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The watchdogs of imperialism and the Uyghur genocide slander
On February 26 the Canadian Parliament passed a motion, by a vote of 226 to 0, expressing the opinion that “the People’s Republic of China has” implemented “measures intended to prevent” Uyghur and other Turkic Muslim births and that these measures are “consistent with” the United Nations Genocide Convention.

The reality is that Beijing is not preventing Uyghur and other Turkic Muslim births, and a report by a German anthropologist widely cited as evidence that it is, contradicts this claim. That report, by Adrian Zenz, a fellow at a US government-created foundation whose mission is to bring about the end of communism and the Chinese Communist Party, reveals that while Chinese family planning policy restricts the number of children Chinese couples are allowed to have, it does not prevent couples in any group, including Uyghurs and other Turkic Muslims, from bearing children. Moreover, limits on family size are the same between the Han Chinese ethnic majority and religious minorities. There is, therefore, no discrimination in Chinese family planning policy on the basis of national, religious, or ethnic affiliation.

Perhaps aware their position was untenable, the parliamentarians sought to buttress their motion by citing political opinion in the United States, where “it has been the position of two consecutive administrations that Uyghur and other Turkic Muslims are being subjected to a genocide by the Government of the People’s Republic of China,” the motion observed. In an act of unseemly subservience to imperial power, Canada’s parliament constructed a motion, based on no evidence, to echo a point of view articulated in Washington, also based on no evidence.

Significantly, the last two consecutive administrations have designated China a rival, and therefore have politically-motivated reasons for slandering their challenger. Moreover, apart from using the hyper-aggressive US military to extort economic and strategic concessions from other countries, US administrations have a long record of fabrication to justify their aggressive actions. That “two consecutive administrations” have held that the Chinese are carrying out a genocide is evidence of nothing more than Washington continuing to operate in its accustomed fashion of churning out lies about states that refuse to be integrated into the US economic, military and political orbit. A Serb-orchestrated genocide against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo; hidden weapons of mass destruction in Iraq; moderate rebels in Syria: these are only the tip of the iceberg of US lies and calumnies offered as pretexts for imperial aggression. Genocide in Xinjiang is but the latest.

Below, I look at the genocide slander from four perspectives:

The geostrategic context.
Who is behind the accusation?
How do the accusers define genocide?
What is the evidence?

The geostrategic context
In 2003, Graham E. Fuller, a former vice-chair of the US National Intelligence Estimate and one-time CIA station chief in Kabul, wrote a book for the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Study at the Johns Hopkins University, titled The Xinjiang Problem. His co-author was the academic S. Frederick Starr.

Fuller and Starr wrote that:

“the historical record suggests that the decision of countries and even of international organizations to raise specific human rights issues is often politicized and highly selective. Many countries will devote attention to human rights issues in China in inverse proportion to the quality of their overall bilateral relationship.“

It need not be said that today, 18 years later, the quality of overall bilateral relations between the United States and China has deteriorated sharply. China has emerged as a formidable competitor to US economic and technological supremacy, and US policy has shifted, beginning with the Obama administration, toward an explicit program of eclipsing China’s rise.

In recent days, US president Joe Biden has said “American leadership must meet … the growing ambitions of China to rival the United States.” The Wall Street Journal reports that Biden’s “goal is to stay ahead of China in semiconductors, artificial intelligence and other advances that are expected to define the economy and military of the future.” However, the US president, according to the newspaper, intends to portray the conflict as one based on “a clash of values: democracy vs. autocracy,” rather than a clash of economic interests.

At the base of a deteriorating Sino-US relationship, then, lies a commercial rivalry, on top of which Washington has layered a narrative about a clash of values. In a Foreign Affairs article written before he became president, Biden outlined a strategy of confronting China over the economic challenges it poses to US businesses, US domination of the industries of tomorrow, and US technological (and concomitant military) supremacy. Biden said he would use a human rights narrative to rally support for a US-led campaign against China.

