- 18 Nov 2019 16:23
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Thank you for your interest in this thread, SSDR.
Few excerpts: A totalitarian world government, namely a Technocracy, is being created today. There's no guarantee that communism will be implemented. Capitalism as a noospheric operating system is responsible for great technological development. Socialism and communism missed the boat, humanity is rapidly entering a stage of civilization that has given up collective sovereignty to data/information processors. Advances in technology inevitably lead to more control and less personal autonomy. This can be summed up by the adage- “you can't manage what you can't measure.” The very nature of scientific development is to quantify physical systems so we can better manage phenomena.
Programming (the modification of perception) is as old as human language (oral and written) and perhaps as old as the human experience (a moment in the Ouroboros endo-exo-vibration when humanity learned how to adapt to things from the natural environment through trial and error and mimesis). Wild human behavior has been hunted by communicative survival strategies or ethos-programs for centuries. I'm not sure how human thought compiles or projects its potential for amalgamous concentrations of synchronous perceptions, but it is certainly a thing to be studied or least considered when we analyze the activities (and perhaps functions) of human consciousness. Nevertheless, for better or worse, It has been the subliminal goal (unspoken creed) of the tribe and modern society to modify the individual for the pursuit of group-oriented POWER. The nature of power dynamics depend on the circulation and diffusion of energy systems. These energy systems are made up of raw materials/components which have been refined by the human capacity for cognitive-physiological pattern recognition and used to reshape our experience of reality and the expression of human organization (milieu). All technologies have played a role in the reshaping of human organization. From the Promethean flame to electric circuitry (and everything in-between, stone-bronze-iron-steel, reinterpreted input/output signals), energy systems have rewired societal nervous systems (how a group behaves or communicates collectively). A more recent (r)evolution occurred when Norbert Wiener established the field of cybernetics. A marriage of electronic processors and the great triumph of the industrial era mindset or compartmentalization of thought and action (behavior), gave rise to the cybernetic communication (feedback)loop. This technological loop is a selective augmentation that found a way to piggyback the figure-ground interplay of the mind-matter interface (the resonant interval of human perception).
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The environment will eventually become a human technology, and when it does, it will require constant maintenance, because the whole of it will be an engineering problem. My point- Intelligent systems, namely societal networks, as they evolve (extension of the self-propagating nature of consciousness), become more complex. Complexity as a systems characteristic places limits on human behavior and the idea of freedom. Furthermore, as we simplify operations through automation, lessen the workload and shift the workflow away from human input/output, automation imposes restrictions on free-will, which ultimately limits the idea of individual autonomy. Once we exit Earth and enter a man-made environment, our survival depends on the technological support systems we've created for space travel. These new conditions create a totalitarian environment, because there will be little room for erroneous behavior. In a way, It will resemble military life, and most activities will be influenced by the group or team you're living with.
Moreover, you may have trouble seeing the world as I describe it. Sorry.
Thank you for your precious time and attention, for it is fleeting and snowballing simultaneously.
Be seeing you,
-RT
SSDR wrote:Scientific process that is a step closer to economic socialism.I find your statement to be an inaccurate assumption and I offer you a different interpretation of what is happening on planet Earth. Over in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=176082 I discuss at length implications of the scientific process. We should keep in mind, science is apolitical.
Few excerpts: A totalitarian world government, namely a Technocracy, is being created today. There's no guarantee that communism will be implemented. Capitalism as a noospheric operating system is responsible for great technological development. Socialism and communism missed the boat, humanity is rapidly entering a stage of civilization that has given up collective sovereignty to data/information processors. Advances in technology inevitably lead to more control and less personal autonomy. This can be summed up by the adage- “you can't manage what you can't measure.” The very nature of scientific development is to quantify physical systems so we can better manage phenomena.
Programming (the modification of perception) is as old as human language (oral and written) and perhaps as old as the human experience (a moment in the Ouroboros endo-exo-vibration when humanity learned how to adapt to things from the natural environment through trial and error and mimesis). Wild human behavior has been hunted by communicative survival strategies or ethos-programs for centuries. I'm not sure how human thought compiles or projects its potential for amalgamous concentrations of synchronous perceptions, but it is certainly a thing to be studied or least considered when we analyze the activities (and perhaps functions) of human consciousness. Nevertheless, for better or worse, It has been the subliminal goal (unspoken creed) of the tribe and modern society to modify the individual for the pursuit of group-oriented POWER. The nature of power dynamics depend on the circulation and diffusion of energy systems. These energy systems are made up of raw materials/components which have been refined by the human capacity for cognitive-physiological pattern recognition and used to reshape our experience of reality and the expression of human organization (milieu). All technologies have played a role in the reshaping of human organization. From the Promethean flame to electric circuitry (and everything in-between, stone-bronze-iron-steel, reinterpreted input/output signals), energy systems have rewired societal nervous systems (how a group behaves or communicates collectively). A more recent (r)evolution occurred when Norbert Wiener established the field of cybernetics. A marriage of electronic processors and the great triumph of the industrial era mindset or compartmentalization of thought and action (behavior), gave rise to the cybernetic communication (feedback)loop. This technological loop is a selective augmentation that found a way to piggyback the figure-ground interplay of the mind-matter interface (the resonant interval of human perception).
