Pants-of-dog wrote:It is a historical fact that many of the founding fathers, such as Jefferson, owned slaves.
Slavery is a very good example of depriving others of life and liberty.
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Right, that makes much more sense, especially since we know that Jefferson and his ilk were knowledgeable about history and politics.
You're kidding, right? Be honest. Since biblical times people have owned slaves and there doesn't seem to be anything people can point to that says the practice is immoral in and of itself. Did Jefferson practice slavery? Yep.
Let's talk about you for a moment. Do you pay the income tax? Are you aware that the 16th Amendment was never legally ratified; that it was intended to be a temporary tax; that it is a plank out of the Communist Manifesto? Are you a communist? You go along to get along and you work within the legal parameters that law and society provide for. Thomas Jefferson inherited slaves. He got some of them when his father died and he got more of them when he married the daughter of a slave trader. The fact is Jefferson owned more slaves than virtually any other American. Yet in 1787 Jefferson wrote:
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This abomination must have an end..." Thomas Jefferson to Edward Rutledge, 14 July 1787,” Founders Online, National Archives, last modified February 1, 2018,
http://founders.archives.gov/documents/ ... 11-02-0506What did liberals think Jefferson could do? He could kick the slaves out into a country where they would not be able to become self sustaining. Then, maybe the local constabularies might come along and arrest him, sell the slaves, put Jefferson in prison on some charge of abandoning his slaves, mistreating them, endangering society, or whatever charge that might have existed. He worked within the system, just as you do every day, and he made the best of a bad situation. I'd bet dollars against doughnuts you have some simplistic response here, but from personal experience:
My wife has a son through a previous marriage. He's determined not to work. He would literally lay in the streets and starve to death before he would work. He has been on his deathbed in the hospital and he still won't get out and get a job. My wife paid all his bills until she was facing bankruptcy and she uses marital blackmail to force me to let that POS stay in my home. And I can't "
kick him out." I'm not even supposed to get in a altercation with him. That would be domestic violence and I'd lose my
constitutional privileges (we have no Rights). I, like Jefferson, make the best of a bad situation and I work toward making that situation better.
Now, let me be just as realistic as I can with you. In Jefferson's day, slaves were property. Jefferson was heavily leveraged against his property and owed his creditors a buttload of money. He couldn't get rid of his property. The law of the day wouldn't allow it. Are you really aware of what the men who signed the Declaration of Independence were trying to accomplish?
I find it appalling that people try to use the slavery card when they will walk into a store and buy goods that are made by slaves in communist countries in conditions far worse than slaves in America EVER had it. You have the opportunity to work around it. But, no, most of you shop at places like Walmart... and Walmart was found guilty of
knowingly hiring undocumented workers. You go to Walmart because it's cheaper. How is that any less egregious than owning a slave? You're enabling the practice, so come off that high horse, remove that halo and let's have a serious conversation here.