Fuller and Starr continued: “It would be unrealistic,” they wrote, “ to rule out categorically American willingness to play the ‘Uyghur card’ as a means of exerting pressure on China in the event of some future crisis or confrontation.” Many “of China’s rivals have in the past pursued active policies in Xinjiang and exploited the Uyghur issue for their benefit.” Almost two decades later, with US hostility rising as Washington’s claim to primacy on the world stage is under challenge, the United States has decided to play the Uyghur card.

Who is behind the accusations?
A network of groups and individuals, animated by an antagonism to the Chinese Communist Party, and supportive of continued US global supremacy, are involved in originating the slanders against Beijing. At the center is the German anthropologist, Adrian Zenz.

Zenz’s opposition to Beijing lies in his religious beliefs. A fundamentalist Christian, he views communism, feminism and homosexuality, as abominations against God. Zenz also believes that he is on a divinely-inspired mission to bring about the demise of communist rule in China.

Zenz is a senior fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation. The foundation, created by the US government to discredit an ideology which competes against the United States’ first favorite religion, US state-capitalism (Christianity being the second) seeks to free the world “from the false hope of Marxism” and save it from “the tyranny of communism” (the leitmotif of Hitler’s political career.) This it strives to do by educating future generations that “Marxist socialism is the deadliest ideology in history,” (one that, by this view, is fully capable of carrying out a genocide), a task the foundation sees as especially pressing today, when “Positive attitudes toward communism and socialism are at an all-time high in the United States.”

Zenz has also written anti-Beijing reports for the Jamestown Foundation, an anti-Communist outfit supported by corporations, foundations, and wealthy individuals, whose mission is to shape public opinion against China and North Korea.

The slanderers also include a number of Uyghur exile groups, including the World Uyghur Congress, funded by the National Endowment for Democracy. The NED is a US government-bankrolled organization whose first president conceded that it does overtly what the CIA used to do covertly, namely destabilize foreign governments by strengthening fifth columns. The NED does so under the cover of promoting democracy and human rights. The organization has boasted on Twitter that it has been funding fifth columnists in Xinjiang since 2004.

Another propagator of anti-Beijing slanders is the Epoch Times, the newspaper of the Falun Gong. Like Zenz, the roots of Falun Gong’s anti-Beijing animus lie in reactionary religious convictions. The cult deplores gender equality, homosexuality, and communism as affronts against God.

How do the accusers define genocide?
Those who accuse Beijing of carrying out a genocide employ a ruse regularly used in the corporate world to dupe consumers and employees. The subterfuge is to redefine a word to mean something other than what the word would be reasonably interpreted to mean.

Former US secretary of state Mike Pompeo used this ruse. He accused Beijing of trying to integrate Xinjiang and its Turkic people into the larger Chinese society. While this did not meet the definition of genocide, Pompeo labelled Beijing’s actions as genocide all the same. According to the magazine Foreign Policy, State Department lawyers told Pompeo that Beijing’s actions in Xinjiang did not satisfy the UN convention’s definition of genocide. Pompeo, who has no respect for the truth, much less the contrary opinions of government lawyers, was undeterred.

The current US secretary of state Anthony Blinken also accused Beijing of genocide. Using the same ruse, Blinken pointed to non-genocidal actions, namely one million Uyghurs in ‘concentration camps’, to make the claim that Beijing was trying to destroy a Muslim minority. The claim was a double deception. First, there are no Uyghur concentration camps in Xinjiang, and second, even if there were, concentration camps do not equal genocide. Blinken was likely trying to exploit the association of the Holocaust with German death camps to insinuate that concentration camps and genocide go together, like the artic and snow, and that the Chinese government, and its Communist Party, are contemporary expressions of Nazi horror.

