinos too. I will NEVER agree with BJ about socialism and about what it represents. For him it is oppression. For me? His sort of nationalistic capitalism and his hiarchy of white people with the right GENES? Will never convince me as being about freedom.

The Trump supporters are angry and looking for a scapegoat.

And it will be the socialists, the Communists that don't really have large numbers in the USA and are all infiltrated with FBI agents and the Left that they think exists in the USA when what they have are a bunch of boring and predictable and bloated with money sellouts to the corporations from the Liberal RANKS who are more conservative than the average semi fascist in Europe.

Well, that is that!

[jimjam]

It is about GREED

Greed knows no border or nationality but ……. it seems ……. America is the all time best at this dark art.

My personal "theory" about the future of the human race is deceptively simple ………… if the combination of greed and the population bomb does not make humans extinct, it will, at "best" turn life on this planet from what could have been, with compassionate and intelligent management, a paradise into a hell on earth. I have eleven step grandchildren and when I look into their pure and innocent eyes ……. I fear for what they will encounter after I am gone and I am very sad.



Trump is nothing more than a pimple but ………… he epitomizes all that we humans are doing wrong ……….

[Tainari88]

Greed knows no border or nationality but ……. it seems ……. America is the all time best at this dark art.

My personal "theory" about the future of the human race is deceptively simple ………… if the combination of greed and the population bomb does not make humans extinct, it will, at "best" turn life on this planet from what could have been, with compassionate and intelligent management, a paradise into a hell on earth. I have eleven step grandchildren and when I look into their pure and innocent eyes ……. I fear for what they will encounter after I am gone and I am very sad.




Trump is nothing more than a pimple but ………… he epitomizes all that we humans are doing wrong ……….

You know Jimjam I have a very young son that I love more than life itself. And I want a decent future for him. So I look for hope in all things. And if you look for it? You find it.

I worried about potable water in the future. There are many things that can happen that humans can adopt and the water issue may be solvable.

There are many programs on how to go about cleaning up the toxicity in the Earth. And it can be solvable.

There is hope for all of us. But the key to that hope is changing that greed mentality and the selfish stuff. That will spell the end for the human race if the value system based on naked greed and being selfish and thoughtless and disrespectful to other humans and to the Earth is not changed.

It is really having to be responsible for what happens in our own lives and in our neighbors lives. And stop making excuses for greedy people and selfish people. Holding them accountable and ourselves accountable. In other words growing up as a species. The teenage years are drawing to the close. For the Homo Sapiens.