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The environment will eventually become a human technology, and when it does, it will require constant maintenance, because the whole of it will be an engineering problem. My point- Intelligent systems, namely societal networks, as they evolve (extension of the self-propagating nature of consciousness), become more complex. Complexity as a systems characteristic places limits on human behavior and the idea of freedom. Furthermore, as we simplify operations through automation, lessen the workload and shift the workflow away from human input/output, automation imposes restrictions on free-will, which ultimately limits the idea of individual autonomy. Once we exit Earth and enter a man-made environment, our survival depends on the technological support systems we've created for space travel. These new conditions create a totalitarian environment, because there will be little room for erroneous behavior. In a way, It will resemble military life, and most activities will be influenced by the group or team you're living with.
Not an "Empire," but more of a global, unified "Nation" that by older terms to understand, is purely "international."Perhaps you're looking at the technocratic zeitgeist as a material system rather than a symptom or expression of thought in action. Empire is merely a state of mind, a nation is a psychological and cultural gestalt. Consciousness is an international (well, primordial) force, fragmented by environmental media (material vibrations, even space-time for instance), and technology is trying to put Humpty Dumpty (crown of the crowd, from which the egg of innovation incubates) back together. Which could happen, if a society of humans end up in an engineered container of information (static environment, or socially engineered group dynamics). However, it's unlikely because biology mutates, and consciousness is always trying to solve problems it created.
It is a possibility that future wars will either be fought by non human technologies and robots, or wars will cease to exist due to the whole world being unified.Perhaps human competition will persist off planet. A living economy (instantaneous transactions and realtime representation of energy... No delay) merges with biological circumstance. Remember, technology is just an extension of man's inherent nature. Technology is nature being nurtured by a mind that is in a feedback loop with material inputs/outputs. There's no separation between consciousness and technology, all technologies are projections and prosthetics of the human sensorium.
If it does not defend the personal privacy of people, and has no regulations to protect individual privacy for each person, then unfortunately yes.For the scientific process to prosper, research must be transparent, therefore all data must be collected. Privacy is a research barrier.
It is a technological possibility. However, I personally do not support this since automobile traffic movements are unpredictable, and driving environments constantly change.Great, but noospheric motion is like the ocean, it doesn't favor one boat's orientation.
If reproduction rates are not controlled. Automated robots, automated assembly production, and technologically advanced methods of agriculture can help provide benefits for elderly population, and the disabled of whom have no offspring, or not enough offspring to provide benefits for them.Curious, does nature have a credit limit? Is developmental evolution in debt? Does extinction payoff?
I disagree. Ecological crisis will not be caused by excessive pollution since eco friendly industry will evolve via inventions and scientific progress.We'll see. Scientific progress is the redistribution of evolutionary forces. Humans never invent, only discover.
Moreover, you may have trouble seeing the world as I describe it. Sorry.
I disagree. This existed since the beginnings of humanity via people disliking each other due to biological and eugenic racial differences. An example are sub Saharan Africans hating racially white, Germans or Italians.I disagree with my own statement today. See, the noosphere is always shifting as it sifts through its disposition. Remember, being present is an information bias.
I disagree. Such actions will make humans extinct. If a global, nuclear war will not start like a World War 3 between the Soviet Union and the United States due to the results of a global nuclear war making humans extinct and damaging the Earth, then there is no possibility that humans will choose to battle non human, man-made machinery/robots.Depends upon which newsreel, er noosreel you watch.
Yes. This will help full fill each individual's personal desires.This will transmute reality and rob people of autonomous thought. Slave to desire.
Maybe.
Communism will be the final political and economic phase of humanity.It's a very old concept, so I doubt it. Thought recycles and reorganizes itself.
There is a technological possibility. I desire for this to Never happen. If this happens, humans will be fully controlled, having no personal privacy.In the name of science, AMEN.
Yes, and this will be very helpful to people.Wealthy people.
People usually confine to ideologies that are taught to them via media. This has been happening for decades. For example, in the United States in the 1950's, their television media manipulated their masses to go against socialism.Yes, information environments influence reality.
I disagree.Why? We're a post-literate society.
This has been happening for centuries. Organized religion is an example of this.Organized ideas create organized groups. Dogma is as dogma does. Political fervor operates the same way as religion.
Communism will be the final phase of humanity.Yevgeny Zamyatin — 'There is no final one; revolutions are infinite.'
I disagree. How to think is more critical, and intelligent then to only think what to think.Machines will think for society. Machinima culture.
Yes. This will be very useful since advanced, intelligent AI can psychologically help the humans they are interpreting, and can help determine what production will be done to give the maximum satisfaction for their interpreted humans.Filtered thought will be curtailed thought, thus the lack of free thought.
Thank you for your precious time and attention, for it is fleeting and snowballing simultaneously.
Be seeing you,
-RT
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"So much joy I cry, so much pain I laugh."
The ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr.
Remember, you need more than one note to make beautiful music.
Love is the missing link!