The source of the concentration camp allegation is yet another of Beijing’s political foes, an Islamist media outlet run by Uyghur separatists in Turkey, which serves as a platform for the East Turkistan Islamic Movement, an al-Qaeda affiliated jihadist outfit which seeks to transform Xinjiang into an Islamic State. ETIM is considered a terrorist organization by the United Nations, the European Union, and the United States—or was considered a terrorist organization by the United States until Pompeo removed the group from the US terrorism list in October, thereby eliminating an impediment that had limited the contribution the jihadists could make to the US project of destabilizing Xinjiang, propagating calumnies about the Chinese government, and ultimately undermining China’s ability to compete with US businesses on the world stage.

In July of last year, Zenz wrote a paper for the Jamestown Foundation on Uyghur birthrates, which appears to be the basis for the claim cited by Canadian parliamentarians that China is carrying out a genocide in Xinjiang. Zenz’s report raised the question of genocide only in its final sentence, and then only tentatively. It was, instead, the Jamestown Foundation editor, John Dotson, a former US naval officer and US Congressional staff researcher, who concluded in an introductory note that “Zenz presents a compelling case that the CCP party-state apparatus in Xinjiang is engaged in severe human rights violations that meet the criteria for genocide as defined by the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.” Zenz, however, concluded only that Chinese policies “might be characterized” as constituting “a demographic campaign of genocide per” the UN convention. To be sure, any policy might be characterized in any particular way one wants, but the ad rem question isn’t, can policy x be characterized as y, but is it y? Zenz, unlike Dotson, was not prepared to say that Chinese birth control policy constitutes genocide. And there’s a good reason for this; it clearly doesn’t.

Zenz’s paper was a political tract erected on the foundations of a report on Beijing’s family planning policies and their effects on Uyghur and Han birthrates in Xinjiang. What the report showed, notwithstanding Dotson’s politically-motivated misinterpretation, was that:

Previously, Han Chinese couples were limited to one child, while Uyghur couples were allowed two in urban areas, and three in rural areas. Family planning restrictions were not rigidly enforced on Uyghur couples.
Today, Han Chinese couples are permitted to have as many children as Uyghur couples are permitted (two children in urban areas, and three in rural areas.)
Family planning restrictions are now rigidly enforced.
The change from lax to rigid enforcement has been accompanied by a decrease in the Uyghur birth rate.

Zenz’s report showed that the Uyghur population continued to grow, despite enforcement of family planning policies; Uyghur couples are not prevented from having children, (they’re only limited in the number of children they can have); and family planning rules apply equally to Han Chinese.

Article II of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, reads as follows:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The relevant consideration is the fourth item, namely, imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. Chinese family planning policy does not prevent births within the Uyghur population; it only restricts them, and the restriction is non-discriminatory; it applies equally to all groups.

What is the evidence?
US State Department lawyers told Pompeo there is no evidence of genocide in Xinjiang. As we have seen, that didn’t stop Pompeo–who once boasted that as CIA director “we lied, cheated, and stole“– from making the accusation. He simply changed the definition of genocide, carrying on the US state tradition of fabricating lies to advance its interests.

Bob Rae, Canada’s representative to the UN, accused China of committing genocide, and then said efforts should be made to gather evidence to demonstrate this to be true.

John Ibbitson, a columnist with Canada’s Globe and Mail, conceded that Chinese government actions in Xinjiang do not meet the UN definition of genocide, but that Beijing is carrying out a genocide all the same.

The watchdogs of imperialism
The United States is waging an economic and information war on China, to preserve its economic, military, and technological supremacy. Washington is recruiting its citizens, its allies and their citizens, and the progressive community, into a campaign to protect the international dictatorship of the United States from the challenge posed by the peaceful rise of China. Every manner of slander has been hurled at China to galvanize popular opposition to Beijing and mobilize popular support for economic aggression and growing military intimidation against the People’s Republic, from accusations that Chinese officials concealed the spread of the coronavirus; to calumnies about Muslims being immured in concentration camps, subjected to forced labor, and targeted for genocide; that Beijing is violating the one state-two systems agreement in Hong Kong (when in fact it’s only implementing a security law to undergird the one state part of the accord) and that Beijing’s efforts to reunify the country by re-integrating a territory the US Seventh Fleet prevented it from reintegrating in 1950, are really acts of aggression against an independent country named Taiwan.

