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#15208449
Unthinking Majority wrote:No, Ali was telling Dick that white people were so much more violent ...

Ali's obviously scripted rant isn't comparative. He simply mentions that the USA was created by violent atrocities.

It is Dick Cavett who decides to chime in with "ethnics are bad too - we're all genocidal materialists."

And Cavett's "defense" of the genocidal society that gave him such a great job, is less convincing in 2022 than it was when he got away with saying it.

You arguments against Ali's scripted rant... seem to belong in 1970.

Lies are like that: because they were never true, they tend to have no real expiry date.
#15208500
QatzelOk wrote:Ali's obviously scripted rant isn't comparative. He simply mentions that the USA was created by violent atrocities.

It is Dick Cavett who decides to chime in with "ethnics are bad too - we're all genocidal materialists."

And Cavett's "defense" of the genocidal society that gave him such a great job, is less convincing in 2022 than it was when he got away with saying it.

You arguments against Ali's scripted rant... seem to belong in 1970.

Lies are like that: because they were never true, they tend to have no real expiry date.

I'm not defending Dick's comments. Ali had great points. I agreed with him up until Dick got defensive, but then Ali shot back at Dick with some racist nonsense. Maybe 2 racists sparring is what we're seeing here. Ali wanted to win, he is a boxer after all.
#15209281
Unthinking Majority wrote:...Ali had great points. I agreed with him up until Dick got defensive, but then Ali shot back at Dick with some racist nonsense.

That might have marked the point where Ali went "off script" and tried to improvise.

Something that many media viewers fail to see is that, even many of their inspirational anti-establishment heroes... are reading a script written by a rich insider.

When actors and actresses "release" political opinions, they are often scripted as well. Fake in other words.

Lies.

By watching commercial media, we all learn to lie every minute of our lives.
#15209343
Scamp wrote:11. Multiculturalism and diversity are the greatest thing ever, and we should embrace that.

Ask the Native American Indians how that worked out for them.

Or the people of West Africa, with all those international soldiers visiting them. Or Haiti.

Or the Middle East, and all those international soldiers visiting them.

One big unhappy family, managed by oligarch patriarchs who prefer to rule over skeleton men. That is the current human condition. And it's all held together by lies.

Perhaps lies have been "necessary" ever since the first technology was invented.
#15209357
QatzelOk wrote:That might have marked the point where Ali went "off script" and tried to improvise.

Something that many media viewers fail to see is that, even many of their inspirational anti-establishment heroes... are reading a script written by a rich insider.

When actors and actresses "release" political opinions, they are often scripted as well. Fake in other words.

Lies.

By watching commercial media, we all learn to lie every minute of our lives.

What is the evidence for any of these claims?
#15209399
Unthinking Majority wrote:What is the evidence for any of these claims?

That Ali appears to go off-script is obvious in the change in his voice and facial expression.

You need to watch the video to notice this, but it is very noticable.

The Presidency, by Glen P. Hastedt, p 159 wrote:
1. the movement toward war or the use of military force is characterized as the product of careful deliberation;
2. a narrative of events is provided that justifi es the military action being taken;
3. the importance of unanimity and total commitment is impressed upon the audience;
4. an effort is made not only to justify the use of force but to legitimize the assumption of broad presidential powers, including those of commander-in-chief; and
5. the war rhetoric contains misrepresentations of fact that are used to strengthen and legiti-mize the president’s actions.


Above is a list of characteristics of presidential war justifications. When a president wants a war, he tends to use the rhetorical strategies above, according to the author.

Note that I have bolded all the words that suggest "lies." Number 5 and its mention of "misrepresentations of fact" is particulary succinct for this thread.

MISREPRESENTATIONS OF FACT is just orwellian for "lies."

Hastedt later concludes that this rhetoric is effective (the lies work) because:

Presidents are able to capitalize on the American public’s selective and partial reading of history


Perhaps Americans have a "selective and partial" reading of history because this history is selected and intentionally partial. Selected + Partial = Lies
#15209501
14. You can't/shouldn't try to butter both sides of the toast.

This is the most nonsensical lie of them all.

Why can one not butter two sides of a piece of toast? That expression makes absolutely no sense at all. You butter one side, turn it over, and butter the other. You might get a little butter on your thumb and index fingers, but both sides of the toast will be buttered, and you can either lick your fingers or use a rag or a napkin.

This is the most insidious lie of them all.
#15209606
Crantag wrote:What do you think of this contribution?

12. Things can only get better.

This marketing strategy is usually based on the Progress myth.

The consumer is told to consume harmful products because these new products - despite the harm they cause - help bring humanity ever closer to a state of Heaven on Earth.

This was said about computers, cars, suburbia, nuclear weapons, fast food, menthol cigarettes, sewing machines, and lead-based makeup products.

Closer-to-heaven-on-earthTM is the MAIN PITCH for most new products. The reason for this is that their "miracle-ness" helps their promoters to avoid the need for testing before being commercialized on a wide scale. The harm that these miracle products eventually cause... opens the door for new miracle products to "cure" the effects of the last cure. And so on. We are drowning in many generations of cures that make life betterTM.

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"No time to test... we got progress over here!"
#15209619
QatzelOk wrote:This marketing strategy is usually based on the Progress myth.

The consumer is told to consume harmful products because these new products - despite the harm they cause - help bring humanity ever closer to a state of Heaven on Earth.

This was said about computers, cars, suburbia, nuclear weapons, fast food, menthol cigarettes, sewing machines, and lead-based makeup products.

Closer-to-heaven-on-earthTM is the MAIN PITCH for most new products. The reason for this is that their "miracle-ness" helps their promoters to avoid the need for testing before being commercialized on a wide scale. The harm that these miracle products eventually cause... opens the door for new miracle products to "cure" the effects of the last cure. And so on. We are drowning in many generations of cures that make life betterTM.

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"No time to test... we got progress over here!"

I remember one really noxious moment years ago when I was listening to NPR. They were interviewing some marketing douche bag about some or another recently newish 'consumer 'good''. It could've been 'smart phones' or something or could've been who knows what.

He basically said just that. "What we need to do is tell people that this is going to make your life better." I remember he said it with an air of feigned sincerity. I remember after all these years due to how stupid he sounded.
#15209708
Crantag wrote:"What we need to do is tell people that this is going to make your life better."

An even better strategy is to tell potential consumers that their current life really sucks. And that they should feel like losers for possessing so few things.

This strategy is engaged by filling movies and series with characters that are wealthier than the audience.

The audience learns to "be-friend" the rich characters in these shows, and this makes the viewer feel inadequate - which then creates fear.

This FEAR can only be mitigated by buying the product(s) that were presented in the media product.

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