Progressive forces, from Democracy Now!, which has provided Adrian Zenz a platform to traduce Beijing, to the New Democratic and Green parties in Canada, which voted for the motion declaring a genocide is in progress in Xinjiang, collude in the campaign to protect and promote the profits of Western shareholders, investors, and bankers from the challenges posed by China’s rise. Lenin, who knew a thing or two about communism, international rivalries, and the perfidy of progressives, described the predecessors of today’s Democracy Nows, Greens, and New Democrats as the watchdogs of imperialism. His words echo through the corridors of time.
https://gowans.blog/2021/03/02/the-watc ... e-slander/


noemon wrote:A 2-minute propaganda video justifies the arbitrary detainment of Uyghur men & women for unspecified periods without committing a crime?


This video showed terrorism committed in China that was part of the cause of the re-education/de-radicalisation schools, which have since been closed. I thought you cared about Chinese people but I guess you're just dismissing the Chinese victims of terrorism here for some reason.

Muslims the world over are calling for jihad against Danish cartoons but keeping quiet on Muslim women being subjected to mass sterilisation and arbitrary detainment.


Muslims haven't kept quiet on the Uighurs, they have come out in defence of China because they see Western propaganda - that suddenly pretends to care about Muslims - for the bullshit it is. Muslim authorities have visited the province this so-called genocide is happening and have spoken positively of the great advancesthe Chinese government has made there.

Muslims around the world know who the enemy is - the one repeatedly bombing and otherwise destroying Muslim countries - and it's not the Chinese government, sorry, that shit can be eaten up in the West by people who learned nothing by WMD claims, but many Muslim states have very good relations with China and many Muslim people have no beef with the Chinese.
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skinster wrote:All the one-liner dopes remain ever-interesting. :lol:


Considering that your main view is just being anti-Western, I don't see how your ideas on the matter have any relevance here. You simply support any and all groups that are against the West irrelevant of what they stand for or what they do. :hmm:
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skinster wrote:China that was part of the cause of the re-education/de-radicalisation schools, which have since been closed.


Citation needed. Please show evidence that China has now closed the re-education camps inside where she detains and sterilises Uyghurs without cause or trial.

skinster wrote:Muslims around the world know who the enemy is


I know, it's that Danish guy, some French teachers, European people in suburbia but not a dictatorial regime that detains and sterilises Muslims just for being Muslims, without trial. Priorities are priorities.
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I'm not usually in the habit of discrediting the messenger (not noemon, the 'legal document' and its government affiliated propagators) but I can't let this fly by uncontested because the rat is out of the bag:

Mainstream western media peddling muslim brotherhood creation in force: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ark-report

Why its bunk:
https://chollima.org/exclusive-anti-xin ... terrorism/

This organization which is now doing the mainstream rounds is located in the same county as the CIA HQ, has only employed 100 persons since 1998, also located in county with figureheads abroad courtesy of the MB, is repd by a MB guy who's org has been convicted of islamic terrorism across the middle east, and the sad little display goes on.

Whole lot of money moving around Fairfax attached to his name: https://cis.org/North/Two-Universities- ... -Attention

Extra Funny, it's the same vehicle that last week reported Canadian gov saying these things: "Canada's parliament declares China's treatment of Uighurs 'genocide'" See this thread for reference.

The same government that hires Stratfor.

It's almost like all these things are connected or something

The icing on the cake surely is this however, courtesy of a former US intelligence agency employee, see ref in image:

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And this is the smelly poop on the cake:

Download the report, scroll to the sources page, and who do we see? Dr. Adrian Zenz!

If you go through the report Zenz is sourced around 40 times, radio free asia is around 20, and ASPI only 3 times. Also if you go to some of the other sources, they end up using Zenz as a source as well.

This is 100% a CIA product. The fact western media peddles it so readily is telling. No such thing as free media here. Never was.
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@Igor Antunov

This sounds like paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories you are talking Igor about how somehow, there is a conspiracy by the CIA around every corner where the U.S. is somehow secretly responsible for all the evil around the world when in fact, there is no CIA conspiracy at all and the U.S. is not responsible for all the evil that happens around the world. China is responsible for it's own actions just like any other nation. China's actions are responsible only to China. Nobody else.
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tomskunk wrote:@Igor Antunov

This sounds like paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories you are talking Igor about how somehow, there is a conspiracy by the CIA around every corner where the U.S. is somehow secretly responsible for all the evil around the world when in fact, there is no CIA conspiracy at all and the U.S. is not responsible for all the evil that happens around the world. China is responsible for it's own actions just like any other nation. China's actions are responsible only to China. Nobody else.


Right right, nothing to see here, move along folks. These proven to be CIA affiliated stories with no proof only allegations are 100% legit let's discuss how chynah bad...

All signs point to the tried and true...

By establishing a baseline lie and painting the enemy as a monster, atrocity propaganda serves as an intelligence function, since it wastes the time and resources of the enemy's counterintelligence services to defend itself. Atrocity propaganda can either be white, gray, or black. Atrocity propaganda is often white, as it makes no attempt to hide its source and is overt in nature. The propagandists' goal is to influence perceptions, attitudes, opinions, and policies; often targeting officials at all levels of government.


Nah people are waking up. Not buying it. This is the same fake news factory that brought you babies dying in incubators, wmd's, viagra for rape, etc. The same think tanks and government departments just keep popping up time and again.

Here it is: there is no genocide, there never was because there has never been a shred of evidence outside of allegations by biased parties. The only meaningful figures we can tally point to a growth of the population and rapid economic betterment. The hapless US regime is stoking unrest in a strategic rival. Just like how vietnam didn't attack us ships, saddam wasn't snuffing babies in incubators, there was never any anthrax, gaddafis troops werent raping rebel women after taking viagra. Oh wow how easy was that?

Except this time the target is too big. Hard swallowing the red scare again, given that information flows both ways so rapidly. Ooops.
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Yes yes nothing to see here, ignore all this, just too inconvenient is all, only shills post actual points and question the unsubstantiated narrative:

Newlines Institute for Strategy and Policy founder and president is Ahmed Alwani and he is the Vice President at International Institute of Islamic Thought.

International Institute of Islamic Thought: https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org ... als-fails/
International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), one of the earliest founded U.S. Muslim Brotherhood organizations, which was linked to a post-9/11 federal investigation into terrorism fundraising, and which has supplied much of the ideological material for U.S. Islamist groups since its founding in the early 1980s

Muslim Brotherhood’s International Institute for Islamic Thought—one of the most dangerous and subversive groups around


A lot of sources from this think tanks report is based from Adrian "led by God against Beijing" Zenz, his articles and derivatives of his articles. Adrian Zenz can't read or write even simple Chinese or in the Ugyhur language. And Adrian Zenz has been proven to be a liar on many times regarding many of his reports on Xinjiang.

Reasons Western media keep coming out with these trumped-up and/or disinformation reports, which are sourced mostly from Dr Adrian Zenz, a senior fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation in Washington:

Here is WHY:


Former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell and retired Army Colonel, Lawrence B. Wilkerson, on Xinjiang.



Here is HOW: https://i.redd.it/hsidz37t5f461.png

USA's NED has funded Uyghur groups since 2004


Here are some results from those NED fundings:

Terrorism in Xinjiang:


Terrorism in Xinjiang 2:


Terrorism in Beijing:


2014 Kunming terrorists attack:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

Here are how some of these news media supporting the narrative.

There are about 12 millions Uyghurs in China.

And according to western news/reports:

[First: ~1 million Uyghurs imprisoned]

According to Quartz.com's research on the figure given out by USA funded organization:

CHRD, based in Hong Kong and Washington DC, interviewed dozens of Uyghur people in Xinjiang. Interviewees gave estimates of how many people—ranging from 8% to 20%—were being detained in their towns. It averaged out to 12% and CHRD bumped the percentage down to 10% for a conservative estimate, ultimately giving them 1.1 million Uyghur Muslims imprisoned.

https://qz.com/1599393/how-researchers- ... -xinjiang/

Adrian "led by God against Beijing" Zenz asked a few villagers to estimate what percentage of people they think have been detained in their village and then Adrian used that percentage to linearly extrapolate to the whole population(~11 million) of uyghurs in xinjiang

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/21/chin ... esearcher/

[Then: ~3 million Uyghurs imprisoned]

China putting minority Muslims in 'concentration camps,' U.S. says: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1S925K

“The (Chinese) Communist Party is using the security forces for mass imprisonment of Chinese Muslims in concentration camps,” Schriver told a Pentagon briefing during a broader discussion about China’s military, estimating that the number of detained Muslims could be “closer to 3 million citizens.”


And now it is about 3 million according to USA.

[And now: ~9 million Uyghurs imprisoned]

‘Death is Everywhere’ Millions More Uyghurs Missing

CJ Werleman reports on evidence that up to nine million Uyghurs are unaccounted for and allegations that the Chinese authorities plan to kill, incarcerate or convert the whole of the minority population

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/08/24/deat ... s-missing/

And now 9 millions out of 11 millions Uyghurs are detained/jailed.

Soon, there will be 13 millions out of 11 millions Uyghurs imprisoned.

Here are the type of confession from so-called Uyghur prisoners for western medias

Ever Changing Story from Sayragul Sauytbay

2018: She said she didn't personally see any violence.

2019: Now she said she personally witnessed medical procedures and human experiment done on trainees.

2019: Now she said she saw prisoners hung on walls and were tortured and electrocuted.

2019: And now she remember trainees were getting gang raped.

Sources:
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I bet she will continue to remember more horrific stuff as she gets more money to tell her tales: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev_vBSHXcAU ... ame=medium

Here is how USA military deals with Uyghur terrorists:

USA bombs Uyghur terrorists in Afghanistan


Xinjiang people/individuals that represents Uyghurs vs Western people/individuals that represents Uyghurs(1) and (2):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvTYvykVoAE ... ame=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvcIF4WUYAE ... me=900x900


Eradicating Saudi Arabia's Wahhabism: 1989 Uyghur women vs 2020 Uyghur women:
1) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er3PGNcVEAA ... name=large
2) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er3PGNbVoAI ... name=large

Also many international institutions have gone to Xinjiang on fact finding missions.

The U.N. have visited Xinjiang on fact finding mission over the objection by USA and some other countries: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKCN1TH00T

​The World Bank have visited Xinjiang didn't find any facts substantiated the allegations of forced labors and genocide: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhK7mQUXcAA ... me=900x900

And

In 2019, The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, which representing 57 Muslim countries, sent investigators to Xinjiang, China—they toured the vocation centres the US calls ‘concentration camps’ & found no abuses/genocide:

And this think-tank report, like the one that gives this thread its namesake, based mostly on information and articles(and derivatives of it) from Adrian Zenz's.

What we have here is definitive proof that China has been ERADICATING, GENOCIDing and MURDERING WAHHABISM and EXTREMISM in Xinjiang! OH the humanity. Things sure have changed since the 80's in Xinjiang. Such a shame, no more extremists to arm and fund.
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Rancid wrote:I guess an approach to reach so called national harmony is to basically try and create a monoculture by killing all other cultures.


Is that the motive?

This seems to be the missing factor in the case against China. There seems to be no plausible reason for the Chinese government to target this group for genocide.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Is that the motive?

This seems to be the missing factor in the case against China. There seems to be no plausible reason for the Chinese government to target this group for genocide.




'Eradicating extremism' is the reason provided by China. Same justification used by every genocidal regime in the history of the world.

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China's goal is to assimilate Uighurs and it isn't shy about using coercion to do so according to an analysis by Chinese academics.

The Chinese government denies accusations of forced labour and labour transfers in Xinjiang, saying work programmes are a voluntary element of its poverty alleviation goals. However, the Nankai report said the labour transfers were also a long-term measure that “not only reduces Uighur population density in Xinjiang, but also is an important method to influence, melt, and assimilate Uighur minorities.”

“Let them gradually change their thinking and understanding, and transform their values and outlook on life through a change of environment and through labour work,” the report said.


Apparently Beijing had to bolster the Uighur's image for them to be accepted in other provinces.

It also appeared to suggest the authorities have gone too far in their crackdown, and that the demonisation of Uighurs had resulted in some local and provincial authorities refusing to accept workers from Xinjiang on “security grounds”. This situation was a “serious obstacle” to the country’s goals, it said.

Uighurs who had “participated in riots” were a minority, and all have been admitted to education and training centres – what Chinese authorities call the network of detention camps. “The entire Uighur population should not be assumed to be rioters,” it said. “This is very detrimental to the long term stability of Xinjiang.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... rt-reveals
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I guess what I am asking is why China wants to assimilate Uighurs.

Canada is currently doing to its Indigenous people the same things that China is being accused of. In Canada’s case, the reason for this is economic: the state wants the land and resources, and the Indigenous people are a direct threat to that.

Do the Uighurs represent a similar threat to China’s economics?
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Pants-of-dog wrote:This seems to be the missing factor in the case against China. There seems to be no plausible reason for the Chinese government to target this group for genocide.


Generally speaking. They do in fact have the goal of harmonizing the country through sameness and by developing a monoculture. This is precisely why they are cracking down on Hong Kong (the epicenter of the cantonese culture and langauge which my wife belongs to). They've banned Cantonese school books to try and force Mandarin down everyone's throats for example. They are requiring some schools to teach in mandarin first, etc. etc. Basically, they are trying hard to minimize that language. They have pushed for mandarin speakers to move in to try and dilute the Cantonese culture. So yes, they most certainly have a goal to push out or even crush the different cultures within China. To the CCP, if everyone is the same, then its easier to control the population. In fact, they like to point to the west's experiment/embrace of multiculturalism as reasons why China needs to consolidate its cultures and limit immigration. "See all of that protesting, looting, rioting, police beatings, general turmoil, etc. etc.?" That's bad, and it's because there are many different people in the west. If we unite around a single culture/langage, we will all be safer." shit like that.

Meanwhile, my kids go to public school in the US and take 50% of their courses in Spanish. 8)

West > CCP
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^ There's 56 ethnicities in China.



A thread on the 'Uighur genocide' narrative.

Igor Antunov wrote:If you go through the report Zenz is sourced around 40 times, radio free asia is around 20, and ASPI only 3 times. Also if you go to some of the other sources, they end up using Zenz as a source as well.


Speaking of him...


This is 100% a CIA product. The fact western media peddles it so readily is telling. No such thing as free media here. Never was.


One example here of CIA involvement (they call themselves the National Endowment for Democracy nowadays).

It's weird how people can be fooled over and over again and think posting British state propaganda via the BBC is in any way enlightening. It's been repeatedly ignored for what should be obvious reasons. May as well post MEMRI on evidence for anything, ffs. :lol:

On a related note: ‘Forced labor’ stories on China brought to you by US gov, NATO, arms industry to drive Cold War PR blitz
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